Baker considers Nevin in LF

[jmajew]

We are 14 games back right now. We need to pick up 5 games a month for the rest of the season. That is possible. It is not very likely but it is possible. In order to win the wild card we have to make up 4 games a month. When you look at things a little bit at a time they seem a bit more possible.

 

Where is the harm in waiting 2 more weeks? Someone please tell me that. Will those 2 weeks cause Murton to stink for the rest of his career? Its not like i'm saying to bench him for the entire season. When the Cubs no longer have a chance, say we are still 12 and 14 games out at the allstar break then you put back in murton. But of the cubs are 10 and 11. Wait two more weeks. IF we fall back to 12 and 14 then put in Murton. But for two weeks, assuming we still play horribly, it is not the end of the world.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

We are 14 games back right now. We need to pick up 5 games a month for the rest of the season. That is possible. It is not very likely but it is possible. In order to win the wild card we have to make up 4 games a month. When you look at things a little bit at a time they seem a bit more possible.

 

Where is the harm in waiting 2 more weeks? Someone please tell me that. Will those 2 weeks cause Murton to stink for the rest of his career? Its not like i'm saying to bench him for the entire season. When the Cubs no longer have a chance, say we are still 12 and 14 games out at the allstar break then you put back in murton. But of the cubs are 10 and 11. Wait two more weeks. IF we fall back to 12 and 14 then put in Murton. But for two weeks, assuming we still play horribly, it is not the end of the world.

 

We have the third worst record in all of baseball. We stink. While it is possible for the Cubs to play better, it's ridiculous to assume that the other teams in the league will play bad enough for the Cubs to pass them.

[jmajew]

We are 14 games back right now. We need to pick up 5 games a month for the rest of the season. That is possible. It is not very likely but it is possible. In order to win the wild card we have to make up 4 games a month. When you look at things a little bit at a time they seem a bit more possible.

 

Where is the harm in waiting 2 more weeks? Someone please tell me that. Will those 2 weeks cause Murton to stink for the rest of his career? Its not like i'm saying to bench him for the entire season. When the Cubs no longer have a chance, say we are still 12 and 14 games out at the allstar break then you put back in murton. But of the cubs are 10 and 11. Wait two more weeks. IF we fall back to 12 and 14 then put in Murton. But for two weeks, assuming we still play horribly, it is not the end of the world.

 

We have the third worst record in all of baseball. We stink. While it is possible for the Cubs to play better, it's ridiculous to assume that the other teams in the league will play bad enough for the Cubs to pass them.

 

I have never said it was going to happen. I'm just saying it is possible teams have done it before. I assume the Cubs will continue to stink, but that is only an assumption, sometimes they can be wrong. Hence the reason they are not called facts.

 

I also assume Hendry will resign Baker. And I definitely hope that assumption is not right.

[Careless]

We are 14 games back right now. We need to pick up 5 games a month for the rest of the season. That is possible. It is not very likely but it is possible. In order to win the wild card we have to make up 4 games a month. When you look at things a little bit at a time they seem a bit more possible.

 

Where is the harm in waiting 2 more weeks? Someone please tell me that. Will those 2 weeks cause Murton to stink for the rest of his career? Its not like i'm saying to bench him for the entire season. When the Cubs no longer have a chance, say we are still 12 and 14 games out at the allstar break then you put back in murton. But of the cubs are 10 and 11. Wait two more weeks. IF we fall back to 12 and 14 then put in Murton. But for two weeks, assuming we still play horribly, it is not the end of the world.

 

We have the third worst record in all of baseball. We stink. While it is possible for the Cubs to play better, it's ridiculous to assume that the other teams in the league will play bad enough for the Cubs to pass them.

 

I have never said it was going to happen. I'm just saying it is possible teams have done it before. I assume the Cubs will continue to stink, but that is only an assumption, sometimes they can be wrong. Hence the reason they are not called facts.

 

I also assume Hendry will resign Baker. And I definitely hope that assumption is not right.

The harm: loss of trade value. Lost development potential of young players. When was the last time a team in 15th place at the end of june made the playoffs? I'm going to guess "never" (partially because 15th place isn't that old a position) Has it ever happened 5th to first in a 5 team division? doubt it

[Fro]

Boston Braves say hi

[Careless]

Boston Braves say hi

In the last year of their existence (1952), there were 8 teams in a league. (I don't know what year you're talking about, so that's what I used)

[abuck1220]

We are 14 games back right now. We need to pick up 5 games a month for the rest of the season. That is possible. It is not very likely but it is possible. In order to win the wild card we have to make up 4 games a month. When you look at things a little bit at a time they seem a bit more possible.

 

Where is the harm in waiting 2 more weeks? Someone please tell me that. Will those 2 weeks cause Murton to stink for the rest of his career? Its not like i'm saying to bench him for the entire season. When the Cubs no longer have a chance, say we are still 12 and 14 games out at the allstar break then you put back in murton. But of the cubs are 10 and 11. Wait two more weeks. IF we fall back to 12 and 14 then put in Murton. But for two weeks, assuming we still play horribly, it is not the end of the world.

 

We have the third worst record in all of baseball. We stink. While it is possible for the Cubs to play better, it's ridiculous to assume that the other teams in the league will play bad enough for the Cubs to pass them.

 

I have never said it was going to happen. I'm just saying it is possible teams have done it before. I assume the Cubs will continue to stink, but that is only an assumption, sometimes they can be wrong. Hence the reason they are not called facts.

 

 

for example?

[Fro]

Boston Braves say hi

In the last year of their existence (1952), there were 8 teams in a league. (I don't know what year you're talking about, so that's what I used)

 

Last I checked, we're only in a 6 team division. And the Braves were further behind when they turned it around than we are (and won the league by 10 games).

[abuck1220]

Boston Braves say hi

In the last year of their existence (1952), there were 8 teams in a league. (I don't know what year you're talking about, so that's what I used)

 

Last I checked, we're only in a 6 team division. And the Braves were further behind when they turned it around than we are (and won the league by 10 games).

 

in the time that has passed since the braves apparently did this, do you realize how many teams have been this far behind and not come back to win the division? like a billion.

[Careless]

Boston Braves say hi

In the last year of their existence (1952), there were 8 teams in a league. (I don't know what year you're talking about, so that's what I used)

 

Last I checked, we're only in a 6 team division. And the Braves were further behind when they turned it around than we are (and won the league by 10 games).

Huge difference between being the #15 team and the #8 team or whatever they were (just what were they, anyway? what year?). They're at a flatter part of the curve.

Edit: and 1914??? There have been literally thousands of team-seasons played since then

Further edit: and they were only 11 games below .500 at worst

[oldcubsfan]

BP's fielding metrics have Murton well above average in LF, probably gold glove caliber. BTF has Murton above average but middle of the pack overall. No matter how you slice it he's not a hack.

I guess BP doesn't actually watch games.

 

BP isn't the greatest, but they're at least as good as any of our hazy recollections. Again, he's not a hack by any stretch.

If BP said he is gold glove caliber, then I will state they have never watched a game. No one else in the world would say he is gold glove caliber. I think he has a fine future, but he is slumping and until he gets some success he will compund the slump. Sitting for a while is a good thing, not a bad thing.

Back to BP, how can you honestly give credibility to a publication that says he is gold glove caliber?

[Transmogrified Tiger]

BP's fielding metrics have Murton well above average in LF, probably gold glove caliber. BTF has Murton above average but middle of the pack overall. No matter how you slice it he's not a hack.

I guess BP doesn't actually watch games.

 

BP isn't the greatest, but they're at least as good as any of our hazy recollections. Again, he's not a hack by any stretch.

 

If BP said he is gold glove caliber, then I will state they have never watched a game. No one else in the world would say he is gold glove caliber. I think he has a fine future, but he is slumping and until he gets some success he will compund the slump. Sitting for a while is a good thing, not a bad thing.

Back to BP, how can you honestly give credibility to a publication that says he is gold glove caliber?

 

You need to read closely. According to BP's fielding statistics, Murton is doing very well defensively. Having referenced it multiple times, I concluded that a rate of 117 would probably rank him among the top left fielders, aka gold glove caliber. It's not based off anything BP said, just the metric that they provide. And again, I've already said that BP isn't a great measure, but it's not so poor as to completely disregard, especially when it finds something contrary to what we think it should be. I think PMR from Baseball Musings is much better, as is the BTF(that ranked Murton middle of the pack defensively, not a hindrance to the defense) link I provided before. Hyperbole railing against BP isn't going to help anything, no matter how excited you were to find something from them you found ridiculous.

[sethuel1]

BP's fielding metrics have Murton well above average in LF, probably gold glove caliber. BTF has Murton above average but middle of the pack overall. No matter how you slice it he's not a hack.

I guess BP doesn't actually watch games.

 

BP isn't the greatest, but they're at least as good as any of our hazy recollections. Again, he's not a hack by any stretch.

 

If BP said he is gold glove caliber, then I will state they have never watched a game. No one else in the world would say he is gold glove caliber. I think he has a fine future, but he is slumping and until he gets some success he will compund the slump. Sitting for a while is a good thing, not a bad thing.

Back to BP, how can you honestly give credibility to a publication that says he is gold glove caliber?

 

You need to read closely. According to BP's fielding statistics, Murton is doing very well defensively. Having referenced it multiple times, I concluded that a rate of 117 would probably rank him among the top left fielders, aka gold glove caliber. It's not based off anything BP said, just the metric that they provide. And again, I've already said that BP isn't a great measure, but it's not so poor as to completely disregard, especially when it finds something contrary to what we think it should be. I think PMR from Baseball Musings is much better, as is the BTF(that ranked Murton middle of the pack defensively, not a hindrance to the defense) link I provided before. Hyperbole railing against BP isn't going to help anything, no matter how excited you were to find something from them you found ridiculous.

 

C'mon man. Numbers...abbreviations...links to other websites with more statistics...what is THAT crap?

[Magnetic Curses]

BP's fielding metrics have Murton well above average in LF, probably gold glove caliber. BTF has Murton above average but middle of the pack overall. No matter how you slice it he's not a hack.

I guess BP doesn't actually watch games.

 

BP isn't the greatest, but they're at least as good as any of our hazy recollections. Again, he's not a hack by any stretch.

 

but i swear i saw him boot a routine single to left, letting like 8 runners score once! he must be terrible.

 

there's a difference between "watching games" and listening to every stupid "insight" the anouncers throw out.

 

even len is getting bad.

[goonys evil twin]

The funny thing about throwing Nevin into LF against the lhp, with Jones starting as well, is that Murton has much better numbers against LHP than both of those guys. Baker not only hurts the team's future by screwing over a kid who needs to get through his early struggles, but he's hurting the team's current chances by sitting the best active player against that type of pitcher.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

I think it's funny when people get drunk and post here. Cubs suck.

[MembersOnlyJacket]

The funny thing about throwing Nevin into LF against the lhp, with Jones starting as well, is that Murton has much better numbers against LHP than both of those guys. Baker not only hurts the team's future by screwing over a kid who needs to get through his early struggles, but he's hurting the team's current chances by sitting the best active player against that type of pitcher.

 

Don't tell Dusty that. He's more powerful than we know!

[Irrelevant Dude]

The funny thing about throwing Nevin into LF against the lhp, with Jones starting as well, is that Murton has much better numbers against LHP than both of those guys. Baker not only hurts the team's future by screwing over a kid who needs to get through his early struggles, but he's hurting the team's current chances by sitting the best active player against that type of pitcher.

 

Don't tell Dusty that. He's more powerful than we know!

So you caught that quote too huh? I couldn't help but laugh out loud at that one.

[CuseCubFan69]

The funny thing about throwing Nevin into LF against the lhp, with Jones starting as well, is that Murton has much better numbers against LHP than both of those guys. Baker not only hurts the team's future by screwing over a kid who needs to get through his early struggles, but he's hurting the team's current chances by sitting the best active player against that type of pitcher.

 

Don't tell Dusty that. He's more powerful than we know!

So you caught that quote too huh? I couldn't help but laugh out loud at that one.

 

These are the reasons he needs the horses.

[A New Era]

you have to understand, Baker is fighting for his job. We would love to have the team play lots of younger players as our season is over, But Baker doesn't care about next year, only saving his job and playing the old guys. I expect Neffi to play SS and 2nd base at the same time to sit Cedeno, and Nevin play Left. Slappy in CF and No baseball skills Jones in RF. Roush to come off the DL and start twice a week, Sit all those young pitchers on the bench and tell everyone it's their fault Baker is such a bad Manager.

 

And Baker thinks this would help him keep his job, . . how?

[RegulusBlue]

At least his bat knocks in runs.

 

Oh boy, the old standby statistic of RBI. Man, dude, what a great stat there, dude. You really get some good offensive facts on a guy based on RBI dude.

 

Sickening.