How Many Games before Dusty gets canned?

[moorecg]

We're 1-9 in our last 10....at somepoint he's got to start feeling it. I'm guessing if we're not better than 3-7 or better (how pathetic is that) in the next 10 that we could be looking at a new manager.

[Jehrico]

We're 1-9 in our last 10....at somepoint he's got to start feeling it. I'm guessing if we're not better than 3-7 or better (how pathetic is that) in the next 10 that we could be looking at a new manager.

 

Too bad Joe G didn't get a job in Pittsburg instead of Florida, because then we could call him up!

[goonys evil twin]

I have been really surprised how much this story has picked up with the national media. Chicago writers don't seem to be addressing it, and I'm still not convinced it's really an issue. But it's picking up steam. My guess is that if it's possible, then it won't take much more than another 10 games like the last 10. I don't think it's going to happen though. It's very rare that Hendry makes a personel decision that I want to see happen.

[badgercub]

We're 1-9 in our last 10....at somepoint he's got to start feeling it. I'm guessing if we're not better than 3-7 or better (how pathetic is that) in the next 10 that we could be looking at a new manager.

 

We can only hope for small miracles. Dusty should have been fired in the offseason. This guy is a joke. Injuries aside you should still be able to play fundamental baseball and this team defiinitely is not. I mean come on, do you think these guys high school coaches would allow them to get away with consistently missing the cut off man, stealing bases when you are down by 6, getting doubled off on line drives instead of making sure the ball is not caught (on multiple occassions) This is sickening to watch and inexcusable and it all starts with the manager and the coaching staff. To add another point which Bruce Miles makes in his column today, Dusty uses the old double switch and puts in Neifi instead of The Riot, only a day after he says The Riot can add some energy to the lineup. Go with the proven unproducing vet instead. Dusty is now officially, if he wasn't before, the village idiot.

Edited May 9, 2006 by badgercub

[bobbyd20]

When I was 13, I stole third base with two outs and a good hitter at the plate. My coach was so mad that I took an unnecessary risk, he sat me for the rest of the game. Lesson learned. That was the last time I took a chance at making the third out at third base.

 

Since we know Dusty would never make an example of a player for poor fundamental play, maybe I can look up my old coach and see if he'd be interested in becoming the next manager of the Chicago Cubs.

[LoneStarCubFan]

I wondered about that too but since I tuned in late, was Theriot even in San Diego last night?

 

Back on topic, I think the reason the Chicago writers aren't talking about Dusty being fired is that they're closer to the situation than the national guys. The Chicago writers seem convinced Baker is going to get an extension despite three plus years of managing the dumbest team in baseball.

 

I'm of the opinion that if Dusty doesn't have his extension by the end of the month he'll do or say something that all but dares Hendry to fire him.

[RynoRules]

I wondered about that too but since I tuned in late, was Theriot even in San Diego last night?

 

Back on topic, I think the reason the Chicago writers aren't talking about Dusty being fired is that they're closer to the situation than the national guys. The Chicago writers seem convinced Baker is going to get an extension despite three plus years of managing the dumbest team in baseball.

 

I'm of the opinion that if Dusty doesn't have his extension by the end of the month he'll do or say something that all but dares Hendry to fire him.

 

That is incorrect. Levine and at least one other source indicated that the Cubs are waiting until the season ends to see where everything is. The original stories said he would get an extension in ST. That has changed.

[badgercub]

I wondered about that too but since I tuned in late, was Theriot even in San Diego last night?

 

Back on topic, I think the reason the Chicago writers aren't talking about Dusty being fired is that they're closer to the situation than the national guys. The Chicago writers seem convinced Baker is going to get an extension despite three plus years of managing the dumbest team in baseball.

 

I'm of the opinion that if Dusty doesn't have his extension by the end of the month he'll do or say something that all but dares Hendry to fire him.

 

Yup, Theriot was there standing on the top stair of the dugout watching the game.

[sethuel1]

 

Yup, Theriot was there standing on the top stair of the dugout watching the game.

 

There's no way he should be allowed to stand that close to the field. he could get hurt.

[Banedon]

I have been really surprised how much this story has picked up with the national media. Chicago writers don't seem to be addressing it, and I'm still not convinced it's really an issue. But it's picking up steam. My guess is that if it's possible, then it won't take much more than another 10 games like the last 10. I don't think it's going to happen though. It's very rare that Hendry makes a personel decision that I want to see happen.

 

Much like you goony, I'm looking at the whole "Will Baker get fired" issue with skeptical hope...

[badger1679666666]

I have been really surprised how much this story has picked up with the national media. Chicago writers don't seem to be addressing it, and I'm still not convinced it's really an issue. But it's picking up steam. My guess is that if it's possible, then it won't take much more than another 10 games like the last 10. I don't think it's going to happen though. It's very rare that Hendry makes a personel decision that I want to see happen.

 

Much like you goony, I'm looking at the whole "Will Baker get fired" issue with skeptical hope...

 

It's just a big tease. He isn't going anywhere but all this talk about it, sure has my hopes up really high.

[LoneStarCubFan]

I wondered about that too but since I tuned in late, was Theriot even in San Diego last night?

 

Back on topic, I think the reason the Chicago writers aren't talking about Dusty being fired is that they're closer to the situation than the national guys. The Chicago writers seem convinced Baker is going to get an extension despite three plus years of managing the dumbest team in baseball.

 

I'm of the opinion that if Dusty doesn't have his extension by the end of the month he'll do or say something that all but dares Hendry to fire him.

 

That is incorrect. Levine and at least one other source indicated that the Cubs are waiting until the season ends to see where everything is. The original stories said he would get an extension in ST. That has changed.

 

One of the beat guys wrote last week that Dusty was going to get an extension and that it was only a matter of time until it was finalized.

 

Things could change I guess, and I hope they do, but I find it hard to believe every single beat guy would miss it if Baker was in trouble.

 

That said, they also may not have enough to go to print with. National guys can get away with throwing stuff on the wall just to see if it will stick. Beat guys can't.

[biittner77]

Is Dusty Baker worse than Don Baylor? I ask because many people see Baker's firing as a step in the right direction. I certainly understand that line of thinking but I wonder if the Cubs can actually do worse than Baker. With names like Lou Piniella and Bobby Valentine being thrown around I can't bring myself to get excited about Baker getting fired.

[goonys evil twin]

One of the beat guys wrote last week that Dusty was going to get an extension and that it was only a matter of time until it was finalized.

 

The guy from the Sun Times wrote:

 

Baker has done a good job to this point of the season. And his critics should be advised that the Cubs are going to offer him a contract extension sooner or later. It's only a matter of choosing the appropriate time.

 

http://www.suntimes.com/output/cubs/cst-spt-cubnt06.html

 

I hate the notion that because there have been obstacles this year you automatically say he's done a good job. The team is playing like crap, and most Baker critics base their criticism on years of watching the guy, not just a couple weeks at the beginning of the season. Baker was the wrong guy at the wrong time when he was brought in, and he's the wrong guy now.

 

But I doubt Hendry sees that.

[Chocolate Milk]

Is Dusty Baker worse than Don Baylor? I ask because many people see Baker's firing as a step in the right direction. I certainly understand that line of thinking but I wonder if the Cubs can actually do worse than Baker. With names like Lou Piniella and Bobby Valentine being thrown around I can't bring myself to get excited about Baker getting fired.

 

This is sort of how I feel. Firing Baker would be great, but I don't have great confidence that the Cubs will hire the right guy.

[badgercub]

Is Dusty Baker worse than Don Baylor? I ask because many people see Baker's firing as a step in the right direction. I certainly understand that line of thinking but I wonder if the Cubs can actually do worse than Baker. With names like Lou Piniella and Bobby Valentine being thrown around I can't bring myself to get excited about Baker getting fired.

 

This is sort of how I feel. Firing Baker would be great, but I don't have great confidence that the Cubs will hire the right guy.

 

Oh what could've been. If Hendry had just seen the error of his ways and fired Baker at the end of last season, Joe Girardi might have ended up in Chicago instead of Florida.

[goonys evil twin]

Is Dusty Baker worse than Don Baylor? I ask because many people see Baker's firing as a step in the right direction. I certainly understand that line of thinking but I wonder if the Cubs can actually do worse than Baker. With names like Lou Piniella and Bobby Valentine being thrown around I can't bring myself to get excited about Baker getting fired.

 

Valentine can manage circles around Baker, and he's done it before (the 2000 playoff series between the Mets and Giants was a classic example of just how poor a strategist Baker is).

[badgercub]

Is Dusty Baker worse than Don Baylor? I ask because many people see Baker's firing as a step in the right direction. I certainly understand that line of thinking but I wonder if the Cubs can actually do worse than Baker. With names like Lou Piniella and Bobby Valentine being thrown around I can't bring myself to get excited about Baker getting fired.

 

This is sort of how I feel. Firing Baker would be great, but I don't have great confidence that the Cubs will hire the right guy.

 

Oh what could've been. If Hendry had just seen the error of his ways and fired Baker at the end of last season, Joe Girardi might have ended up in Chicago instead of Florida.

 

Or Jim Leyland, or Grady Little, or anyone for that matter. It really doesn't matter who they would bring in to finish the season as it will be on an interim basis and the search for a new manager would begin when the season ends.

[neely crenshaw]

i really don't see hendry doing anything unless we actually have a spell like i said could happen(5-25 out of the next 30). dusty insulates hendry from fault. as long as dusty is taking heat, hendry does not catch what he should. dusty will be let go at the end of the season...what we would we say if dusty was fired and he hired another of his guys and they still sucked? then it would obviously jim's fault(which it is)

also we have a 3 time manager of the year in dusty, he is well respected in baseball..if he gets canned by hendry, before we get some of our injuries back..what top notch guy will take this job as long as hendry is running the show? obviously they will not be given what it takes to win and will be blamed when then team loses...even if injuries happen.

best bet let dusty walk, like it was his choice and hope we can get a top guy.....i have to say we are probably looking at bob brenly for 2007

[cheapseats]

Is Dusty Baker worse than Don Baylor? I ask because many people see Baker's firing as a step in the right direction. I certainly understand that line of thinking but I wonder if the Cubs can actually do worse than Baker. With names like Lou Piniella and Bobby Valentine being thrown around I can't bring myself to get excited about Baker getting fired.

 

A manager should teach fundamentals, put the best 9 guys on the field, stay out of the offense's way, and refrain from overusing his pitching staff.

 

Are there any candidates that fit that description?

 

Probably, but until there's a major change in the front office, the Cubs won't hire such a guy.

[wastra]

I just have very little faith that Hendry will make the right personnel move.

 

The real question is how bad does a GM have to be over 3-4 years to NOT get a contract extension?

[goonys evil twin]

ialso we have a 3 time manager of the year in dusty, he is well respected in baseball..if he gets canned by hendry, before we get some of our injuries back..what top notch guy will take this job as long as hendry is running the show?

 

He is well respected in baseball. But he's also laughed at by some. There is a pretty significant crowd that sees past the myth.

[CubinNY]

what top notch guy will take this job as long as hendry is running the show?

 

Hopefully one that wants to win

[badgercub]

also we have a 3 time manager of the year in dusty, he is well respected in baseball..

 

says who? The only reason he got manager of the year was because of the players on the team. Dusty won those in spite of himself. And I always hear these quotes that "Players want to play for Dusty" and he is "well respected" Well if your manager just let you do whatever you wanted without being accountable wouldn't you want to play for him too? And who says he is well respected? Other managers? of course they would say that, because they know if he is in the other dugout it makes their job so much easier.

 

I am not saying Dusty is a bad guy, just a bad manager.

[stitchface]

I think Dusty will make it through 2006 but he won't be back. Until the team struggles with wood, prior, and lee, dusty has an easy excuse. plus, once dusty is gone, the focus of the failures will shift.