StLous take on Baker and team slide.

[Dirt Dog Sparly]

The first paragraph made me cringe. The rest is just simple salt in the wound for the back handed truthfullness of it.

 

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/sports/columnists.nsf/jeffgordon/story/169D84637190B49086257168004D5BD1?OpenDocument

[Mark Priors Calves]

pfft... Wrigley Stadium.

[Drew Doughty]

Angel Guzman (2-0, 7.20)

 

lol?

 

Seemed like there were a lot of mistakes there...Aramis "wasn't ready" to take over the run-producing role? No, he was in a slump, and he was before Lee got hurt. Zambrano "failed to step up as a leader" because he didn't win games? Tough to win when your offense, as you stated about 47 times, doesn't score.

 

Some of it is spot on, but some of it just seemed like anti-Cubs rhetoric.

[moorecg]

Angel Guzman (2-0, 7.20)

 

lol?

 

Seemed like there were a lot of mistakes there...Aramis "wasn't ready" to take over the run-producing role? No, he was in a slump, and he was before Lee got hurt. Zambrano "failed to step up as a leader" because he didn't win games? Tough to win when your offense, as you stated about 47 times, doesn't score.

 

Some of it is spot on, but some of it just seemed like anti-Cubs rhetoric.

 

Its pathetic down here...despite being swept by Houston and Cincy and losing 5 of 8 overall, St. louis seems to keep its self happy with constant Cub bashing.

[oldstyle81]

"back handed truthfullness"?

 

it sounded more like a cards fan ripping on cubs players

 

a lot of it is true but you have to look deeper than this guy to find the truth

 

Zambrano "failed to step up as a leader"

 

cards fans just hate him, he threw a great game against them back in april

Edited May 9, 2006 by oldstyle81

[Jehrico]

Angel Guzman (2-0, 7.20)

 

lol?

 

Zambrano "failed to step up as a leader" because he didn't win games? Tough to win when your offense, as you stated about 47 times, doesn't score.

 

Funny...seems that Z's only start since we REALLY went into a funk, he threw 7 shutout innings. Seems to me he stepped up when we needed him most, but unfortunately, we got shut out and lost in extra innings. Can't blame him for that.

[moorecg]

Angel Guzman (2-0, 7.20)

 

lol?

 

Zambrano "failed to step up as a leader" because he didn't win games? Tough to win when your offense, as you stated about 47 times, doesn't score.

 

Funny...seems that Z's only start since we REALLY went into a funk, he threw 7 shutout innings. Seems to me he stepped up when we needed him most, but unfortunately, we got shut out and lost in extra innings. Can't blame him for that.

 

No...St. Louis fans would say he didnt' pitch "well enough to win"...these "best fans in baseball" are also ones who profess how important the "win" is as a stat in evaluating a pitcher and lauded the talents of Matt Morris when he won 18 games, despite a 5.something ERA.

[TomAZZ]

Angel Guzman (2-0, 7.20)

 

lol?

 

Zambrano "failed to step up as a leader" because he didn't win games? Tough to win when your offense, as you stated about 47 times, doesn't score.

 

Funny...seems that Z's only start since we REALLY went into a funk, he threw 7 shutout innings. Seems to me he stepped up when we needed him most, but unfortunately, we got shut out and lost in extra innings. Can't blame him for that.

 

No...St. Louis fans would say he didnt' pitch "well enough to win"...these "best fans in baseball" are also ones who profess how important the "win" is as a stat in evaluating a pitcher and lauded the talents of Matt Morris when he won 18 games, despite a 5.something ERA.

 

but it wasn't as important of a stat last season when they were campaigning Carp for Cy Young

[moorecg]

Angel Guzman (2-0, 7.20)

 

lol?

 

Zambrano "failed to step up as a leader" because he didn't win games? Tough to win when your offense, as you stated about 47 times, doesn't score.

 

Funny...seems that Z's only start since we REALLY went into a funk, he threw 7 shutout innings. Seems to me he stepped up when we needed him most, but unfortunately, we got shut out and lost in extra innings. Can't blame him for that.

 

No...St. Louis fans would say he didnt' pitch "well enough to win"...these "best fans in baseball" are also ones who profess how important the "win" is as a stat in evaluating a pitcher and lauded the talents of Matt Morris when he won 18 games, despite a 5.something ERA.

 

but it wasn't as important of a stat last season when they were campaigning Carp for Cy Young

 

Actually...yeah it was. Wins was about the only thing he beat Clemens on last year. Clemens got robbed out of that Cy Young because his team didn't score any runs...dude had a 1.8 something ERA simply amazing. First guy with a SUb 2 era to NOT win the Cy Young in something like 20 years.

[Outshined_One]

Actually...yeah it was. Wins was about the only thing he beat Clemens on last year. Clemens got robbed out of that Cy Young because his team didn't score any runs...dude had a 1.8 something ERA simply amazing. First guy with a SUb 2 era to NOT win the Cy Young in something like 20 years.

 

Correct, although it bears pointing out that Clemens robbed Randy Johnson of a Cy Young in 2004 when RJ had Randy beat in every category except wins.

[moorecg]

Actually...yeah it was. Wins was about the only thing he beat Clemens on last year. Clemens got robbed out of that Cy Young because his team didn't score any runs...dude had a 1.8 something ERA simply amazing. First guy with a SUb 2 era to NOT win the Cy Young in something like 20 years.

 

Correct, although it bears pointing out that Clemens robbed Randy Johnson of a Cy Young in 2004 when RJ had Randy beat in every category except wins.

 

No question RJ deserved that one...but I was attempting to point out the annoyingness of STL fans...not the faults of MLB award voting. :D

[UMFan83]

I have no idea why St. Louis writers are spending time writing about the Cubs. How many Chicago writers write about the pflight of the Cards?

[Soul]

Simple question. If we don't want to read articles like this, then why do we put up with the continual, abysmal mismanagement of this ballclub?

[Transmogrified Tiger]

The Post Dispatch is an abomination.

[PujolsPower]

Actually...yeah it was. Wins was about the only thing he beat Clemens on last year. Clemens got robbed out of that Cy Young because his team didn't score any runs...dude had a 1.8 something ERA simply amazing. First guy with a SUb 2 era to NOT win the Cy Young in something like 20 years.

 

K's, Innings Pitched, Shutouts, Complete Games, K/BB ratio, quality starts, K/9, G/F, losses, winning %

 

Just a couple of other categories besides wins that Carpenter was better in.