baker continues to blame the kids

[NorthsideAvenger]

In his own mind, I think Dusty is including Murton and Cedeno with the dreaded rookies.

 

Anyone with less than 7 years playing experience is a rookie to this guy. Be a man and don't blame them Baker will you?

 

Oh yeah Baker, explain how Florida is doing so much better than the Cubs too while you're at it?

 

Coward.

 

Or how about the Dodgers (with a similar payroll situations, and injuries) with 7 rookies?

[srbin84]

Murton, Cedeno, Hill and the rookies that have played for the Cubs this year have not played well, so I can't blame him for being frustrated with that, but he should spread around the blame and include himself in that. I think Walker, Jones and Barrett are the only starters who have carried their own weight (include Nevin/Lee though they haven't played much). Eyre and Howry are the only guys on the pitching staff who is having a good season. It's a bad team all the way around.

[CuseCubFan69]

In his own mind, I think Dusty is including Murton and Cedeno with the dreaded rookies.

 

Anyone with less than 7 years playing experience is a rookie to this guy. Be a man and don't blame them Baker will you?

 

Oh yeah Baker, explain how Florida is doing so much better than the Cubs too while you're at it?

 

Coward.

 

Or how about the Dodgers (with a similar payroll situations, and injuries) with 7 rookies?

 

It's amazing how all the evidence is building up against Baker but yet the jury is rigged.

[srbin84]

In his own mind, I think Dusty is including Murton and Cedeno with the dreaded rookies.

 

Anyone with less than 7 years playing experience is a rookie to this guy. Be a man and don't blame them Baker will you?

 

Oh yeah Baker, explain how Florida is doing so much better than the Cubs too while you're at it?

 

Coward.

 

Or how about the Dodgers (with a similar payroll situations, and injuries) with 7 rookies?

 

It's amazing how all the evidence is building up against Baker but yet the jury is rigged.

 

I know a lot of people like to see the young guys play, but we don't have players like the Dodgers. Name one rookie or second year player having a good season.

[CuseCubFan69]

In his own mind, I think Dusty is including Murton and Cedeno with the dreaded rookies.

 

Anyone with less than 7 years playing experience is a rookie to this guy. Be a man and don't blame them Baker will you?

 

Oh yeah Baker, explain how Florida is doing so much better than the Cubs too while you're at it?

 

Coward.

 

Or how about the Dodgers (with a similar payroll situations, and injuries) with 7 rookies?

 

It's amazing how all the evidence is building up against Baker but yet the jury is rigged.

 

I know a lot of people like to see the young guys play, but we don't have players like the Dodgers. Name one rookie or second year player having a good season.

 

Since there are only 0 everyday rookies on the team I'd say none unless Cedeno is considered a rookie then I would say he's doing his part to help the team. Murton is having a below last year type season but again, they are the only young guys on this everyday roster. I think the rookies that have split the 4/5 spots in the rotation have done their part, not outstanding but decent.

 

Baker just can not handle pressure and is too thin skinned to except blame. The guys he seems to love to play so much are the ones that are killing him.

[srbin84]

In his own mind, I think Dusty is including Murton and Cedeno with the dreaded rookies.

 

Anyone with less than 7 years playing experience is a rookie to this guy. Be a man and don't blame them Baker will you?

 

Oh yeah Baker, explain how Florida is doing so much better than the Cubs too while you're at it?

 

Coward.

 

Or how about the Dodgers (with a similar payroll situations, and injuries) with 7 rookies?

 

It's amazing how all the evidence is building up against Baker but yet the jury is rigged.

 

I know a lot of people like to see the young guys play, but we don't have players like the Dodgers. Name one rookie or second year player having a good season.

 

Since there are only 0 everyday rookies on the team I'd say none unless Cedeno is considered a rookie then I would say he's doing his part to help the team. Murton is having a below last year type season but again, they are the only young guys on this everyday roster. I think the rookies that have split the 4/5 spots in the rotation have done their part, not outstanding but decent.

 

Baker just can not handle pressure and is too thin skinned to except blame. The guys he seems to love to play so much are the ones that are killing him.

 

Cedeno's OBP is too low for me to say he is doing well. The defense was bad early but has improved. I like him, but I can't say he is having a good season by major league standards. The young guys in the rotation have to have an ERA in the 6's. I don't think that is very good.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Baker needs to go. His excuses alone show that he isn't the right man for the job.

[frostwyrm]

Joe Girardi has a $15 million roster of 2 stars and a bunch of unknowns and his team is 5 games up on the Cubs. Does Girardi bitch about not having "his" team?

[goonys evil twin]

Cedeno's OBP is too low for me to say he is doing well. The defense was bad early but has improved. I like him, but I can't say he is having a good season by major league standards. The young guys in the rotation have to have an ERA in the 6's. I don't think that is very good.

 

Rookies don't have to be hitting .300/.350/.475 to contribute to the team. Good teams should be able to fit a less than spectaculiar young hitter or two into a lineup without a problem. The problem with the Cubs is their veterans aren't any good, so people expect the kids to make up the difference. That's not how it should work.

[A New Era]

Joe Girardi has a $15 million roster of 2 stars and a bunch of unknowns and his team is 5 games up on the Cubs. Does Girardi bitch about not having "his" team?

 

No, and I think we all remember who we wanted to get as Manager this offseason.

[CuseCubFan69]

Since there are only 0 everyday rookies on the team I'd say none unless Cedeno is considered a rookie then I would say he's doing his part to help the team. Murton is having a below last year type season but again, they are the only young guys on this everyday roster. I think the rookies that have split the 4/5 spots in the rotation have done their part, not outstanding but decent.

 

Baker just can not handle pressure and is too thin skinned to except blame. The guys he seems to love to play so much are the ones that are killing him.

 

 

Cedeno's OBP is too low for me to say he is doing well. The defense was bad early but has improved. I like him, but I can't say he is having a good season by major league standards. The young guys in the rotation have to have an ERA in the 6's. I don't think that is very good.

 

I'm happy with Cedeno and expect him to keep improving. I watched Marshall throw well yesterday and saw vets look like they never played baseball before on defense. Marshall kept the ball in the park and no one helped him. If the vets did their job the rookies would be just helping where they could and not HAVE to be the guys to count on. Baker is suppose to be the end all when it comes to getting vets to play better and he is not getting any production out of these guys. Now he has to blame Cedeno, Murton and the young pitchers.....amazing.

[Fred Hornkohl]

Does it really matter who's hitting and who isn't ?? The fact is nobody's hitting !! That's how we are able to put up team numbers like this.......

 

04/03 - 06/25      AB    R    H   2b   3b   HR   TB  RBI   BB   SO     BA    OBP    SLG    OPS
CUBS             2515  293  653  109   19   61  983  274  173  377  0.260  0.310  0.391  0.700

 

And ya know what else ?? Nobody's pitching either !!

 

04/03 - 06/25        IP    H    R   ER   BB    K   HR  BB/9   K/9  HR/9  WHIP   ERA
CUBS              649.7  623  378  352  309  536   97  4.28  7.43  1.34  1.43  4.88

 

Blow the whole damned thing up, and start over !!

[CuseCubFan69]

Does it really matter who's hitting and who isn't ?? The fact is nobody's hitting !! That's how we are able to put up team numbers like this.......

 

04/03 - 06/25      AB    R    H   2b   3b   HR   TB  RBI   BB   SO     BA    OBP    SLG    OPS
CUBS             2515  293  653  109   19   61  983  274  173  377  0.260  0.310  0.391  0.700

 

And ya know what else ?? Nobody's pitching either !!

 

04/03 - 06/25        IP    H    R   ER   BB    K   HR  BB/9   K/9  HR/9  WHIP   ERA
CUBS              649.7  623  378  352  309  536   97  4.28  7.43  1.34  1.43  4.88

 

Blow the whole damned thing up, and start over !!

 

But you have to blow it up from the top or else all is moot. Baker and his staff HAVE to go at the very very least.

[Fred Hornkohl]

 

Blow the whole damned thing up, and start over !!

 

But you have to blow it up from the top or else all is moot. Baker and his staff HAVE to go at the very very least.

 

What'd I say ???

[A New Era]

 

Blow the whole damned thing up, and start over !!

 

But you have to blow it up from the top or else all is moot. Baker and his staff HAVE to go at the very very least.

 

What'd I say ???

 

He's just hoping hendry is reading this. :wink:

[srbin84]

Cedeno's OBP is too low for me to say he is doing well. The defense was bad early but has improved. I like him, but I can't say he is having a good season by major league standards. The young guys in the rotation have to have an ERA in the 6's. I don't think that is very good.

 

Rookies don't have to be hitting .300/.350/.475 to contribute to the team. Good teams should be able to fit a less than spectaculiar young hitter or two into a lineup without a problem. The problem with the Cubs is their veterans aren't any good, so people expect the kids to make up the difference. That's not how it should work.

 

That's fine, but nobody should be saying any of these guys are playing well because they're not. You could say say Marshall and Cedeno are doing ok for their first full season in the big leagues at best. It's hard to ignore the fact the perfomance of the young players has been a major contribution to the team record. I think that's all Baker was trying to say.

[Fred Hornkohl]

Come on. Is there anybody here that deserves to be on the all star team ?

 

04/03 - 06/25      AB    R    H   2B   3B   HR   TB  RBI   BB   SO     BA    OBP    SLG    OPS
Lee                48   11   15    4    0    3   28   10   12    9  0.313  0.435  0.583  1.019
Nevin              64    9   18    2    0    6   38   11    4   13  0.281  0.324  0.594  0.917
Barrett           195   26   61    9    3    8  100   30   19   22  0.313  0.374  0.513  0.887
Jones             241   28   69   11    0   13  119   36   10   48  0.286  0.318  0.494  0.811
Ramirez           269   34   67   16    1   13  124   41   20   24  0.249  0.308  0.461  0.769
Walker            235   30   68   11    1    3   90   32   30   21  0.289  0.364  0.383  0.747
Womack             50    5   15    1    0    1   19    2    4    4  0.300  0.352  0.380  0.732
Bynum              73    9   19    0    3    2   31    6    2   24  0.260  0.289  0.425  0.714
Murton            224   32   61    7    1    4   82   21   22   36  0.272  0.341  0.366  0.707
Blanco             81    8   19    4    0    3   32   15    6   10  0.235  0.284  0.395  0.679
Cedeno            260   24   71    8    5    2   95   20    9   44  0.273  0.296  0.365  0.662
Pierre            310   37   77   12    4    0   97   11   15   24  0.248  0.294  0.313  0.607
Pagan              19    2    5    1    0    0    6    1    0    4  0.263  0.263  0.316  0.579
Mabry              85    6   18    3    0    1   24    4    9   19  0.212  0.295  0.282  0.577
Perez             137   16   31    6    1    1   42   16    3   12  0.226  0.239  0.307  0.546
Hairston           82    8   17    3    0    0   20    4    4   14  0.207  0.253  0.244  0.497
Restovich          12    0    2    1    0    0    3    1    1    4  0.167  0.231  0.250  0.481
Theriot             4    1    0    0    0    0    0    0    1    1  0.000  0.200  0.000  0.200

CUBS             2515  293  653  104   19   61  978  273  173  375  0.260  0.310  0.389  0.699

 

04/03 - 06/25        IP    H    R   ER   BB    K   HR    PC  BB/9   K/9  HR/9  WHIP   ERA
Eyre               36.7   28   11    9   18   39    4   636  4.42  9.57  0.98  1.25  2.21
Zambrano          105.0   72   36   33   60  104   11  1785  5.14  8.91  0.94  1.26  2.83
Howry              34.7   34   13   12    8   31    4   608  2.08  8.05  1.04  1.21  3.12
Wood               19.7   19   13    9    8   13    5   317  3.66  5.95  2.29  1.37  4.12
Williamson         21.3   17   11   10   14   27    0   360  5.91 11.39  0.00  1.45  4.22
Ohman              33.3   29   16   16   13   32    3   511  3.51  8.64  0.81  1.26  4.32
Dempster           33.3   29   18   17   13   31    2   541  3.51  8.37  0.54  1.26  4.59
Maddux             91.3  101   50   49   19   49    8  1266  1.87  4.83  0.79  1.31  4.83
Novoa              35.0   33   23   19   20   26    8   640  5.14  6.69  2.06  1.51  4.89
Marmol             21.7   18   12   12    9   20    3   360  3.74  8.31  1.25  1.25  4.98
Marshall           80.7   76   47   46   39   53    9  1306  4.35  5.91  1.00  1.43  5.13
Guzman             25.3   24   18   16   20   29    2   505  7.11 10.30  0.71  1.74  5.68
Aardsma            17.3   17   13   12   14   12    4   380  7.27  6.23  2.08  1.79  6.23
Willliams          12.3   15   12   10   11    5    2   233  8.03  3.65  1.46  2.11  7.30
Rusch              47.3   57   43   41   20   43   17   947  3.80  8.18  3.23  1.63  7.80
Hill               19.3   23   20   20   15   11    5   344  6.98  5.12  2.33  1.97  9.31
Prior               9.3   15   11   10    2    6    4   179  1.93  5.79  3.86  1.82  9.64
Wuertz              3.7    8    4    4    3    4    2   111  7.36  9.82  4.91  3.00  9.82
Ryu                 2.3    8    7    7    2    2    4    55  7.71  7.71 15.43  4.29 27.00

CUBS              649.7  623  378  352  308  537   97 11084  4.27  7.44  1.34  1.43  4.88

 

Barrett ? Maybe. Zambrano ? Maybe. Not a whole lot there to chose from, is there ?

[Ding Dong Johnson]

I'd say Barrett and Zambrano both deserve a nod. Barrett's put up some pretty good numbers, and Zambrano's numbers look amazingly good considering the rough start he had.

[A New Era]

Cedeno's OBP is too low for me to say he is doing well. The defense was bad early but has improved. I like him, but I can't say he is having a good season by major league standards. The young guys in the rotation have to have an ERA in the 6's. I don't think that is very good.

 

Rookies don't have to be hitting .300/.350/.475 to contribute to the team. Good teams should be able to fit a less than spectaculiar young hitter or two into a lineup without a problem. The problem with the Cubs is their veterans aren't any good, so people expect the kids to make up the difference. That's not how it should work.

 

That's fine, but nobody should be saying any of these guys are playing well because they're not. You could say say Marshall and Cedeno are doing ok for their first full season in the big leagues at best. It's hard to ignore the fact the perfomance of the young players has been a major contribution to the team record. I think that's all Baker was trying to say.

 

Nothing Baker ever says is good, and he never deserves any credit or excuse on ANY minor thing he says. He's terrible, plain and simple. And he's earned all the heat and mocking he is getting.

[Chocolate Milk]

I'd say Barrett and Zambrano both deserve a nod. Barrett's put up some pretty good numbers, and Zambrano's numbers look amazingly good considering the rough start he had.

 

Barrett and Zambrano should be on it.

[goonys evil twin]

It's hard to ignore the fact the perfomance of the young players has been a major contribution to the team record. I think that's all Baker was trying to say.

 

I highly doubt that. Baker is blaming his team's failings on the kids, which in his mind will be the legitimate reason not to play kids in the future. He will look back at the time he did play them and they let him down, point that out to his critics and go from there. Dusty isn't saying the kid's struggles have contributed to the team struggles, he's said the kids are the reason for the team's struggles. He's got crap veterans playing like crap and they keep getting props for giving it their all, but the kids get called out repeatedly for not doing the job. It's quintessential Baker, make excuses for the losses, push the blame away from himself, and humiliate young players all at once.

[srbin84]

I'd say Barrett and Zambrano both deserve a nod. Barrett's put up some pretty good numbers, and Zambrano's numbers look amazingly good considering the rough start he had.

 

Z for sure. Like I said a month ago, Ross and McCann are more worthy than Barrett. Barrett makes it as the third catcher so long as neither Ausmus nor Martin are selected.

[srbin84]

It's hard to ignore the fact the perfomance of the young players has been a major contribution to the team record. I think that's all Baker was trying to say.

 

I highly doubt that. Baker is blaming his team's failings on the kids, which in his mind will be the legitimate reason not to play kids in the future. He will look back at the time he did play them and they let him down, point that out to his critics and go from there. Dusty isn't saying the kid's struggles have contributed to the team struggles, he's said the kids are the reason for the team's struggles. He's got crap veterans playing like crap and they keep getting props for giving it their all, but the kids get called out repeatedly for not doing the job. It's quintessential Baker, make excuses for the losses, push the blame away from himself, and humiliate young players all at once.

 

I know Baker's history, but I'm still going to hold the young players accountable because they are either not that good or should be playing better. There are bigger problems, yes, but this is one of them. Baker should be taking blame too, and he isn't, and he is wrong for that.

[goonys evil twin]

I know Baker's history, but I'm still going to hold the young players accountable because they are either not that good or should be playing better. There are bigger problems, yes, but this is one of them. Baker should be taking blame too, and he isn't, and he is wrong for that.

 

Fine, but the fact remains it's silly to expect similar production out of a $350,000 kid and $5 million vets, and it's absurd to point the blame for team failure on the kids when so many vets have failed.

[srbin84]

I know Baker's history, but I'm still going to hold the young players accountable because they are either not that good or should be playing better. There are bigger problems, yes, but this is one of them. Baker should be taking blame too, and he isn't, and he is wrong for that.

 

Fine, but the fact remains it's silly to expect similar production out of a $350,000 kid and $5 million vets, and it's absurd to point the blame for team failure on the kids when so many vets have failed.

 

Agreed, but I think a lot of our vets are overpaid. I'm not going to hold them to the standards their contracts set. I blame Hendry for that. Certain guys are just flat out underachieving (Ramirez, Prior, Wood, Pierre). Others are doing as good as they can do but are getting paid too much to do it, so it looks worse (Jones, Perez, Rusch).