Restovich and bynum

[larhur]

Can anyone tell me why these players are on our bench, neither can hit, they very seldom contribute to the team, lets gety someone who we at least root for.

[Wild_Cubs04]

Can anyone tell me why these players are on our bench, neither can hit, they very seldom contribute to the team, lets gety someone who we at least root for.

 

Please get rid of "K" Mabry while you are at it please.

[Jehrico]

Can anyone tell me why these players are on our bench, neither can hit, they very seldom contribute to the team, lets gety someone who we at least root for.

 

Please get rid of "K" Mabry while you are at it please.

 

What do you expect out of bench players? I'm not crazy about his stat line either, but if he were good, he'd be able to start for someone like Pitt or KC.

[oldstyle81]

Can anyone tell me why these players are on our bench, neither can hit, they very seldom contribute to the team, lets gety someone who we at least root for.

 

Please get rid of "K" Mabry while you are at it please.

 

He was sent by the cards to destory the cubs, even Corey didnt swing at every pitch like Mabry does

[Wild_Cubs04]

Can anyone tell me why these players are on our bench, neither can hit, they very seldom contribute to the team, lets gety someone who we at least root for.

 

Please get rid of "K" Mabry while you are at it please.

 

What do you expect out of bench players? I'm not crazy about his stat line either, but if he were good, he'd be able to start for someone like Pitt or KC.

 

To at least attemp to make contact? Have you seen him at the plate? The guy is pathetic.

[goonys evil twin]

Can anyone tell me why these players are on our bench, neither can hit, they very seldom contribute to the team, lets gety someone who we at least root for.

 

Please get rid of "K" Mabry while you are at it please.

 

What do you expect out of bench players? I'm not crazy about his stat line either, but if he were good, he'd be able to start for someone like Pitt or KC.

 

I'll tell you what I expect out of bench players, to be better than the Cubs bench players.

 

EVERY SINGLE CUBS BENCH PLAYER HAS AN OPS UNDER 600.

 

EVERY SINGLE CUBS BENCH PLAYER HAS AN OBP UNDER .300.

 

The highest SLG of any Cubs bench player is Mabry's abysmal .345.

 

Cubs pinch hitters have the 7th highest OPS in the NL, but only the 11th highest OBP. And pinch hitting is really only a small portion of those bench players time on the field. Most of their at bats actually come as starters, which just hurts the team even more.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

The entire team sucks, and you want to single out the bench players? Did I mention the whole team sucks?

[goonys evil twin]

The entire team sucks, and you want to single out the bench players? Did I mention the whole team sucks?

 

If you want to get technical, the entire team doesn't suck. There are 4 active position players who have been reasonably productive, and 7 pitchers.

 

But I don't see why it's wrong to point out the bench sucks too. At least with some of the position players, you could reasonably expect an increase from where they are (Ramirez, Pierre). And some of the young pitchers are coming along just fine, not to mention the rehabbers. But there is no hope for the bench, unless a move is made. These are crappy baseball players that are playing crappy baseball. Hendy did a terrible job with the bench this year and some people called him out on it as it happened, only to see their biggest concerns come true (no obp, no power, no RH threat, no potential platoon for the inept Jacque Jones).

[Ding Dong Johnson]

The entire team sucks, and you want to single out the bench players? Did I mention the whole team sucks?

 

If you want to get technical, the entire team doesn't suck. There are 4 active position players who have been reasonably productive, and 7 pitchers.

 

But I don't see why it's wrong to point out the bench sucks too. At least with some of the position players, you could reasonably expect an increase from where they are (Ramirez, Pierre). And some of the young pitchers are coming along just fine, not to mention the rehabbers. But there is no hope for the bench, unless a move is made. These are crappy baseball players that are playing crappy baseball. Hendy did a terrible job with the bench this year and some people called him out on it as it happened, only to see their biggest concerns come true (no obp, no power, no RH threat, no potential platoon for the inept Jacque Jones).

 

Um, we're quicker? We can catch the ball? I know we have a small number of players on the roster carrying their load, but the fact remains that this team sucks. Jones sucks, Pierre sucks, Aramis sucks, Neifi sucks, Hairston sucks. Until the everyday players can step up and produce, I see no good reason to point fingers at the bench players. They're supposed to be inferior to the starters.

[badger1679666666]

I mean there is no way Hendry can look at this bench and say "I did a good job"

 

Neifi

Bynum

Restovich

Mabry

Blanco

 

They are ALL black holes.

 

Throw in mental lapse Hairston, and you have a group worse than the Royals bench probably.

[Wild_Cubs04]

I mean there is no way Hendry can look at this bench and say "I did a good job"

 

Neifi

Bynum

Restovich

Mabry

Blanco

 

They are ALL black holes.

 

Throw in mental lapse Hairston, and you have a group worse than the Royals bench probably.

 

Well said.

[goonys evil twin]

Jones sucks, Pierre sucks, Aramis sucks, Neifi sucks, Hairston sucks. Until the everyday players can step up and produce, I see no good reason to point fingers at the bench players. They're supposed to be inferior to the starters.

 

2 of those players you named are part of the bench.

 

And I think it's rather absurd to request that people hold off any complaints about the bench until the everyday players start hitting better. The bench players have jobs, and they aren't doing them well. That's not entirely unexpected becaue they were all, for the most part, terrible players before this season. But bench players should still bring value. And the bulk of that value has to come from their bat.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

And I think it's rather absurd to request that people hold off any complaints about the bench until the everyday players start hitting better. The bench players have jobs, and they aren't doing them well. That's not entirely unexpected becaue they were all, for the most part, terrible players before this season. But bench players should still bring value. And the bulk of that value has to come from their bat.

 

The absurdity is with the implication that I'm asking anyone to hold off any complaints. I don't care at all who you complain about. I personally do not see a need to rip on something that we all knew was going to be a big weakness going into the season when the regular players are doing so terribly.

[Chocolate Milk]

Neifi Perez plays for this team.

[Wild_Cubs04]

Neifi Perez plays for this team.

 

Not sure I would call it "playing"...more of an attempt. :lol:

[neely crenshaw]

please tell me a team with a great bench!

the cards were held together last year by guys like mabry. please someone tell me that career minor leaguer rodriguez is good for the cards. he couldn't even break in for a cup of coffee and he did a hell of a job. restovich on the other hand was a #1 pick for the twins and once was their top prospect..

being abench player is the toughest job around. you are obviously not a great player(that's why you can't start anywhere) and you sit around and do not hiit game after game then you get to pinch hit...usually in a clutch situation or possibly get a spot start. the toughest thing to do is hit when you do not get regular at bats.

as far as obp goes...we will never have a high one from our bench as long as our bench has neifi, bynum and hairston- not that they are terrible but if they are hitting why would you ever walk them? if you go 2-0 on them a pitcher would be stupid to do anything but throw gut fastballs-i don't even know why you would throw thema breaking ball period...worse case scenario they get a single...chances are they make an out. they are simply not going to draw many walks.

i think we should be more concerned with our everyday lineup being really bad.

[goonys evil twin]

please tell me a team with a great bench!.

 

A "great bench" is relative. There are not great baseball players on the bench. But there are guys who are good at what they do, and bench players need to be as well. The Cardinals have multiple bench players with solid OBPs. In fact, several teams have guys with .330+ OBPs on the bench. And they have HR threats and guys that could challenge for starting jobs on other teams. Most good teams have multiple threats off their bench.

 

The Cubs have no threats.

 

Again,

 

EVERY SINGLE CUBS BENCH PLAYER HAS AN OPS UNDER 600 RIGHT NOW.

 

EVERY SINGLE CUBS BENCH PLAYER HAS AN OBP UNDER .300 RIGHT NOW.

 

At the bare minimum, you want your bench players over the 600 OPS point. 1 or 2 below won't hurt you, but all of them? You'd like to have at least 2 over the 700 threshold. Likewise, you'd like to have all but 1 or 2 over the .300 OBP level, and hopefully at least a couple over .320.

 

Right now, the Cubs best bench players are producing like most teams worst bench players. They are truly awful. And a lot of people expected them to be awful.

 

I'm not asking for a .290/.340/.450 line off the bench (although it's hardly unheard of to get that kind of production). But they absolutely cannot continue with the crap they've gotten so far from this band of bottom feeders.

[goonys evil twin]

i think we should be more concerned with our everyday lineup being really bad.

 

I am more concerned with the lineup. The lineup has been my biggest concern for several years now. But it's okay to have more than one concern at the same time. And it's to point out flaws when they exist.

[biittner77]

If the bench sucked less the team would suck less. The lineup doesn't suck it just was very vulnerable to streakiness. A better bench *might* offset that.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Restovich needs to start against LHP.

[UMFan83]

Well it was obviously a huge mistake to sign Mabry. His bad speed is soooo slow, and he has no idea where the strike zone is anymore. Bad idea if he is your only power threat off the bench (and a weak one at that).

 

Restovich was never supposed to be on this team.

 

Hairston was supposed to platoon with Walker. He's a slight above average hitter, but I think is lacking because of the fact that he never plays.

 

Blanco is a backup catcher and a good play caller.

 

Pagan I really (and still do) have high hopes for, he seemed very competent when he was playing.

 

As constructed the bench was only slightly below average. The key is that Neifi got worse (if thats even possible), there is NO power on the bench, and the bench looks a lot weaker because of the Lee injury.

[neely crenshaw]

the problem we have is that we see these guys every day. we think they suck compered to other teams but plain and simple they are average.

the cards are the team(perhaps the only) that i think has a good bench but let's compare them

first most of their bench players have 40 at bats or more. most of ours have 20. as i said it's tough to hit when you do not get out there regularly.

there best bench player is rodrigues who is really starting now because of bigby's injury. he has all of 75 games under his belt. he is 28 and just made the majors...

luna has hit .278 for the last 3 years...he has 25 walks overthet time

neifi has hit .269 for that time and has 22 walks

both play good d

scott spezio was a great pick up for them we got mabry

ss= .271 average for 50 at bats

mabry= .240 for 29 at bats

this is simply a case of the grass is always greener.....

taguchi is their 4th of'er he has hit .286 for the last years with a obp of .327

restovich has hit .252 but with a .331 obp

bennett the back up catcher is hitting under .200 kind of like blanco

gall there next of is at .200

their utility IF schumaker is hitting .179 not exactly what hairston and neifi have done and he has more at bats than both

 

there simply is not a huge statisical difference between our bench players and the team that i feel has the best bench. looking around the league who has a good bench?

who is really a huge threat off anyone's bench?

julio franco?

ruben sierra?

no one really comes to mind.

[BigbadB]

Mark Bellhorn!

 

Nuff said.

 

There are definitely teams that have a good bench. The Cubs could have had a solid bench, but instead of putting together a solid bench, they threw ridiculous money at the bench players they have, or starters that aren't really any better than platoon players or bench players.

[Rob]

It's times like these we could really use Tom Goodwin, Troy O'Leary, and Doug Glanville...

 

Now repeat after me, "it's not as bad as it could be."

[goonys evil twin]

It's times like these we could really use Tom Goodwin, Troy O'Leary, and Doug Glanville...

 

Now repeat after me, "it's not as bad as it could be."

 

But it is as bad as it's ever been.