6/8 Cubs (Rusch) @ Reds (Arroyo) 6:10 p.m. CT on WGN

[Mizzou]

Why the hell is Glendon Rusch starting? Stupid. Just stupid.

 

Who do you have in mind?

Hill, Guzman, Marmol, me, you. Seriously, Glendon sucks and everyone knows that he sucks. While Hill has sucked at the major league level, there's the chance that he might pitch well. Gooz might pitch well. Marmol might pitch well. With Glendon, you know what you're getting - a crappy pitcher. It's stupid to trot him out there instead of a pitcher that hasn't proven to be a bad starter.

 

Marmol is pitching Sunday and Hill and Guzman can't make it out of the 3rd inning. Glendon last start was very good vs. the Cards. He's your only choice.

Um, very good? He gave up 3 runs in 5 innings. That's not very good. That's not good. That's not average. That's bad.

 

Marmol is pitching Sunday? I hadn't heard that, where did you see that?

 

EDIT: And I don't disagree with you on Hill - he has been horrible in the bulk of his starts. But, he still hasn't really had too much of an opportunity. Rusch has had what, 10 years of opportunities to prove himself? While I think that people WAY overrate Hill, I'd much rather see him start than Rusch.

 

Marmol is taking Wood's spot on Sunday. Look at today Suntimes and Trib. Hill and Guzman can't pitch stikes and against the Reds they won't make it out of the first couple of innings.

And Rusch will? Glendon has given up 8 earned runs in 9 innings against the Reds this year. Why exactly do you want him starting against them again?

[Banedon]

Marmol MAY pitch Sunday if Wood is bumped. But he hasn't been yet. Nonetheless, they are probably saving him for that.

 

 

Wood is not going to start on Sunday you can book it. The guy is seeing a the doctor about his arm as we speak. Murmol will start on Sunday.

 

Meanwhile, at least putting Hill or Guzman out there helps develop them. I'd rather see Hill give up 3 runs in 5 innings than Rusch.

 

 

Except Hill won't give up 3 runs in 5 innings. He'll give up 6 runs in 2 innings.

 

You know a lot. Do you have tonights lottery numbers?

[C.C.]

You know a lot. Do you have tonights lottery numbers?

 

2-5-22-56-8

 

Anything else?

[C.C.]

And Rusch will? Glendon has given up 8 earned runs in 9 innings against the Reds this year. Why exactly do you want him starting against them again

 

I don't want Rusch starting tonight, but again who else do we have? What do we do Bring up Hill for another walk filled start and send him back down? I mean what choice do we have...

[goonys evil twin]

And Rusch will? Glendon has given up 8 earned runs in 9 innings against the Reds this year. Why exactly do you want him starting against them again?

 

Bias against young players. A crappy veteran can be crappy as much as he wants and people will always want him starting over a kid who might struggle.

[Banedon]

And Rusch will? Glendon has given up 8 earned runs in 9 innings against the Reds this year. Why exactly do you want him starting against them again

 

I don't want Rusch starting tonight, but again who else do we have? What do we do Bring up Hill for another walk filled start and send him back down? I mean what choice do we have...

 

Do you honestly not see how a young kid with potential struggling is different from a crappy veteran struggling for the umpteenth time?

[goonys evil twin]

And Rusch will? Glendon has given up 8 earned runs in 9 innings against the Reds this year. Why exactly do you want him starting against them again

 

I don't want Rusch starting tonight, but again who else do we have? What do we do Bring up Hill for another walk filled start and send him back down? I mean what choice do we have...

 

You have the choice of calling up the kids and actually giving them a chance to work through struggles. It's pretty simple really. Rusch is not the only option.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Gooooz/Marmol/Ryu giving up 6 runs in 4 innings >>>>> Rusch giving up 6 runs in 4 innings

 

Chances are, they're going to improve after doing it.

[Mizzou]

And Rusch will? Glendon has given up 8 earned runs in 9 innings against the Reds this year. Why exactly do you want him starting against them again

 

I don't want Rusch starting tonight, but again who else do we have? What do we do Bring up Hill for another walk filled start and send him back down? I mean what choice do we have...

What choice do we have? I just listed several options. You're acting as if Rusch is the only guy the Cubs can have start tonight. Rusch sucks at baseball and he's proven that again this year. He shouldn't be starting.

[BeerHere]

Over/under on Arroyo homers off Rusch?

 

My pick: eleventy

 

Discuss

[C.C.]

And Rusch will? Glendon has given up 8 earned runs in 9 innings against the Reds this year. Why exactly do you want him starting against them again

 

I don't want Rusch starting tonight, but again who else do we have? What do we do Bring up Hill for another walk filled start and send him back down? I mean what choice do we have...

 

You have the choice of calling up the kids and actually giving them a chance to work through struggles. It's pretty simple really. Rusch is not the only option.

 

I agree with Kids working through struggles. I have no problem with that and welcome that. I mean what ML pitcher hasn't struggled comming up through the system, but I can't tolorate a pitcher who can't even get the ball over the plate. It's really not worth the argument.

[C.C.]

And Rusch will? Glendon has given up 8 earned runs in 9 innings against the Reds this year. Why exactly do you want him starting against them again

 

I don't want Rusch starting tonight, but again who else do we have? What do we do Bring up Hill for another walk filled start and send him back down? I mean what choice do we have...

What choice do we have? I just listed several options. You're acting as if Rusch is the only guy the Cubs can have start tonight. Rusch sucks at baseball and he's proven that again this year. He shouldn't be starting.

 

You haven't listed options. Hill just started Sunday and would be pitching on 4 days rest. Marmol just Pitched Tuesday and we are going to need him on Sunday. Gooz needs another year of just pitching the ball in the minors. So again there is no choice besides Rusch.

[Mizzou]

And Rusch will? Glendon has given up 8 earned runs in 9 innings against the Reds this year. Why exactly do you want him starting against them again

 

I don't want Rusch starting tonight, but again who else do we have? What do we do Bring up Hill for another walk filled start and send him back down? I mean what choice do we have...

What choice do we have? I just listed several options. You're acting as if Rusch is the only guy the Cubs can have start tonight. Rusch sucks at baseball and he's proven that again this year. He shouldn't be starting.

 

You haven't listed options. Hill just started Sunday and would be pitching on 4 days rest. Marmol just Pitched Tuesday and we are going to need him on Sunday. Gooz needs another year of just pitching the ball in the minors. So again there is no choice besides Rusch.

...Williams, Ryu, etc. Please stop pretending like Rusch is the only option. It's just ignorant.

[Big Fergie J]

The Reds are hot right now.

 

The CUBS, unfortunately, are not.

 

This has all the makings of a long series for us.

 

That's all.

[C.C.]

And Rusch will? Glendon has given up 8 earned runs in 9 innings against the Reds this year. Why exactly do you want him starting against them again

 

I don't want Rusch starting tonight, but again who else do we have? What do we do Bring up Hill for another walk filled start and send him back down? I mean what choice do we have...

What choice do we have? I just listed several options. You're acting as if Rusch is the only guy the Cubs can have start tonight. Rusch sucks at baseball and he's proven that again this year. He shouldn't be starting.

 

You haven't listed options. Hill just started Sunday and would be pitching on 4 days rest. Marmol just Pitched Tuesday and we are going to need him on Sunday. Gooz needs another year of just pitching the ball in the minors. So again there is no choice besides Rusch.

...Williams, Ryu, etc. Please stop pretending like Rusch is the only option. It's just ignorant.

 

Williams, Ryu etc...These aren't options! Look, I can't stand Rusch but I haven't seen anything that would lead me to believe that any of the pitchers you listed can do any better. It's not being ignorant, just realistic, as sad as that might be.

[C.C.]

The Reds are hot right now.

 

The CUBS, unfortunately, are not.

 

This has all the makings of a long series for us.

 

That's all.

 

Or the Cubs get our hopes up and have a good series. You never know with this team, but they one thing you can count on is they'll let you down when it counts. Sheez....What a depressing year!

[BeerHere]

t-minus 7 hours until gametime, and already tempers seem to be high.

 

 

8-[

[BeerHere]

The Reds are hot right now.

 

The CUBS, unfortunately, are not.

 

This has all the makings of a long series for us.

 

That's all.

 

What a depressing year!

 

Seconded

 

And it's barely June

[Banedon]

Williams, Ryu etc...These aren't options! Look, I can't stand Rusch but I haven't seen anything that would lead me to believe that any of the pitchers you listed can do any better. It's not being ignorant, just realistic, as sad as that might be.

 

Actually, they are. They just aren't the options you would choose. And that's fine. I disagree strongly, but that's fine. But don't say they aren't options, because it's flat out not true.

[Mizzou]

And Rusch will? Glendon has given up 8 earned runs in 9 innings against the Reds this year. Why exactly do you want him starting against them again

 

I don't want Rusch starting tonight, but again who else do we have? What do we do Bring up Hill for another walk filled start and send him back down? I mean what choice do we have...

What choice do we have? I just listed several options. You're acting as if Rusch is the only guy the Cubs can have start tonight. Rusch sucks at baseball and he's proven that again this year. He shouldn't be starting.

 

You haven't listed options. Hill just started Sunday and would be pitching on 4 days rest. Marmol just Pitched Tuesday and we are going to need him on Sunday. Gooz needs another year of just pitching the ball in the minors. So again there is no choice besides Rusch.

...Williams, Ryu, etc. Please stop pretending like Rusch is the only option. It's just ignorant.

 

Williams, Ryu etc...These aren't options! Look, I can't stand Rusch but I haven't seen anything that would lead me to believe that any of the pitchers you listed can do any better. It's not being ignorant, just realistic, as sad as that might be.

Exactly, you haven't seen it because they havne't been given the opportunity. Am I saying that any of those pitchers will absolutely be better than Rusch? No. Is there a good possibility that one of them will be? Yes. With our season in shambles, what's the point in going with the veteran who sucks rather than going with a kid who has good stuff and has pitched well in the minors?

[goonys evil twin]

I agree with Kids working through struggles. I have no problem with that and welcome that. I mean what ML pitcher hasn't struggled comming up through the system, but I can't tolorate a pitcher who can't even get the ball over the plate. It's really not worth the argument.

 

Struggling with control is part of the struggles of a young pitcher.

 

It's not worth the argument because you haven't made a lick of sense if you insistence that Rusch is the only option.

[C.C.]

I agree with Kids working through struggles. I have no problem with that and welcome that. I mean what ML pitcher hasn't struggled comming up through the system, but I can't tolorate a pitcher who can't even get the ball over the plate. It's really not worth the argument.

 

Struggling with control is part of the struggles of a young pitcher.

 

It's not worth the argument because you haven't made a lick of sense if you insistence that Rusch is the only option.

 

Again, if we had a pitcher in the Minors that is clearly ready for the show then by all means bring him up! But we don't and here we are...

[jkrapfl]

I agree with Kids working through struggles. I have no problem with that and welcome that. I mean what ML pitcher hasn't struggled comming up through the system, but I can't tolorate a pitcher who can't even get the ball over the plate. It's really not worth the argument.

 

Struggling with control is part of the struggles of a young pitcher.

 

It's not worth the argument because you haven't made a lick of sense if you insistence that Rusch is the only option.

 

Again, if we had a pitcher in the Minors that is clearly ready for the show then by all means bring him up! But we don't and here we are...

 

How do you determine if a pitcher is ready for the show? Hill has dominated in AAA. Wouldn't that indicate he's ready for the show or at least ready to get a chance to show what he can do?

[Banedon]

I agree with Kids working through struggles. I have no problem with that and welcome that. I mean what ML pitcher hasn't struggled comming up through the system, but I can't tolorate a pitcher who can't even get the ball over the plate. It's really not worth the argument.

 

Struggling with control is part of the struggles of a young pitcher.

 

It's not worth the argument because you haven't made a lick of sense if you insistence that Rusch is the only option.

 

Again, if we had a pitcher in the Minors that is clearly ready for the show then by all means bring him up! But we don't and here we are...

 

How do you determine if a pitcher is ready for the show? Hill has dominated in AAA. Wouldn't that indicate he's ready for the show or at least ready to get a chance to show what he can do?

 

Better yet, is there any circumstance, ever, in which Hill would get another chance to pitch in the big leagues by your standards cubbiechris?

[Ding Dong Johnson]

I agree with Kids working through struggles. I have no problem with that and welcome that. I mean what ML pitcher hasn't struggled comming up through the system, but I can't tolorate a pitcher who can't even get the ball over the plate. It's really not worth the argument.

 

Struggling with control is part of the struggles of a young pitcher.

 

It's not worth the argument because you haven't made a lick of sense if you insistence that Rusch is the only option.

 

Again, if we had a pitcher in the Minors that is clearly ready for the show then by all means bring him up! But we don't and here we are...

 

But you're advocating giving Rusch another shot -- the same shot he's failed at for 9 years. They're all higher ceiling pitchers than Fat Glen and almost all will perform the same or better if given the chance. Difference is, they are going to get better. Glendon is wasting a roster spot.