Jason Grimsley admits to steroids

[TruffleShuffle]

[aimless fingerpointing] But then again, Grimsley and Nelson did pitch together, and Nelson seemed awfully pissed off, so Nelson was probably one of the guys named [/aimless fingerpointing] :lol:

 

Jeff Nelson? It looked like he used the McDonald's drive-thru more than he used roids.

[CubfaninCA]

iirc they said they were getting the hgh out of mexico. no wonder giles stayed in sd. easy access :)

 

giambi must load up when he returns home to socal during the offseason.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

listening to these idiots on BBTN it's like they feel bad for the players he ratted out...as if those players are innocent parties or something. i have a hard time having sympathy for those guys.

 

they also seem to be acting like they just heard of HGH today.

 

The problem with HGH is that the body produces it naturally and at different levels in different people and at different levels at different times of day. Testing for it is pretty complicated.

 

artificially produced HGH (i.e. the HGH that is prescribed) can be detected independently from natural HGH due to different modifications added to the amino acids during the production process.

 

Sounds made up.

 

Sounds like I'm actually a scientist.

 

An eye scientist.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

WADA is sponsoring several labs, including one at UCLA, to come up with better HGH tests.

 

Yay UCLA! Soon to be busting big league baseball players!

[texascub]

WADA is sponsoring several labs, including one at UCLA, to come up with better HGH tests.

 

Yay UCLA! Soon to be busting big league baseball players!

 

And shortly thereafter publish ways to beat the test.

[CubbieRich]

The players were told that their identities for the 2003 tests were protected by a random numbering system. Looks like MLB lied and linked the test to the specific player. If I'm Bud, I'd be booking my flights and rooms to Washington. Since this happened in Arizona, guess who will be calling for hearings.

[Banedon]

Looks like MLB lied and linked the test to the specific player.

 

How do you figure? Where did you read anything that indicated that? Grimsley named names that he knew did HGH from association. The government was the one that tracked this shipment to his house. I'm not sure where you come up with your conclusion.

[CubbieRich]

Looks like MLB lied and linked the test to the specific player.

 

How do you figure? Where did you read anything that indicated that? Grimsley named names that he knew did HGH from association. The government was the one that tracked this shipment to his house. I'm not sure where you come up with your conclusion.

 

I figure from the story on BP.

 

I’m following the Jason Grimsley situation. It looks like the entire 2003 list, in the hands of IRS investigators, is going to be checked. If so, the Mitchell investigation will be moot. The biggest worries at this stage are the continued use of performance-enhancers like HGH for the future and the release of the names that, by agreement, should have not been trackable. The list of nearly 100 names (warning: PDF link) caught in 2003 has been in Federal hands, but Grimsley’s statement, in which he named well over 20 teams and team-related drug sources is pure dynamite, and sure to leak in a non-redacted form very soon. Within baseball, the guessing game of which names are blacked out is already in full effect, largely because many are easily connected to Grimsley and because there are some big, juicy names.

 

It was my understanding that the tests were conducted in such a way that no connection was made between a specific player and his particular test. I hope this clears it up.

[Banedon]

Looks like MLB lied and linked the test to the specific player.

 

How do you figure? Where did you read anything that indicated that? Grimsley named names that he knew did HGH from association. The government was the one that tracked this shipment to his house. I'm not sure where you come up with your conclusion.

 

I figure from the story on BP.

 

I hadn't read that...thanks.

 

I still have a hard time coming up with a lot of sympathy for the players that did this though... :P

[RynoRules]

Those guys on BBTN are dumb. When Feds with large weapons holstered to their hips show up at your front door, what the ehck should you do? This isn't the Mob. Grimsley's former teamates aren't going to pay to take care of his family while he's on the inside.

[Banedon]

Wow...the plot thickens:

 

An attorney for released Arizona Diamondbacks pitcher Jason Grimsley said Wednesday that federal agents tried to pressure the player into wearing a listening device in an effort to collect incriminating evidence against San Francisco Giants slugger Barry Bonds, The Arizona Republic reported.

 

"It was a specific effort to target Bonds," attorney Edward F. Novak told the newspaper. "We were told that Jason's cooperation was necessary to their case."

 

Novak said Grimsley subsequently "was outed by the feds" because he didn't cooperate, the Republic reported.

 

Sounds like they're pretty determined to take Bonds down.

[goonys evil twin]

Wow...the plot thickens:

 

An attorney for released Arizona Diamondbacks pitcher Jason Grimsley said Wednesday that federal agents tried to pressure the player into wearing a listening device in an effort to collect incriminating evidence against San Francisco Giants slugger Barry Bonds, The Arizona Republic reported.

 

"It was a specific effort to target Bonds," attorney Edward F. Novak told the newspaper. "We were told that Jason's cooperation was necessary to their case."

 

Novak said Grimsley subsequently "was outed by the feds" because he didn't cooperate, the Republic reported.

 

Sounds like they're pretty determined to take Bonds down.

 

Sounds like a fallback defense option by a defense lawyer. People have said from the beginning this was all about Bonds and trying to keep him from the record. Yet every week somebody else takes a fall.

[Derwood]

Wow...the plot thickens:

 

An attorney for released Arizona Diamondbacks pitcher Jason Grimsley said Wednesday that federal agents tried to pressure the player into wearing a listening device in an effort to collect incriminating evidence against San Francisco Giants slugger Barry Bonds, The Arizona Republic reported.

 

"It was a specific effort to target Bonds," attorney Edward F. Novak told the newspaper. "We were told that Jason's cooperation was necessary to their case."

 

Novak said Grimsley subsequently "was outed by the feds" because he didn't cooperate, the Republic reported.

 

Sounds like they're pretty determined to take Bonds down.

 

Sounds like a fallback defense option by a defense lawyer. People have said from the beginning this was all about Bonds and trying to keep him from the record. Yet every week somebody else takes a fall.

 

Looks like ESPN's "Chasing Aaron" agenda is more powerful than we possibly imagined...

[Derwood]

speaking of ESPN, they have a headline on their website saying "MLB has a new problem, HGH"

 

No you idiots, HGH is NOT a new problem. It's the 800 lbs Gorilla in the room that everyone has ignored because steroids is a far sexier story to cover. Heck, people were talking HGH with McGwire and that was 8 years ago. Why are we pretending this a suddenly new phenomenon?

[The Voice of Reason]

Mods - I'm sorry this was posted in Polls before I noticed this thread.

 

Anyone think Sosa or Clemens was one of the players Grimsley named?

 

Excerpt from Smokinggun.

 

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/mugshots/nolte1.html

 

 

Pitcher Spills Steroid, Speed Secrets

Diamondback Jason Grimsley's home raided in federal drug probe

JUNE 7--Federal agents yesterday raided the Arizona home of a journeyman baseball pitcher who reportedly admitted using performance enhancing drugs and gave investigators the names of current and former major leaguers who have also juiced. Jason Grimsley, an Arizona Diamondbacks pitcher, began cooperating with probers after he accepted a $3200 shipment of human growth hormone at his Scottsdale residence on April 19 (the HGH was delivered to Grimsley, 38, by an undercover postal inspector). After a week's cooperation, Grimsley's lawyer stopped his chats with the government team, which included Internal Revenue Service agent Jeff Novitzky, who has headed the steroid investigation of Barry Bonds and other clients of San Francisco's BALCO laboratory. Below you'll find a copy of Novitzky's search warrant affidavit for Grimsley's home, which was unsealed yesterday in U.S. District Court in Phoenix. During his brief cooperation, Grimsley fingered several fellow athletes (whose names were redacted from the affidavit), spoke about the prevalence of amphetamines in baseball clubhouses, and claimed that "Latin players" were a major source of speed in the big leagues. He also said players on California-based teams would go to Mexico and score amphetamines. Grimsley's remarkable admissions span about seven pages in the Novitzky affidavit. Grimsley, a 15-year veteran, has played for seven teams, including the New York Yankees and Cleveland Indians. His teammates have included Sammy Sosa, Rafael Palmeiro, Jose Canseco, and Roger Clemens. (20 pages)

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[Big Fergie J]

I'm guessing that since Grimsley was a marginal pitcher trying to extend his career his circle of "user players" were also marginal players looking to extend their careers.

 

I doubt Grimsley had very much association with "star" players like a Sosa or Clemens et al.

 

Obviously just a guess and a crude assumption, but I doubt Grimsley named any players of substance.

 

That being said, this story is going to have plenty of legs and will serve to make the Mitchell inquiry useless.

[Soul]

I'm guessing that since Grimsley was a marginal pitcher trying to extend his career his circle of "user players" were also marginal players looking to extend their careers.

 

I doubt Grimsley had very much association with "star" players like a Sosa or Clemens et al.

 

Obviously just a guess and a crude assumption, but I doubt Grimsley named any players of substance.

 

That being said, this story is going to have plenty of legs and will serve to make the Mitchell inquiry useless.

 

No, I don't think it will. They'll just roll the info into the Mitchell investigation, and his team will use it if they can to uncover whatever---or nothing.

[Banedon]

50 game suspension for Grimsley.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

50 game suspension for Grimsley.

 

Over/Under on number of days until he announces his retirement?

[Mizzou]

50 game suspension for Grimsley.

 

Over/Under on number of days until he announces his retirement?

He's basically already announced it. He asked for the DBacks to release him, they did, and his agent said that he doesn't expect Grimsley to play again.

They'll just roll the info into the Mitchell investigation, and his team will use it if they can to uncover whatever---or nothing.

I can't read about "the Mitchell investigation" without picturing Joe Don Baker on the case. Come on. I'm not the only one here. This is the Internet.

[Big Fergie J]

David Segui says he is one of the players Grimsley mentioned.

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2489724

 

Also says he had a doctor's prescription for a hormone deficiency.