Can trading Pie or Guzman be justified?

[CubfaninCA]

considering this team might really struggle this year??

 

Unlike the Cardinals, the Cubs probably aren't going to catch any breaks in the luck department, so it probably takes moving Pie or Guzman to compete til the end, and maybe that won't even do it.

 

At what point do either or both come off the table?

Hypothetically, if the Cubs are .500 in July, and 6 out, do you pull the trigger?

[moorecg]

Guzman. Yes.

 

Pie, only if Miggy Cabrerra (or someone similar is in the deal) or if we sign a centerfielder to a long term deal.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Guzman. Yes.

 

Pie, only if Miggy Cabrerra (or someone similar is in the deal) or if we sign a GOOD centerfielder to a long term deal.

 

Fixed.

[goonys evil twin]

If the right talent was brought back in return, it would not be hard to justify trading away any Cubs prospect.

[CubfaninCA]

Addendum: Marshall's off the table regardless.

[CubfaninCA]

If the right talent was brought back in return, it would not be hard to justify trading away any Cubs prospect.

 

I have to agree.

 

If the Cubs were at .500 & 6 out in July, and could get Abreu for Pie, Guzman and another prospect, I do it. Of course, I don't like to give up w/out a fight. Screw packin it in. :)

[LoneStarCubFan]

No to both.

[RynoRules]

I'd trade Pie plus Hill and Aardsma for Cabrera. Come to think of it, I'd trade more than that.

[Outshined_One]

Depends on the situation.

 

If the Cubs' offense somehow manages to turn it around in the next few weeks and they are actively competing for the wild card or division near the trade deadline, then I'd be open to trading either of them for a bat to put the team over the top.

 

However, if it's a desperation move for some one to provide a spark, I'd only be open to it if the guy they got was going to be under control for at least this season and next season. There's no way I would be open to trading for a rental when this team needs something close to a miracle.

 

I'd be more open to trading Guzman than Pie, though.

[moorecg]

I'd trade Pie plus Hill and Aardsma for Cabrera. Come to think of it, I'd trade more than that.

 

I'd trade damn near any combination of 5 players not named Murton, Cedeno, Ramirez, Lee, Barrett, Prior, Wood, Zambrano or Marshall.

 

ANY combination.

[goonys evil twin]

I'd trade Pie plus Hill and Aardsma for Cabrera. Come to think of it, I'd trade more than that.

 

I'd trade damn near any combination of 5 players not named Murton, Cedeno, Ramirez, Lee, Barrett, Prior, Wood, Zambrano or Marshall.

 

ANY combination.

 

I'm pretty sure I'd throw Marshall into a deal for a stud like Cabrera. Marshall's value is at its absolute peak right now. Coming into the spring he wasn't even considered for a rotation spot. He's enjoying some not so expected success. He's shown enough this season that I wouldn't consider him in some of the deals I would have this past offseason. But you shouldn't let 2 months completely change your view of a player. If Marshall is the hangup in a Cabrera deal, and some of the other pitchers are coming around by then, I'd most likely include him.

[moorecg]

I'd trade Pie plus Hill and Aardsma for Cabrera. Come to think of it, I'd trade more than that.

 

I'd trade damn near any combination of 5 players not named Murton, Cedeno, Ramirez, Lee, Barrett, Prior, Wood, Zambrano or Marshall.

 

ANY combination.

 

I'm pretty sure I'd throw Marshall into a deal for a stud like Cabrera. Marshall's value is at its absolute peak right now. Coming into the spring he wasn't even considered for a rotation spot. He's enjoying some not so expected success. He's shown enough this season that I wouldn't consider him in some of the deals I would have this past offseason. But you shouldn't let 2 months completely change your view of a player. If Marshall is the hangup in a Cabrera deal, and some of the other pitchers are coming around by then, I'd most likely include him.

 

I'd agree with that...he'd be one I'd rather not let go...but if that's what it took...I'd probably do it...I'd say the same thing about Wood and Barrett...but the Marlins aren't going to want any of those guys because they make $$. Basically, I was trying to get accross the point that there is almost nothing I wouldn't give for a young guy like Cabrerra....and then I'd sign him to a 5-6 year deal at about 13-15 and forget about Left Field for a while.

[texascub]

I'd trade Pie plus Hill and Aardsma for Cabrera. Come to think of it, I'd trade more than that.

 

I'd trade damn near any combination of 5 players not named Murton, Cedeno, Ramirez, Lee, Barrett, Prior, Wood, Zambrano or Marshall.

 

ANY combination.

 

I'm pretty sure I'd throw Marshall into a deal for a stud like Cabrera. Marshall's value is at its absolute peak right now. Coming into the spring he wasn't even considered for a rotation spot. He's enjoying some not so expected success. He's shown enough this season that I wouldn't consider him in some of the deals I would have this past offseason. But you shouldn't let 2 months completely change your view of a player. If Marshall is the hangup in a Cabrera deal, and some of the other pitchers are coming around by then, I'd most likely include him.

 

The only reason Marshall wasn't being considered for a spot in the starting rotation coming into the spring was because most of last year was spent in Daytona. He was one of the top SP's in the system last year and he's always had the skills to be this successful.

[Andy]

Addendum: Marshall's off the table regardless.

I agree unless the end result is Miguel Cabrera or similar.

[Mark Priors Calves]

I don't know if the Cubs should trade either one of these guys, but the idea of the Cubs trading either one of these scares me because of who they might get in return.

[Outshined_One]

The only reason Marshall wasn't being considered for a spot in the starting rotation coming into the spring was because most of last year was spent in Daytona. He was one of the top SP's in the system last year and he's always had the skills to be this successful.

 

That and injuries hampered his season shortly after he got called up to AA.

[don_kessinger_was_good]

I'd trade Mark Prior for Miguel Tejada. Oh, wait.....

[soapy]

For the right deal I'd certainly trade either one of them. As highly touted as they are, they are no lock to succeed at the ML level. If you can get a star player (four multiple seasons) then I think you can definitely justify it.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

In the right deal, no one in our system is untouchable. I'd be very hesitant to move Pie. We have a great deal of depth in the pitching area so I'm less worried about moving pitching for the right player.

 

That being said, I'd also be hesitant to make a deal with our young players unless it really appeared this team has a chance. As of right now, I don't believe that we do. In that case, I'd be more apt to move veteran players to acquire young talent and then in the offseason decide which of the young talent to keep and which to spin in deals to build for next season.

 

Unless I'm getting a difference maker that will be signed beyond next season, I do not deal any young players like Guzman or Pie right now. If I could get Cabrera or some one of his ilk, then I would.

[Jehrico]

considering this team might really struggle this year??

 

Unlike the Cardinals, the Cubs probably aren't going to catch any breaks in the luck department, so it probably takes moving Pie or Guzman to compete til the end, and maybe that won't even do it.

 

At what point do either or both come off the table?

Hypothetically, if the Cubs are .500 in July, and 6 out, do you pull the trigger?

 

Depends on who we bring in. An overpriced vet in the twilight of his career like Shawn Green? Heck no. Another promising young corner guy with his prime ahead of him like Conor Jackson? If the extras in the deal made it an even deal, then sure.

[rjchapma]

Im sick of hearing about both of them. Guzman has been injured twice and whenever he comes up gets rocked. Ive heard of Pie for the last 2 years and now this year and hes never been moved up. Get off your but Jim and trade him Guzman and Jaque and get Bobby Abreu or Miguel Cabrera.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Im sick of hearing about both of them. Guzman has been injured twice and whenever he comes up gets rocked. Ive heard of Pie for the last 2 years and now this year and hes never been moved up. Get off your but Jim and trade him Guzman and Jaque and get Bobby Abreu or Miguel Cabrera.

 

Pie is in AAA at 21 years old and has moved up 1 level every season he's been in the organization. He was signed at 16 and began in our system at 17. He is making terrific progress. How can you be sick of hearing about him?

[rjchapma]

Because if he is that good we could get someone better in the major leagues right now. I think he could be good but im sick of Guzman and Pie hasnt proven anything to me yet because he hasnt played in the major leagues yet. So if we want someone legit a legit bat we need to have him and probably Guzman or Hill in that deal as well.

[Mark Priors Calves]

Im sick of hearing about both of them. Guzman has been injured twice and whenever he comes up gets rocked. Ive heard of Pie for the last 2 years and now this year and hes never been moved up. Get off your but Jim and trade him Guzman and Jaque and get Bobby Abreu or Miguel Cabrera.

You realize that he just made his major league debut, right? He's been pretty bad but its not even close to reality to say he's been rocked whenever he comes up. Your logic with Pie is way off base, he hasn't been ready for the big leagues until this season, and that's even questionable. Why rush somebody up just to have them up, let them develop and turn into a polish all around player.

[Backtobanks]

The Cubs seem to be stocked with young pitching. I would trade Hill or Guzman in a second if it would bring us a solid major league bat. I never understood how Hill became an "untouchable". Pie, I would try to hold onto unless we're talking someone like Cabrera.