dont give up hope.....

[ronsanto10]

i heard this on WGN radio today....

Houston 2005 record after 37 games----14-23

Marlins 2003 record on 05/22-------------19-29

i know that they fired the manager in 2003(marlins)....but maybe this will give you some hope...or maybe not :(

[Wilson A2000]

i heard this on WGN radio today....

Houston 2005 record after 37 games----14-23

Marlins 2003 record on 05/22-------------19-29

i know that they fired the manager in 2003(marlins)....but maybe this will give you some hope...or maybe not :(

 

So did the Astros and that's why they actually went somewhere. The White Sox did and they went to the Series. Not to mention the Red Sox. But we'll let Dusty get himself out of this.

[RegulusBlue]

Good call.

[soccer10k]

And we can't do anything about this.

[UMFan83]

We're not the Astros or Marlins. We are the stupid Cubs and we lack the requisite talent and brains to pull any sort of .500 season out, much less a playoff bearth.

[hardcorecubfan]

We're not the Astros or Marlins. We are the stupid Cubs and we lack the requisite talent and brains to pull any sort of .500 season out, much less a playoff bearth.

 

We have the talent, if all of these guys played to the real potential they had, or Dusty having the ability to bring it out in them or they find a way to bring it out in themselves.

[Sammy Sofa]

Will I ever give up hope in the grand scheme of things as Cubs fan? Of course not.

 

Might I give up hope on THIS season? I think that's perfectly reasonable. Probably healthier, too.

[erik316wttn]

Let's compare, shall we?

 

2003 Marlins: Good

 

2005 Astros: Good

 

2006 Cubs: Not good.

[Sammy Sofa]

Too true. The dismal offense this year is being overlooked by people bringing up those teams. It's beyond just being a slump...even unslumped and unhurt, it's still "kinda bad" at BEST.

[goonys evil twin]

It's telling that so many people dismissed the lack of walks/obp, and the general lack of quality offensive players, and pointed to the Astros as an example of just how easy it is to overcome those problems. And now people are pointing at the Astros struggles to start last season as some sort of example for how the Cubs can come back and win it all this season.

 

The Astros achievement last year was historic. They were remarkable. The pitching was absolutely insanely good. It was an amazing story exactly because it does not happen all the time.

 

Thinking the offense would be just fine with some added speed was a terrible mistake. Thinking this stretch is anything but indicative of just how lacking this team is would also be a mistake.

[frostwyrm]

I'm kinda tired of hearing about the Astros. That was a miraculous comeback that happens once in a blue moon. Hoping and praying for miracles is not a good way to run a team. If it were then nobody would ever rebuild or even plan ahead one year.

[Caryatid]

We're not the Astros or Marlins. We are the stupid Cubs and we lack the requisite talent and brains to pull any sort of .500 season out, much less a playoff bearth.

 

We have the talent, if all of these guys played to the real potential they had, or Dusty having the ability to bring it out in them or they find a way to bring it out in themselves.

 

I don't want to be overly critical of anyone, but man, this attitude really upsets me. Having the attitude of "we have the potential" just allows for this same situation to happen every year. Every year, regardless of talent level or philosophy, if we keep telling ourselves that we just didn't play to potential, then we'll never have a team that actually has the potential we project on our current team.

 

We need to accept that this team, both at the major and minor league level, has the WRONG philosophy about both offense and pitching and it will never change unless this management team sees the error of its ways, or we get a new management team.

[Master Shake]

This whole thing smacks of 'the Gambler's Fallacy' which basically states that "just because event X should happen Y times in Z tries, doesn't mean that it will."

 

Sure, the Cubs COULD comeback and will every game for the rest of the season. But just because it COULD happen doesn't mean that it WILL. The Cubs are just as likely to lose the rest of the games as they are to win them all.

 

 

 

 

 

Is there a "cynics anonymous" group I can attend?

[CubfaninCA]

i have little hope left. prior & wood have burnt the cubs way too many times. talk about money down the toilet. Edited May 16, 2006 by CubfaninCA

[Ding Dong Johnson]

i heard this on WGN radio today....

Houston 2005 record after 37 games----14-23

Marlins 2003 record on 05/22-------------19-29

i know that they fired the manager in 2003(marlins)....but maybe this will give you some hope...or maybe not :(

 

And what was Kansas City's record after 37 games in 2005? Or the 2003 Detroit Tigers' record on 5/22?

[YearofDaCubs]

I'm tired hearing about past performances too.

[Master Shake]

I'm tired hearing about past performances too.

Taking a cue from investment ads on the radio...

 

"Past performance is not indicative of future results"

[goonys evil twin]

I'm tired hearing about past performances too.

Taking a cue from investment ads on the radio...

 

"Past performance is not indicative of future results"

 

Isn't that what they say on ED commercials?

[badger1679666666]

I'm tired hearing about past performances too.

Taking a cue from investment ads on the radio...

 

"Past performance is not indicative of future results"

 

Isn't that what they say on ED commercials?

 

Are you trying to let us know something?

[David]

i have little hope left. prior & wood have burnt the cubs way too many times. talk about money down the toilet.

 

Even if Prior and Wood were here and pitching at Cy Young levels, we'd be losing. The offense is horrific and is the main reason this team is so terrible.

 

We'd just be losing 1-0 and 2-1 instead.

 

Oh, and it's not Wood's fault he had to miss the first month of this season.

[CubfaninCA]

i have little hope left. prior & wood have burnt the cubs way too many times. talk about money down the toilet.

 

Even if Prior and Wood were here and pitching at Cy Young levels, we'd be losing. The offense is horrific and is the main reason this team is so terrible.

 

We'd just be losing 1-0 and 2-1 instead.

 

Oh, and it's not Wood's fault he had to miss the first month of this season.

 

cmon. they'd win some of these 3-2 games.

 

you must have missed the thread where someone posted an interview w/ kerry where he said he made the call on pitching last august. lets not get that started again tho...

Edited May 16, 2006 by CubfaninCA

[goonys evil twin]

you must have missed the thread where someone posted an interview w/ kerry where he said he made the call on pitching last april. lets not get that started again tho...

 

Just like Prior saying he was okay to go back out after injuring his shoulder? Only incompetent management would allow that to happen.

[CubfaninCA]

you must have missed the thread where someone posted an interview w/ kerry where he said he made the call on pitching last april. lets not get that started again tho...

 

Just like Prior saying he was okay to go back out after injuring his shoulder? Only incompetent management would allow that to happen.

 

perhaps so. i'm done debating it tho. just wanted to inform the davhern about what wood said...

 

yours truly,

 

"contrarian"

 

:lol:

[A New Era]

I'm not giving up hope per se, for this year. I mean I'll still watch alot of Cubs games (deffinatly the ones with strong pitchers like Zambrano or Wood, ect. .)

 

But I am deffinatly not expecting them to make the wild card this year or win the division. So I'm not holding out hope on that. And like I saw mentioned, it's probably healthier. Just watch them play, if some good stuff happens and they start winning. Good for them. If they ever get back up to 10 games over, then I'll start watching with more authority.

[Jon]

There's no reason to give up all hope, but the team will need just about everything to start going right in June and they can't continue to tank this month. If Wood, Prior, Miller, Zambrano, Lee, and Ramirez can produce like they could reasonably be expected to, the team will be vastly different. The odds of that happening, although not great, may not be as low as most might think. Will they be good enough to make up this ground? Perhaps not, but we're not even a quarter of the way through the season.

 

The Cubs and Astros comparisson is also not a great one because the Astros were in a worse position. Hendry really dropped the ball, but the team isn't this bad.

 

Remember, even Pierre won't continue to suck at this rate.