yanks getting old in a hurry

[stitchface]

hopefully they collapse.

[Yeti]

pffft! @#%$ the AL thats not baseball

[minnesotacubsfan]

pffft! @#%$ the AL thats not baseball

 

 

its better baseball then the NL right now

[Yeti]

pffft! @#%$ the AL thats not baseball

 

 

its better baseball then the NL right now

i watch 2-4 NL games a day, i watch maybe 2 AL games a week(usually the rangers) i just cant stand the DH and its consequences.

[erik316wttn]

You knew trading the farm for superstars and not replenishing it was going to kill them eventually.

[srbin84]

You knew trading the farm for superstars and not replenishing it was going to kill them eventually.

 

Signing Farnsworth to be your setup man helps too.

[sunnydoo]

Signing Farnsworth to be your setup man helps too.

 

for sure.

 

Kyle is god awful as a setup or closer. He just will never be able to handle the pressure. 23 career blown saves and 21 total saves, with 99 holds. Take out the Leo Mazzone year and it gets even worse. The Boss blew one big time when he paid that joker 17m for 3 years.

 

But he would make one hell of a linebacker.

[ltb]

Kyle is god awful as a setup or closer. He just will never be able to handle the pressure. 23 career blown saves and 21 total saves, with 99 holds. Take out the Leo Mazzone year and it gets even worse. The Boss blew one big time when he paid that joker 17m for 3 years.

 

But he would make one hell of a linebacker.

 

the leo mazzone year?

 

try counting the time in detroit, too. 16/18 in saves. 2.19 era. 3.22 k/bb.

 

boy, he sure was god awful.

[sunnydoo]

the leo mazzone year?

 

try counting the time in detroit, too. 16/18 in saves. 2.19 era. 3.22 k/bb.

 

boy, he sure was god awful.

 

even a blind squirrel can occasionally find an acorn.

 

Kyle has all the talent in the world. Unfortunately he is saddled with a 2 cent head.

[ltb]

the leo mazzone year?

 

try counting the time in detroit, too. 16/18 in saves. 2.19 era. 3.22 k/bb.

 

boy, he sure was god awful.

 

even a blind squirrel can occasionally find an acorn.

 

Kyle has all the talent in the world. Unfortunately he is saddled with a 2 cent head.

 

but this obviously has nothing to do with poor coaching with the cubs, right? one couldn't possibly explain his success in 2005 by pointing out that he finally went to teams that could harness his talent, could they?

 

this year is not a significant sample yet, either, so i'd wait until the end of the season before saying he's not going to succeed as a setup man / closer.

[UMFan83]

Its obvious that the reason he did good last year was because it was an odd year.

[sunnydoo]

this year is not a significant sample yet, either, so i'd wait until the end of the season before saying he's not going to succeed as a setup man / closer.

 

wow?

 

how many games did he play in Atlanta? 26.

 

how many so far this season? 26.

 

hmm. 1.98 vs. 5.18. looks like Leo magic to me.

 

the Detroit thing? well there was no pressure to win there before this season. and pressure is Kyle's undoing.

 

Remember the Glendon Rusch thing in 2004? Yea, that looked like a good idea too.

Edited June 2, 2006 by sunnydoo

[srbin84]

the leo mazzone year?

 

try counting the time in detroit, too. 16/18 in saves. 2.19 era. 3.22 k/bb.

 

boy, he sure was god awful.

 

even a blind squirrel can occasionally find an acorn.

 

Kyle has all the talent in the world. Unfortunately he is saddled with a 2 cent head.

 

but this obviously has nothing to do with poor coaching with the cubs, right? one couldn't possibly explain his success in 2005 by pointing out that he finally went to teams that could harness his talent, could they?

 

this year is not a significant sample yet, either, so i'd wait until the end of the season before saying he's not going to succeed as a setup man / closer.

 

He had great seasons with Cubs coaching too, so that's not an excuse.

[ltb]

this year is not a significant sample yet, either, so i'd wait until the end of the season before saying he's not going to succeed as a setup man / closer.

 

wow?

 

how many games did he play in Atlanta? 26.

 

how many so far this season? 26.

 

hmm. 1.98 vs. 5.18. looks like Leo magic to me.

 

the Detroit thing? well there was no pressure to win there before this season. and pressure is Kyle's undoing.

 

lol..this is funny. so you completely disregard his time in detroit because there was "no pressure to win," just so you can make a horrible attempt at comparing his time in atlanta to his time in new york? come on, you've got to be smarter than that.

 

the fact of the matter is that he posted fantastic numbers over the course of an entire season in 2005. i'm giving him the benefit of the doubt that he will rebound closer to those numbers than what he is currently doing, based on the fact that the cubs' coaching staff is completely inept.

[sunnydoo]

lol..this is funny. so you completely disregard his time in detroit because there was "no pressure to win," just so you can make a horrible attempt at comparing his time in atlanta to his time in new york? come on, you've got to be smarter than that.

 

1 year does not a career make. so we are just going to have to disagree.

 

Kyle has up years and then down years. A 4.48 lifetime ERA in 441 games tells me he is not a great pitcher.

 

Kyle is a space cadet and cant handle pressure. He wont make it a week as Yankee closer if Rivera has to go to the DL. The Bronx is a Zoo and will eat him alive.

 

Edit: Here are some split numbers.

 

 

G GS W L SV CG SHO IP H R ER HR BB K ERA WHIP BAA

Bases Empty 419 0 0 0 0 0 0 292.2 290 89 81 43 136 317 2.49 1.46 .247

Runners On 361 0 0 0 0 0 0 280.0 245 223 202 38 130 268 6.49 1.34 .245

RISP 295 0 0 0 0 0 0 164.1 152 170 152 23 95 166 8.32 1.50 .250

RISP w/2 Outs 250 0 0 0 0 0 0 78.2 78 155 141 14 53 88 16.13 1.67 .250

Bases Loaded 58 0 0 0 0 0 0 16.1 20 18 16 2 4 16 8.82 1.47 .317

 

 

That is what tells me about pressure.

[CubfaninCA]

Signing Farnsworth to be your setup man helps too.

 

for sure.

 

Kyle is god awful as a setup or closer. He just will never be able to handle the pressure. 23 career blown saves and 21 total saves, with 99 holds. Take out the Leo Mazzone year and it gets even worse. The Boss blew one big time when he paid that joker 17m for 3 years.

 

But he would make one hell of a linebacker.

 

howry for 3 & 12 looks like a bargain.

[badger1679666666]

Is he still a gutless choking dog? I need to know what verbage to use to describe him.

[Mark_R]

Is he still a gutless choking dog? I need to know what verbage to use to describe him.

 

He sure pissed himself tonight :lol:

[soccer10k]

the leo mazzone year?

 

try counting the time in detroit, too. 16/18 in saves. 2.19 era. 3.22 k/bb.

 

boy, he sure was god awful.

 

even a blind squirrel can occasionally find an acorn.

 

Kyle has all the talent in the world. Unfortunately he is saddled with a 2 cent head.

 

but this obviously has nothing to do with poor coaching with the cubs, right? one couldn't possibly explain his success in 2005 by pointing out that he finally went to teams that could harness his talent, could they?

 

this year is not a significant sample yet, either, so i'd wait until the end of the season before saying he's not going to succeed as a setup man / closer.

 

How is it not a significant sample yet? It's 2 months, or 1/3, of the way into the year.

[soccer10k]

Signing Farnsworth to be your setup man helps too.

 

for sure.

 

Kyle is god awful as a setup or closer. He just will never be able to handle the pressure. 23 career blown saves and 21 total saves, with 99 holds. Take out the Leo Mazzone year and it gets even worse. The Boss blew one big time when he paid that joker 17m for 3 years.

 

But he would make one hell of a linebacker.

 

howry for 3 & 12 looks like a bargain.

 

Definately.

[minnesotacubsfan]

pffft! @#%$ the AL thats not baseball

 

 

its better baseball then the NL right now

i watch 2-4 NL games a day, i watch maybe 2 AL games a week(usually the rangers) i just cant stand the DH and its consequences.

 

while I hate the DH as well, the AL teams stack their lineups (ingeneral) much better then NL teams. whether or not that is a result of the DH or a result of better management in the AL is up for debate, one thing isnt. Baseball happens in the AL right now.

 

 

Teh NL has some catching up to do...

[mul21]

lol..this is funny. so you completely disregard his time in detroit because there was "no pressure to win," just so you can make a horrible attempt at comparing his time in atlanta to his time in new york? come on, you've got to be smarter than that.

 

1 year does not a career make. so we are just going to have to disagree.

 

Kyle has up years and then down years. A 4.48 lifetime ERA in 441 games tells me he is not a great pitcher.

 

Kyle is a space cadet and cant handle pressure. He wont make it a week as Yankee closer if Rivera has to go to the DL. The Bronx is a Zoo and will eat him alive.

 

Edit: Here are some split numbers.

 

 

G GS W L SV CG SHO IP H R ER HR BB K ERA WHIP BAA

Bases Empty 419 0 0 0 0 0 0 292.2 290 89 81 43 136 317 2.49 1.46 .247

Runners On 361 0 0 0 0 0 0 280.0 245 223 202 38 130 268 6.49 1.34 .245

RISP 295 0 0 0 0 0 0 164.1 152 170 152 23 95 166 8.32 1.50 .250

RISP w/2 Outs 250 0 0 0 0 0 0 78.2 78 155 141 14 53 88 16.13 1.67 .250

Bases Loaded 58 0 0 0 0 0 0 16.1 20 18 16 2 4 16 8.82 1.47 .317

 

 

That is what tells me about pressure.

 

While I understand the point you're trying to make, isn't it inherently more difficult to have high ERA when there is no one on base? I bet if you pulled a lot of pitchers stats, you would see something similar. Perhaps not as extreme as these numbers, but the same trend. I agree with you to a point, but the example you used may not be the best.

[davearm]

lol..this is funny. so you completely disregard his time in detroit because there was "no pressure to win," just so you can make a horrible attempt at comparing his time in atlanta to his time in new york? come on, you've got to be smarter than that.

 

1 year does not a career make. so we are just going to have to disagree.

 

Kyle has up years and then down years. A 4.48 lifetime ERA in 441 games tells me he is not a great pitcher.

 

Kyle is a space cadet and cant handle pressure. He wont make it a week as Yankee closer if Rivera has to go to the DL. The Bronx is a Zoo and will eat him alive.

 

Edit: Here are some split numbers.

 

 

G GS W L SV CG SHO IP H R ER HR BB K ERA WHIP BAA

Bases Empty 419 0 0 0 0 0 0 292.2 290 89 81 43 136 317 2.49 1.46 .247

Runners On 361 0 0 0 0 0 0 280.0 245 223 202 38 130 268 6.49 1.34 .245

RISP 295 0 0 0 0 0 0 164.1 152 170 152 23 95 166 8.32 1.50 .250

RISP w/2 Outs 250 0 0 0 0 0 0 78.2 78 155 141 14 53 88 16.13 1.67 .250

Bases Loaded 58 0 0 0 0 0 0 16.1 20 18 16 2 4 16 8.82 1.47 .317

 

 

That is what tells me about pressure.

 

While I understand the point you're trying to make, isn't it inherently more difficult to have high ERA when there is no one on base? I bet if you pulled a lot of pitchers stats, you would see something similar. Perhaps not as extreme as these numbers, but the same trend. I agree with you to a point, but the example you used may not be the best.

Exactly.

 

That was one of the absolute worst use of statistics, ever.

 

Oh so you're saying he tends to give up more runs when the bases are loaded versus none on? Hmm. Whoda thunk it. :roll:

[Careless]

Remember the Glendon Rusch thing in 2004? Yea, that looked like a good idea too.

huh? 2004 when he was coming off fighting Estes for the honor of being the worst pitcher in the National League in the previous year?

[UBlink]

lol..this is funny. so you completely disregard his time in detroit because there was "no pressure to win," just so you can make a horrible attempt at comparing his time in atlanta to his time in new york? come on, you've got to be smarter than that.

 

1 year does not a career make. so we are just going to have to disagree.

 

Kyle has up years and then down years. A 4.48 lifetime ERA in 441 games tells me he is not a great pitcher.

 

Kyle is a space cadet and cant handle pressure. He wont make it a week as Yankee closer if Rivera has to go to the DL. The Bronx is a Zoo and will eat him alive.

 

Edit: Here are some split numbers.

 

 

G GS W L SV CG SHO IP H R ER HR BB K ERA WHIP BAA

Bases Empty 419 0 0 0 0 0 0 292.2 290 89 81 43 136 317 2.49 1.46 .247

Runners On 361 0 0 0 0 0 0 280.0 245 223 202 38 130 268 6.49 1.34 .245

RISP 295 0 0 0 0 0 0 164.1 152 170 152 23 95 166 8.32 1.50 .250

RISP w/2 Outs 250 0 0 0 0 0 0 78.2 78 155 141 14 53 88 16.13 1.67 .250

Bases Loaded 58 0 0 0 0 0 0 16.1 20 18 16 2 4 16 8.82 1.47 .317

 

 

That is what tells me about pressure.

 

While I understand the point you're trying to make, isn't it inherently more difficult to have high ERA when there is no one on base? I bet if you pulled a lot of pitchers stats, you would see something similar. Perhaps not as extreme as these numbers, but the same trend. I agree with you to a point, but the example you used may not be the best.

Exactly.

 

That was one of the absolute worst use of statistics, ever.

 

Oh so you're saying he tends to give up more runs when the bases are loaded versus none on? Hmm. Whoda thunk it. :roll:

 

How do inherited runners increase his ERA? I see that total runs are higher when there are runners on, but they wouldn't be Kyle's earned runs. Or am I missing something?