Chicago Twins

[NorthsideAvenger]

Rick Aguilera (was crappy in his time in Chi)

Ron Coomer (was he ever good?)

LaTroy Hawkins (was good in HIS role, just not as a closer)

Jacque Jones (heh)

Matt Lawton (steroid, eh?)

Mark Guthrie (come on?)

Damien Miller (decent pick up at the time)

Todd Walker (best former Twin to play for the Cubs)

Orlando Merced (Was solid when he was in Chi)

Kevin Tapani (blows raspberries)

Augie Ojeda (Cubs, then Twins, then Cubs.... :-k )

 

Don't know if anybody realizes this or not....the Cubs have a love-affair with traded with Baltimore, Florida...but they have an equally disturbing love affair, with former crappy Twins players.....

 

So that is the problem with the Cubs....is that they "limit" their possibilites for improvement to a handful of teams. :roll: Apparently, these players were good enough for the Cubs, but players like_______--declared your favorite free agent who the Cubs didn't sign--weren't good enough for the Cubs.

 

It's both surprising/not surprise to find what kind of info you can find about your team, when they start developing a new trend of suckiness.

[SouthSideRyan]

Rick Aguilera (was crappy in his time in Chi)

Ron Coomer (was he ever good?)

LaTroy Hawkins (was good in HIS role, just not as a closer)

Jacque Jones (heh)

Matt Lawton (steroid, eh?)

Mark Guthrie (come on?)

Damien Miller (decent pick up at the time)

Todd Walker (best former Twin to play for the Cubs)

Orlando Merced (Was solid when he was in Chi)

Kevin Tapani (blows raspberries)

Augie Ojeda (Cubs, then Twins, then Cubs.... :-k )

 

Don't know if anybody realizes this or not....the Cubs have a love-affair with traded with Baltimore, Florida...but they have an equally disturbing love affair, with former crappy Twins players.....

 

So that is the problem with the Cubs....is that they "limit" their possibilites for improvement to a handful of teams. :roll: Apparently, these players were good enough for the Cubs, but players like_______--declared your favorite free agent who the Cubs didn't sign--weren't good enough for the Cubs.

 

It's both surprising/not surprise to find what kind of info you can find about your team, when they start developing a new trend of suckiness.

 

I agree with your point that Hendry/MacPhail seem to have a limited # of people they deal with, but you're underselling most of those players. Guthrie was rather good with us, and Tapani was pretty much on his career averages, which is good considering we were the last team he played with. Coomer was as good with us as he was his career, Jones really hasn't been much worse here than he has the rest of his career, nor had Miller. Lawton was here for about 90 ABs, Merced even less. Ojeda was worthless no matter where he was, and Aguilera was far too old.

 

Conclusion, yes, MacPhail/Hendry should get a little more creative and try to stop trading with the same 3 guys, but the results of what came from the Twins is not the reason that they should.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Can we trade for Mauer, Nathan, Liriano and Santana?

 

(Now, not 10 years from now.)

[NorthsideAvenger]

Rick Aguilera (was crappy in his time in Chi)

Ron Coomer (was he ever good?)

LaTroy Hawkins (was good in HIS role, just not as a closer)

Jacque Jones (heh)

Matt Lawton (steroid, eh?)

Mark Guthrie (come on?)

Damien Miller (decent pick up at the time)

Todd Walker (best former Twin to play for the Cubs)

Orlando Merced (Was solid when he was in Chi)

Kevin Tapani (blows raspberries)

Augie Ojeda (Cubs, then Twins, then Cubs.... :-k )

 

Don't know if anybody realizes this or not....the Cubs have a love-affair with traded with Baltimore, Florida...but they have an equally disturbing love affair, with former crappy Twins players.....

 

So that is the problem with the Cubs....is that they "limit" their possibilites for improvement to a handful of teams. :roll: Apparently, these players were good enough for the Cubs, but players like_______--declared your favorite free agent who the Cubs didn't sign--weren't good enough for the Cubs.

 

It's both surprising/not surprise to find what kind of info you can find about your team, when they start developing a new trend of suckiness.

 

I agree with your point that Hendry/MacPhail seem to have a limited # of people they deal with, but you're underselling most of those players. Guthrie was rather good with us, and Tapani was pretty much on his career averages, which is good considering we were the last team he played with. Coomer was as good with us as he was his career, Jones really hasn't been much worse here than he has the rest of his career, nor had Miller. Lawton was here for about 90 ABs, Merced even less. Ojeda was worthless no matter where he was, and Aguilera was far too old.

 

Conclusion, yes, MacPhail/Hendry should get a little more creative and try to stop trading with the same 3 guys, but the results of what came from the Twins is not the reason that they should.

 

Guthrie was "merely average" between his two stints in Chicago. (an era in the high 4.8 in his first stint, and a low 2 in his 2nd stint). He was less sucky then most relievers the Cubs have had. Tapani was "meh" with his time with the Cubs(especially considering he was making $6 mill from the Cubs), but I do remember him hitting a grand slam against Pitts. ..261/.316/.390 so you consider this "good?" Maybe on the 2006 Cubs, (did I just say that? :( )but no Coomer wasn't "good" for the Cubs. Coomer's "high" came in 1996. Otherwise...Coomer was another "cheap mistake". As I said...I thought Miller was solid for the Cubs, but looking at his numbers...omigod. His tenure with the Cubs, was by far his worst season as a starter. He's "defense" saves him, but he was crap offensively in 2003.

 

I'm not suggesting that the Twins "castoffs" who end up in Chicago is the main reason why the Cubs blow....no....I was just surprise at HOW many former Twins have been on the Cubs, within the last 5-8 yrs. There's like 3-4 teams that the Cubs like doing business with....and if the Cubs are going to do anything in the next_____years...they are going to have to "think outside the box."

[mncub]

Can we trade for Mauer, Nathan, Liriano and Santana?

 

(Now, not 10 years from now.)

 

With the way Liriano pitched last night, he isn't going anywhere. Besides, who of value would the Cubs trade to the Twins?

[Neuby]

didn't Tap win close to 20 games 98? For a 6 million dollar pitcher i'll take anyday. We won't get 20 wins combined most likely this season from Prior and Wood.

[bhogg]

I think he won 19.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

I think he won 19.

 

Correct.

[Jehrico]

It's somewhat understandable, given MacPhail's background and connections in MN.

 

Maybe we need to hire someone away from AZ or TB, so we have someone with connections with those organizations who might be able to work us some good trades :)

[fiver]

didn't Tap win close to 20 games 98? For a 6 million dollar pitcher i'll take anyday. We won't get 20 wins this season

 

this is what you were intending to type, right?