Murton to 1B - Pie to Wrigley?

[StMarksCubs]

Read this in the Tribune this morning... I LOVE the idea. Could it actually happen?

[Electron Blue]

hmmm . . . an interesting idea

 

what was the context of the comment? I couldn't find it on the Tribune's online page.

[goonys evil twin]

http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/cs-060427sullyoncubs,1,7816354.story?coll=cs-cubs-headlines

 

You have to do a better job of reading the story and explaining what you read.

 

Pie's future

 

......

The only way to get Pie in the lineup would be to move Matt Murton to first, a position he probably could learn quickly if his smooth ascension from Double A to the majors is any indication. That's not in the cards, however, so Pie is stuck at Iowa—at least for now.

 

There is no indication that it's even a thought in the Cubs minds. It's just an idea written down by Sullivan in an article about how Lee's injury could have lasting effects on many different people.

[erik316wttn]

If you get rid of Jacques Jones you could have Pie and Murton in the same OF.

 

But nobody would take that contract.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I wouldn't mind seeing Pie up, but I'd hope it's because the Cubs just decided that they'd rather have Jacque's 5 million dollar bat on the bench rather than because they want to move Murton to first.

[WindyCity]

If you get rid of Jacques Jones you could have Pie and Murton in the same OF.

 

But nobody would take that contract.

 

Jones can't be dealt till June anyway and I actually think you would find a market for him -- I believe a significant portion of his deal was in the signing bonus.... as long as the Cubs didn't try to pass that cost off on the acquiring team, I'm sure there would be a few GMs interested in JJ @ $3-4mil/year.

 

Didn't the Royals make him the same 3 year / $15mil offer or even offer him more?

[cheapseats]

I wouldn't mind seeing Pie up, but I'd hope it's because the Cubs just decided that they'd rather have Jacque's 5 million dollar bat on the bench rather than because they want to move Murton to first.

 

Jacque's bat is worth $5 million? Is that why it looks funny?

[goonys evil twin]

If you get rid of Jacques Jones you could have Pie and Murton in the same OF.

 

But nobody would take that contract.

 

Jones can't be dealt till June anyway and I actually think you would find a market for him -- I believe a significant portion of his deal was in the signing bonus.... as long as the Cubs didn't try to pass that cost off on the acquiring team, I'm sure there would be a few GMs interested in JJ @ $3-4mil/year.

 

Didn't the Royals make him the same 3 year / $15mil offer or even offer him more?

 

There is not going to be a market for Jones, and Hendry isn't going to try and trade him. KC had an offer, it wasn't accepted, so they went elsewhere. They don't just have $15m laying around they want to spend.

 

Jacque Jones of

3 years/$16M (2006-08 )

 

signed as a free agent 12/05

$4M signing bonus (paid 1/06 to 1/08 )

06:$3M, 07:$4M, 08:$5M

[StMarksCubs]

I wouldn't mind seeing Pie up, but I'd hope it's because the Cubs just decided that they'd rather have Jacque's 5 million dollar bat on the bench rather than because they want to move Murton to first.

 

In the interest of shameless self-promotion, I blogged about this subject today. Have a look over at: http://cubswatch.blogspot.com

[goonys evil twin]

but he's had some real hot hitting streaks for the Cubs and is a capable super-sub (I still wish we had Miguel Cairo, but that's another story). Hairston wants us to believe he's a better player than what we've seen and I generally feel much better with him out of the lineup. I value Neifi over Hairston because Neifi is better in his limited role than Hairston is in either role. Hairston is sub-par as an everyday player, and very sub-par as a bench player and quite honestly, has not made the most of his chances in the lineup.

 

This doesn't hold up to any analysis. Hairston hasn't made the most of his chances in the lineup? Neifi has made less of his chances. You make a lot of claims, but don't back them up with anything substantial. Jerry's current OBP is 133 points higher than Neifi's. He was about 40 points higher last year. How is Neifi better in a limited role? Jerry has played all 3 OF positions for the Cubs, plus 2B. He's more versatile the Neifi, and a better hitter than Neifi. The only thing Neifi does better is play defense at SS, but that's hardly a quality to put one player over another.

 

It seems pretty clear to me that you saw Neifi come up with a couple big hits, then let that cloud your perception of the rest of his time as a Cub.

 

I'm not a big Hairston fan, but it's pretty clear he's better than Neifi.

[Jehrico]

If you get rid of Jacques Jones you could have Pie and Murton in the same OF.

 

But nobody would take that contract.

 

Jones can't be dealt till June anyway and I actually think you would find a market for him -- I believe a significant portion of his deal was in the signing bonus.... as long as the Cubs didn't try to pass that cost off on the acquiring team, I'm sure there would be a few GMs interested in JJ @ $3-4mil/year.

 

Didn't the Royals make him the same 3 year / $15mil offer or even offer him more?

 

There is not going to be a market for Jones, and Hendry isn't going to try and trade him. KC had an offer, it wasn't accepted, so they went elsewhere. They don't just have $15m laying around they want to spend.

 

Jacque Jones of

3 years/$16M (2006-08 )

 

signed as a free agent 12/05

$4M signing bonus (paid 1/06 to 1/08 )

06:$3M, 07:$4M, 08:$5M

If we picked up the bonus and the first half of his salary this year, KC could probably afford $1.5 for this year, then 9 mil over '07 and '08. They could afford it, if it were made worth their while. I'm not sure making it worth their while would be worth it.

[Coach C]

If you get rid of Jacques Jones you could have Pie and Murton in the same OF.

 

But nobody would take that contract.

 

Jones can't be dealt till June anyway and I actually think you would find a market for him -- I believe a significant portion of his deal was in the signing bonus.... as long as the Cubs didn't try to pass that cost off on the acquiring team, I'm sure there would be a few GMs interested in JJ @ $3-4mil/year.

 

Didn't the Royals make him the same 3 year / $15mil offer or even offer him more?

 

There is not going to be a market for Jones, and Hendry isn't going to try and trade him. KC had an offer, it wasn't accepted, so they went elsewhere. They don't just have $15m laying around they want to spend.

 

Jacque Jones of

3 years/$16M (2006-08 )

 

signed as a free agent 12/05

$4M signing bonus (paid 1/06 to 1/08 )

06:$3M, 07:$4M, 08:$5M

If we picked up the bonus and the first half of his salary this year, KC could probably afford $1.5 for this year, then 9 mil over '07 and '08. They could afford it, if it were made worth their while. I'm not sure making it worth their while would be worth it.

 

I think that depends on what KC will do with their payroll. I get the gut feeling that if the Royals repeat like their performance in 2005 or worse, I think they'll probably shave off some of the payroll, which I don't think they'll have any wiggle room to try to get Jones.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

but he's had some real hot hitting streaks for the Cubs and is a capable super-sub (I still wish we had Miguel Cairo, but that's another story). Hairston wants us to believe he's a better player than what we've seen and I generally feel much better with him out of the lineup. I value Neifi over Hairston because Neifi is better in his limited role than Hairston is in either role. Hairston is sub-par as an everyday player, and very sub-par as a bench player and quite honestly, has not made the most of his chances in the lineup.

 

This doesn't hold up to any analysis. Hairston hasn't made the most of his chances in the lineup? Neifi has made less of his chances. You make a lot of claims, but don't back them up with anything substantial. Jerry's current OBP is 133 points higher than Neifi's. He was about 40 points higher last year. How is Neifi better in a limited role? Jerry has played all 3 OF positions for the Cubs, plus 2B. He's more versatile the Neifi, and a better hitter than Neifi. The only thing Neifi does better is play defense at SS, but that's hardly a quality to put one player over another.

 

It seems pretty clear to me that you saw Neifi come up with a couple big hits, then let that cloud your perception of the rest of his time as a Cub.

 

I'm not a big Hairston fan, but it's pretty clear he's better than Neifi.

 

Who are you quoting?

[E.J.]

but he's had some real hot hitting streaks for the Cubs and is a capable super-sub (I still wish we had Miguel Cairo, but that's another story). Hairston wants us to believe he's a better player than what we've seen and I generally feel much better with him out of the lineup. I value Neifi over Hairston because Neifi is better in his limited role than Hairston is in either role. Hairston is sub-par as an everyday player, and very sub-par as a bench player and quite honestly, has not made the most of his chances in the lineup.

 

This doesn't hold up to any analysis. Hairston hasn't made the most of his chances in the lineup? Neifi has made less of his chances. You make a lot of claims, but don't back them up with anything substantial. Jerry's current OBP is 133 points higher than Neifi's. He was about 40 points higher last year. How is Neifi better in a limited role? Jerry has played all 3 OF positions for the Cubs, plus 2B. He's more versatile the Neifi, and a better hitter than Neifi. The only thing Neifi does better is play defense at SS, but that's hardly a quality to put one player over another.

 

It seems pretty clear to me that you saw Neifi come up with a couple big hits, then let that cloud your perception of the rest of his time as a Cub.

 

I'm not a big Hairston fan, but it's pretty clear he's better than Neifi.

 

Who are you quoting?

 

Do you think Goony wrote the original quote and then argued against the quote? Wouldn't put it past him. :D

[goonys evil twin]

Who are you quoting?

 

Do you think Goony wrote the original quote and then argued against the quote? Wouldn't put it past him. :D

 

 

In the interest of shameless self-promotion, I blogged about this subject today. Have a look over at: http://cubswatch.blogspot.com

[StMarksCubs]

but he's had some real hot hitting streaks for the Cubs and is a capable super-sub (I still wish we had Miguel Cairo, but that's another story). Hairston wants us to believe he's a better player than what we've seen and I generally feel much better with him out of the lineup. I value Neifi over Hairston because Neifi is better in his limited role than Hairston is in either role. Hairston is sub-par as an everyday player, and very sub-par as a bench player and quite honestly, has not made the most of his chances in the lineup.

 

This doesn't hold up to any analysis. Hairston hasn't made the most of his chances in the lineup? Neifi has made less of his chances. You make a lot of claims, but don't back them up with anything substantial. Jerry's current OBP is 133 points higher than Neifi's. He was about 40 points higher last year. How is Neifi better in a limited role? Jerry has played all 3 OF positions for the Cubs, plus 2B. He's more versatile the Neifi, and a better hitter than Neifi. The only thing Neifi does better is play defense at SS, but that's hardly a quality to put one player over another.

 

It seems pretty clear to me that you saw Neifi come up with a couple big hits, then let that cloud your perception of the rest of his time as a Cub.

 

I'm not a big Hairston fan, but it's pretty clear he's better than Neifi.

 

Who are you quoting?

 

Do you think Goony wrote the original quote and then argued against the quote? Wouldn't put it past him. :D

 

I wrote that in a blog this morning. And, I agree the numbers do tell a different story, but I didn't feel like letting the numbers do the talking. If I've seen Neifi get some big hits, but overall produce a lower OBP than Hairston (who I've never seen get a big hit), am I wrong in stating a personal preference for one over the other?

[Geech]

Yes.

[StMarksCubs]

Yes.

 

No.

[goonys evil twin]

Yes.

 

No.

 

There's nothing wrong with stating your personal preference. Where you're wrong is in your claims that Neifi is better, and that Hairston hasn't made the most of his chances, while Neifi has been so much worse.

[Andy]

Yes.

 

No.

Perhaps.

[A New Era]

Yes.

 

No.

 

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[BRASKYS SCOTCH]

Yes.

 

No.

 

NO, Yes! Yes, Yes! Ah, ah ah, Kiss me! AAHHHHH!! Your helmet is so big!

 

"May the Schwwaaaaaartz be with you!"

[NCCubFan]

"May the Schwwaaaaaartz be with you!"

Ah, Spaceballs. Dark Helmet, Pizza the Hut, Master Yogurt, etc. I love Mel Brooks movies.