And you thought there was only one Albert Pujols

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Albert Pujols 2006 - .323/.449/.804/1.253 23 HR 57 RBI 37 BB 12 SO

 

Age: 26

 

Miguel Cabrera 2006 - .335/.432/.599/1.031 8 HR 39 RBI 27 BB 30 SO

 

Age: 23

 

Now, obviously, his numbers are not Albert Pujols numbers, exactly, but think about this.

 

Miguel is 3 years younger.

Miguel plays half his games in gigantic ballpark. He has 18 doubles, compared to Pujols who has 7.

 

The scary thing, I think, for everyone, is that a.) Miguel is only 23, b.) he won't be a Marlin for much longer, which means that someday soon, the numbers he is putting up will actually start to matter and c.) being in a crappy lineup and getting pitched around all the time hasn't hampered him at all. He's not expading his zone, he's walking more and striking out less (68 BB 148 SO in 2004, 64 BB 125 SO last year, on pace for 97 BB 108 SO this year), and still hitting the ball hard when he gets a chance. Now, check this out.

 

Miguel Cabrera's 2006 season, projected

 

335/.432/.599/1.031 29 HR 140 RBI 97 BB 108 SO (just for fun, 18 SB)

 

Albert Pujols 2003 season, 23 years old.

 

.359/.439/.667/1.106 43 HR 124RBI 79BB 65 SO

 

He's good. Organization changing good. Whoever gets him from the Marlins is going to be really lucky.

[snoodmonger]

He's good. Organization changing good. Whoever gets him from the Marlins is going to be really lucky.

 

Well, it's safe to say based on that it won't be the Cubs.

[NorthsideAvenger]

Albert Pujols 2006 - .323/.449/.804/1.253 23 HR 57 RBI 37 BB 12 SO

 

Age: 26

 

Miguel Cabrera 2006 - .335/.432/.599/1.031 8 HR 39 RBI 27 BB 30 SO

 

Age: 23

 

Now, obviously, his numbers are not Albert Pujols numbers, exactly, but think about this.

 

Miguel is 3 years younger.

Miguel plays half his games in gigantic ballpark. He has 18 doubles, compared to Pujols who has 7.

 

The scary thing, I think, for everyone, is that a.) Miguel is only 23, b.) he won't be a Marlin for much longer, which means that someday soon, the numbers he is putting up will actually start to matter and c.) being in a crappy lineup and getting pitched around all the time hasn't hampered him at all. He's not expading his zone, he's walking more and striking out less (68 BB 148 SO in 2004, 64 BB 125 SO last year, on pace for 97 BB 108 SO this year), and still hitting the ball hard when he gets a chance. Now, check this out.

 

Miguel Cabrera's 2006 season, projected

 

335/.432/.599/1.031 29 HR 140 RBI 97 BB 108 SO (just for fun, 18 SB)

 

Albert Pujols 2003 season, 23 years old.

 

.359/.439/.667/1.106 43 HR 124RBI 79BB 65 SO

 

He's good. Organization changing good. Whoever gets him from the Marlins is going to be really lucky.

 

And this isn't tooting my own horn---- :wink: ----but I always LIKED Cabrera better then Pujols, anyways. If the Cubs could get Cabrera, oh man.....

[soccer10k]

Albert Pujols 2006 - .323/.449/.804/1.253 23 HR 57 RBI 37 BB 12 SO

 

Age: 26

 

Miguel Cabrera 2006 - .335/.432/.599/1.031 8 HR 39 RBI 27 BB 30 SO

 

Age: 23

 

Now, obviously, his numbers are not Albert Pujols numbers, exactly, but think about this.

 

Miguel is 3 years younger.

Miguel plays half his games in gigantic ballpark. He has 18 doubles, compared to Pujols who has 7.

 

The scary thing, I think, for everyone, is that a.) Miguel is only 23, b.) he won't be a Marlin for much longer, which means that someday soon, the numbers he is putting up will actually start to matter and c.) being in a crappy lineup and getting pitched around all the time hasn't hampered him at all. He's not expading his zone, he's walking more and striking out less (68 BB 148 SO in 2004, 64 BB 125 SO last year, on pace for 97 BB 108 SO this year), and still hitting the ball hard when he gets a chance. Now, check this out.

 

Miguel Cabrera's 2006 season, projected

 

335/.432/.599/1.031 29 HR 140 RBI 97 BB 108 SO (just for fun, 18 SB)

 

Albert Pujols 2003 season, 23 years old.

 

.359/.439/.667/1.106 43 HR 124RBI 79BB 65 SO

 

He's good. Organization changing good. Whoever gets him from the Marlins is going to be really lucky.

 

And this isn't tooting my own horn---- :wink: ----but I always LIKED Cabrera better then Pujols, anyways. If the Cubs could get Cabrera, oh man.....

 

If that happens and Kerry Wood goes to another NL Central team, then Cabrera can continue to kill Wood and it will actually help us rather than hurt us.

[Balsa]

Like I said in the game thread, one day Miguel Cabrera is gonna make a 'good' team a great team.

 

Let's hope its the Cubs.

[Derwood]

I'm pretty sure Steinbrenner has a blank check already signed for him

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PECOTA has Albert Pujols as Cabrera's #2 comparable. Frank Robinson is #1. Both have high similarity scores.

[Banedon]

Prior for Cabrera straight up...would you do it? Would the Marlins?

 

EDIT: On second thought probably not, Prior would cost too much. They'd want kids.

[Catman61]

Miguel plays half his games in gigantic ballpark. He has 18 doubles, compared to Pujols who has 7.

 

Pujols has always been a doubles machine(227 or 45+/year), last year was the first time in his career that he didn't hit at least 40 doubles the 1st year he wasn't top 10 in the NL in doubles and only the 2nd time he wasn't in the top 5. It would seem that the difference is that this year those hits that would be doubles have a little more oomph and are going out of the park instead of off the wall. (as noted by the 200+ points in SLG)

[biittner77]

Prior for Cabrera straight up...would you do it? Would the Marlins?

 

EDIT: On second thought probably not, Prior would cost too much. They'd want kids.

 

Keep in mind that the Marlins could always flip whatever high dollar players they get to another team.

 

Marlins get: Ramirez and Prior

 

Cubs get: Cabrera

 

 

3 weeks later the Marlins then trade prior to just about any team for prospects. Even if they can't trade Ramirez- though I'd think they could especially to an AL team- he'd almost certainly opt out of his contract.

 

I'm not sure if the owners really care what the 3 remaining Marlin's fans think but if they do care at all it would be much easier to sell the idea that they were going to trade Cabrera for someone with name recognition.

[goonys evil twin]

Prior for Cabrera straight up...would you do it? Would the Marlins?

 

EDIT: On second thought probably not, Prior would cost too much. They'd want kids.

 

Gallagher, Guzman, Pie and Murton.

[Catman61]

Even if they can't trade Ramirez- though I'd think they could especially to an AL team- he'd almost certainly opt out of his contract.

 

So if you were the Marlins, why would you accept him in trade?

 

 

And unless ARam's season makes a dramatic turnaround, why would he opt out of a guaranteed 22+M over the next 2 years as well as a very good chance of another 11M for 2009 (mutual option vests with 270 games 07-08 )

[RynoRules]

The reason Cabrera has more doubles than Pujols is b/c Albert's doubles have been going over the fence on the fly.

[biittner77]

Even if they can't trade Ramirez- though I'd think they could especially to an AL team- he'd almost certainly opt out of his contract.

 

So if you were the Marlins, why would you accept him in trade?

 

 

And unless ARam's season makes a dramatic turnaround, why would he opt out of a guaranteed 22+M over the next 2 years as well as a very good chance of another 11M for 2009 (mutual option vests with 270 games 07-08 )

 

I do expect him to hit well enough to be an attractive addition by the trade deadline. He's started hitting for more power lately.

 

He'd opt out of the contract because he'd rather not play for a last place team.

 

What GM would give him more money than the Cubs? Much more stupid moves have been made on numerous occasions.

[Peoriaman]

not sure about Cabrera, but nobody in baseball believes Pujols is 26.

[biittner77]

not sure about Cabrera, but nobody in baseball believes Pujols is 26.

 

But even the people that think he's older realize that at most he's 28. That means he likely has at least 7 more years to torment the NL Central barring injury.

 

Our only hope is that the Yankees somehow offer him $35 million per season.

[snoodmonger]

not sure about Cabrera, but nobody in baseball believes Pujols is 26.

 

I completely disagree. The Pujols age thing is just sour grapes.

[TruffleShuffle]

I really think I'd seriously consider trading every player in the Cubs organization for Miguel Cabrera. That's a statement both on how good he is, and how worthless most of the current Cubs and Cub farmhands are.

[brewfandave]

not sure about Cabrera, but nobody in baseball believes Pujols is 26.

 

WordupThome: SIT ON TOP OF IT POTSIE.

 

I think the talk about Pujols being much older is somewhere between irrelevant and completely ridiculous.

 

Is there any evidence whatsoever that he's not 26? There's nothing but speculation, hearsay, and angry Brewer/Astro/Cub/Pirate/Red fans who are willing to make up rumors so they have a reason to hate Pujols.

 

Either way, he's a terror at the plate and will continue to brutalize the NL Central for at least the next five-ten years, barring injury.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

I really think I'd seriously consider trading every player in the Cubs organization for Miguel Cabrera. That's a statement both on how good he is, and how worthless most of the current Cubs and Cub farmhands are.

 

I think I already volunteered to give up the entire Peoria roster for him.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

not sure about Cabrera, but nobody in baseball believes Pujols is 26.

 

You really think after years of post-9/11 birth certificate scrutiny, Albert Pujols' age is wrong?

 

And yes, I want Cabrerra on the Cubs. Too bad the Cubs don't have the bargaining chips for him.

[Catman61]

not sure about Cabrera, but nobody in baseball believes Pujols is 26.

 

You do realize that it only takes ONE person to make absolute statements such as yours false.

 

Not to mention how silly that claim looks in light of the entire picture such as

Pujols wasn't one ANYONE'S radar as a baseball prospect when he entered the US back in 1996

 

How many 18-19 year olds are going to spend the next 3 years (he was a sophmore when he started HS in KC) in HS

 

Seeing as he wasn't drafted until the 13th round and the 402nd pick in 1999, he obviously wasn't considered a prospect then

 

Which begs the question, what would have been the motivation to fake his age back in 1996? Virtually every other case in baseball has been to get a bigger contract/bonus when signed, that certainly doesn't apply here. In addition, Pujols has made trips outside the US since 9/11 and nothing has surfaced, somehow I doubt he could fake out the US government when so many others could not.

[Catman61]

He'd opt out of the contract because he'd rather not play for a last place team.

 

Then you don't expect him to be a Cub in 2007 if he doesn't get traded?

 

 

What GM would give him more money than the Cubs? Much more stupid moves have been made on numerous occasions.

Bud Smith and Jose Jiminez pitched no-hitters as Cardinals, doesn't mean they will do it again.

 

Certainly a GM MIGHT give him more money than the Cubs and a GM might not either. He might also look at the slowwww starts ARam has had each of the last 2 years, the rumored lack of offseason conditioning and the groin/leg/hammy problems he has had over the last few years then offer a contract that is 10+M less than his current contract 2007-2009.

[Proven Veteran]

I would gladly trade the cubs entire farm system for Cabrera. We don't have anyone who will be nearly as good as him, he's even younger than some of our "prospects". He's 10 days younger than EPatt, 3 years younger than Hill, 8 months younger than Marshall...

 

He's a Hall of Fame player, barring injury.

[FergieJ31]

...but I always LIKED Cabrera better then Pujols, anyways.

 

Wasn't Cabrera the one who once laughingly mocked Moises' hissy fit from an unspeakable game?

 

That said, don't get me wrong -- even if he's a smartass I'd LOVE to see him in a Cubs uni next year ... Fla *owes* us a good trade fer cryin out loud :evil: