Can anyone explain what people see in Rich Hill

[CubfaninCA]

lOl, if u say so.

 

well, then the pierre/speed trolling has a long, long lead.

[SaorsaDaonnan]

wait a sec.

 

Hill has been bad. No question. A disappoinment. Sure.

 

But what's all this about his age? He is, after all, a lefty. He'll get a chance somewhere, and he'll be a useful part. Somewhere between a really good LOOGY and a shaky fourth starter, if you ask me. But I could see him suddenly having a good season or two, maybe three-four years down the line. He'll grow up a little...but who knows how much of the control issue is psychological vs. mechanical? Sure as hell not the Cubs. Not me, either.

 

And what's all this about "trade him and he'll just get good somewhere else." So what? If he's not going to be a useful player for our team, who cares how he does for someone else (provided we don't trade him to a division rival)?

 

I mean, let's say you've got a kid who God tells you is gonna hit like Neifi for us, but will be like Abreu if you trade him. So long as the guy you get back is more valuable than this guy is to your team you just made a reasonable deal.

[TXCubsFan]

wait a sec.

 

Hill has been bad. No question. A disappoinment. Sure.

 

But what's all this about his age? He is, after all, a lefty. He'll get a chance somewhere, and he'll be a useful part. Somewhere between a really good LOOGY and a shaky fourth starter, if you ask me. But I could see him suddenly having a good season or two, maybe three-four years down the line. He'll grow up a little...but who knows how much of the control issue is psychological vs. mechanical? Sure as hell not the Cubs. Not me, either.

 

And what's all this about "trade him and he'll just get good somewhere else." So what? If he's not going to be a useful player for our team, who cares how he does for someone else (provided we don't trade him to a division rival)?

 

I mean, let's say you've got a kid who God tells you is gonna hit like Neifi for us, but will be like Abreu if you trade him. So long as the guy you get back is more valuable than this guy is to your team you just made a reasonable deal.

 

I think Hill's biggest hurdles are working three pitches into his major league repetoire and self-doubt. If Marshall is a better pitcher than his tools because he's shown mental toughness, Hill may be a worse pitcher than his tools because of self-doubt.

[TXCubsFan]

http://cubs.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20060521&content_id=1464636&vkey=news_chc&fext=.jsp&c_id=chc

 

Quote:

 

So, does he listen?

 

"I think sometimes I get in my own way, if that makes sense," Hill said. "I try to think I know everything already, and that's obviously not the way to go about it. I've started to listen and am trying to take everybody's advice. I've run into problems taking the wrong people's advice. Maybe part of that is saying, watch who you listen to. You try to take advice from everybody."

 

Advice to Rich Hill - next time you're on the bench at Wrigley, sit next to Mad Dog, ask a lot of questions, and speak sparingly.

[3finger]

wait a sec.

 

Hill has been bad. No question. A disappoinment. Sure.

 

But what's all this about his age? He is, after all, a lefty. He'll get a chance somewhere, and he'll be a useful part. Somewhere between a really good LOOGY and a shaky fourth starter, if you ask me. But I could see him suddenly having a good season or two, maybe three-four years down the line.

 

Except for 65 innings at Iowa last year, and a few more this season, Hill has never shown very good control. His limited stretches of good control may be more attributable to luck and/or a small sample size than any real improvement.

 

Still, he's a lefty with a mouth-watering K rate and there just aren't very many of those lying around. He's too old to be prospect but too young to be done, a situation many of us can sympathize with. I think he'll be a 4th starter, but probably not with the Cubs.

[Sammy Sofa]

Treating left handed pitchers like they're wonderful and rare freaks blessed by the hand of God is how someone like Glendon Rusch works as long as he has.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

wait a sec.

 

Hill has been bad. No question. A disappoinment. Sure.

 

But what's all this about his age? He is, after all, a lefty. He'll get a chance somewhere, and he'll be a useful part. Somewhere between a really good LOOGY and a shaky fourth starter, if you ask me. But I could see him suddenly having a good season or two, maybe three-four years down the line.

 

Except for 65 innings at Iowa last year, and a few more this season, Hill has never shown very good control. His limited stretches of good control may be more attributable to luck and/or a small sample size than any real improvement.

 

Still, he's a lefty with a mouth-watering K rate and there just aren't very many of those lying around. He's too old to be prospect but too young to be done, a situation many of us can sympathize with. I think he'll be a 4th starter, but probably not with the Cubs.

 

Actually, he showed very good control all last season in the minors, not just in Iowa (57.2 IP at West Tenn, 8 IP at Peoria and 65 IP at Iowa).

[bannor10]

he looks to me like Micah Bowie

[Lefty]

To think that this board (in the aggregate) was against trading Hill for Aubrey Huff.

[rocket]

To think that this board (in the aggregate) was against trading Hill for Aubrey Huff.

 

have you seen huff's stats last year, and his stats this year so far?

[Banedon]

To think that this board (in the aggregate) was against trading Hill for Aubrey Huff.

 

have you seen huff's stats last year, and his stats this year so far?

 

        G AB R H  2B 3B HR RBI SB BA   OBP  SLG 
Season 23 77 7 13 2  1  1  7   0 .169 .270 .260 

[Banedon]

To think that this board (in the aggregate) was against trading Hill for Aubrey Huff.

 

have you seen huff's stats last year, and his stats this year so far?

 

Yeah, this season is ugly.

 

        G AB R H  2B 3B HR RBI SB BA   OBP  SLG 
Season 23 77 7 13 2  1  1  7   0 .169 .270 .260 

[Larry Horse]

Hey CaliforniaRaisin....Sorry if this has been mentioned but does that baseball card give us a sign that "Wimpy" will be our next manager?

[Sammy Sofa]

Everyone was so sweaty in 1971.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Hey CaliforniaRaisin....Sorry if this has been mentioned but does that baseball card give us a sign that "Wimpy" will be our next manager?

 

Sure seems like it, doesn't it?

[NewUserName]

Steve Phillips was talking about the Tigers pitching the other day (yes I know he is a idiot) He was talking how Maroth, Bonderman and Robertson have taken their lumps and have learned how to deal with adversity and yada yada yada. I think he makes a good point, most young pitchers are going to struggle. What is needed is a team that is willing to let them pitch and do poorly. Sadly the Cubs keep having these dillusions that they are a contender and would rather have Glendon Rusch suck than let a youngster develop. I think the way this season has gone it is a perfect opportunity to let Hill, Guzman and Marshall pitch. I am not saying they are going to be great, I would rather let them take their lumps and try to develop than see Rusch, Miller or Maddux waste more time on the mound though. If they dont work out than really what is lost at this point.

[abuck1220]

7 ip, 2 h, 0 r, 0 bb, 14 k's on 86 pitches (65 strikes) tonight.

 

but the cubs have to see what that rusch kid is made of in the heat of this pennant race.