Prior and Wood updates

[scs_paradise]

Ok, back on topic.

 

Wood will make his second minor league rehab start on Friday for Triple-A Iowa. He was dominant in five scoreless innings for Class A Peoria, striking out 12 batters on Sunday. "I heard Woody threw outstanding," manager Dusty Baker said. "He threw a dynamite fastball, electric breaking ball. He struck out a whole bunch of people and had great control. They gave him a standing ovation."

(Updated 05/09/2006).

[badger1679666666]

Who's going to Iowa to give us reports? Wood is about the only exciting thing going on with this team right now.

[goonys evil twin]

Who's going to Iowa to give us reports? Wood is about the only exciting thing going on with this team right now.

 

Wood, and the very slow momentum behind the Dusty/Fired story is about it. That the the next inevitable personel move, whether it's a big trade, minor trade, or another callup of a utility man.

 

I am also looking forward to the off-day on May 15. That should be cool.

[Chocolate Milk]

Who's going to Iowa to give us reports? Wood is about the only exciting thing going on with this team right now.

 

Wood, and the very slow momentum behind the Dusty/Fired story is about it. That the the next inevitable personel move, whether it's a big trade, minor trade, or another callup of a utility man.

 

I hear we're in the market for a scrappy middle infielder!!!!

[badger1679666666]

Who's going to Iowa to give us reports? Wood is about the only exciting thing going on with this team right now.

 

Wood, and the very slow momentum behind the Dusty/Fired story is about it. That the the next inevitable personel move, whether it's a big trade, minor trade, or another callup of a utility man.

 

I hear we're in the market for a speedy middle infielder, who can't get on base!!!!

 

Fixed your post.

[Jon]

Cubs.com[/url]"]In other injury news, Cubs pitcher Mark Prior threw 25 pitches in batting practice Tuesday in Mesa, Ariz., and will likely throw in a simulated game next, Cubs pitching coach Larry Rothschild said Tuesday.

 

"If he's all right, we'll probably put together a program in the next couple days," Rothschild said.

 

Prior is rehabbing from a strained muscle in his right shoulder, which he felt in March.

 

Kerry Wood, also coming back from a shoulder injury, will start for Triple-A Iowa on Friday in his second rehab start and is expected to then join the big-league team May 17.

[Sammy Sofa]

I hate that I can't get excited about seeing Wood, Prior and even Miller come back and maybe be on their game. To see them pitch near, at or above their career levels would just be so [expletive] disheartening with the offense on the verge of scoring negative runs on a daily basis.

[UMFan83]

So he's just now getting to Simulated games. Man he's at least a month away

[wvcbxl]

Baseball's a situational game. An authoritative approach is unwise, especially when you're dealing with multi-millionaires ...

 

Is that you, Dusty? :wink: :lol: :lol:

[soapy]

Cubs.com[/url]"]In other injury news, Cubs pitcher Mark Prior threw 25 pitches in batting practice Tuesday in Mesa, Ariz., and will likely throw in a simulated game next, Cubs pitching coach Larry Rothschild said Tuesday.

 

"If he's all right, we'll probably put together a program in the next couple days," Rothschild said.

 

Prior is rehabbing from a strained muscle in his right shoulder, which he felt in March.

 

Kerry Wood, also coming back from a shoulder injury, will start for Triple-A Iowa on Friday in his second rehab start and is expected to then join the big-league team May 17.

 

25 pitches? :?

[E.J.]

Cubs.com[/url]"]In other injury news, Cubs pitcher Mark Prior threw 25 pitches in batting practice Tuesday in Mesa, Ariz., and will likely throw in a simulated game next, Cubs pitching coach Larry Rothschild said Tuesday.

 

"If he's all right, we'll probably put together a program in the next couple days," Rothschild said.

 

Prior is rehabbing from a strained muscle in his right shoulder, which he felt in March.

 

Kerry Wood, also coming back from a shoulder injury, will start for Triple-A Iowa on Friday in his second rehab start and is expected to then join the big-league team May 17.

 

25 pitches? :?

 

Yeah right. I guess we'll see him after the All-Star break (if then) with the pace he's going.

[Jon]

Cubs.com[/url]"]In other injury news, Cubs pitcher Mark Prior threw 25 pitches in batting practice Tuesday in Mesa, Ariz., and will likely throw in a simulated game next, Cubs pitching coach Larry Rothschild said Tuesday.

 

"If he's all right, we'll probably put together a program in the next couple days," Rothschild said.

 

Prior is rehabbing from a strained muscle in his right shoulder, which he felt in March.

 

Kerry Wood, also coming back from a shoulder injury, will start for Triple-A Iowa on Friday in his second rehab start and is expected to then join the big-league team May 17.

 

25 pitches? :?

This was post-food poisoning and 3 days after throwing his previous bullpen session, not 5 days.

[soapy]

Cubs.com[/url]"]In other injury news, Cubs pitcher Mark Prior threw 25 pitches in batting practice Tuesday in Mesa, Ariz., and will likely throw in a simulated game next, Cubs pitching coach Larry Rothschild said Tuesday.

 

"If he's all right, we'll probably put together a program in the next couple days," Rothschild said.

 

Prior is rehabbing from a strained muscle in his right shoulder, which he felt in March.

 

Kerry Wood, also coming back from a shoulder injury, will start for Triple-A Iowa on Friday in his second rehab start and is expected to then join the big-league team May 17.

 

25 pitches? :?

This was post-food poisoning and 3 days after throwing his previous bullpen session, not 5 days.

 

Yeah, but it's just getting frustrating at this point.

 

"If he's all right, we'll probably put together a program in the next couple days,"

 

IF he's alright, we'll probably put together a program? This just sounds very sketchy to me. It's basically a 25 pitch side session. Why are there still questions about him feeling "all right" after throwing 25 pitches? I just don't like the sound of it.

[Jon]

"If he's all right, we'll probably put together a program in the next couple days,"

 

IF he's alright, we'll probably put together a program? This just sounds very sketchy to me. It's basically a 25 pitch side session. Why are there still questions about him feeling "all right" after throwing 25 pitches? I just don't like the sound of it.

I think that's pretty typical for Rothschild right now. He's really trying hard not to say anything other than what the immediate next step is.

 

There's probably a little concern about him getting back on the mound, but he may have also just been referring to the illness.

[Neuby]

Man I am getting really tired of Prior taking so long a shore shoulder should not put him behind whats looking like three months into the season at least. Edited May 10, 2006 by Neuby

[badger1679666666]

25 pitches? Why is he regressing if he still aims to be back in May? I wouldn't be shocked if Miller AND Lee came back before Prior did. What the hell is going on.

[CubfaninCA]

Dear Prior, get back on the roids.

[CubsWin]

Win, I'll give you credit. You are possibly the only Cub fan I know who justifies the Wood in relief decision.

 

Even though you're wrong, you stick your guns.

 

:wink:

And the funny thing is, I will only stick to my guns until someone can poke holes in the logic surrounding their decision.

 

sarcasm?

No, honesty.

 

I mean it. I didn't base my opinion of this move on anything other than the logic at the time the decision was made. To base it on anything else, anything including any hindsight would be unfair.

 

If someone can engage the facts and logic that I have laid out and show how it is either incomplete or faulty, I will gladly alter my opinion.

 

dude, that's all the last two pages of this thread is.

 

there were TONS of people who said it was a bad idea last year when it was going on, so it's not hindsight.

 

i started to respond to each one of your 'points' and then i get to stuff about matt lawton and what if's involving players that weren't on the team last year, and i realized that you're either stubbornly grasping at straws or just trolling. either way, i decided it wasn't worth it.

This truly saddens me. This is the first time I've ever been accused of trolling. And it only took 2700+ posts for it to happen. I'm doing my best to have an honest conversation, no personal comments in it at all and this is what I get back. It seems like, if you have a different view on a subject on this board, some people are so closed-minded that they can't bring themselves to even consider the validity of your points.

 

The points I made were logically sound, made in good faith but possibly not fully informed. If new information was brought to light, it could change their validity, but based on the info that had been introduced into the discussion, no one has poked holes in anything. JonMDavis gave an excellent response. Very thoughtful and I intend on responding to it in a PM to him as to not furthur hijack this thread. But I felt I had to respond to this one because it made me so sad to put so much effort into responding to people's counter-arguments, only to be accused of being a troll because I wasn't swayed by the simple restatement of previous arguments and ridicule that I received.

 

Hindsight was introduced not to say that no one disagreed with the Wood desicion at the time it was made. I know they did. I was here. It was made because people were using facts that happened afterwards, like the Cubs didn't make the playoffs, he only pitched 12 innings and the like. Using that type of stuff to make your argument is using hindsight and what's worse is, I think you know it.

 

People please, if you aren't willing to have an open and honest discussion, please don't join in on one. Please let's disagree. But lets also read fully the other person's points and actually consider the possibility that they might be right. Not only does it make for a much more enjoyable and fruitful discussion in which we might learn something from each other, but it is actually the American thing to do, the democratic thing to do. Its good citizenship. And I think we could all use a little practice in that.

[CubfaninCA]

Win, I'll give you credit. You are possibly the only Cub fan I know who justifies the Wood in relief decision.

 

Even though you're wrong, you stick your guns.

 

:wink:

And the funny thing is, I will only stick to my guns until someone can poke holes in the logic surrounding their decision.

 

The holes have been poked, your refusal to acknowledge that doesn't mean they don't exist.

I've read the responses. I haven't seen it. I am more than willing to have you help me see it.

 

All I have read to date is a restating of the same argument that I previously addressed and, I believe, effectively countered with the logic and facts I have put forth.

 

No one has shown that being 4 games back with two months to play was too big of a deficit and the Cubs were foolish to try to overcome it.

 

No one has shown that the potential harm of missing Wood for a month this season is any greater than a few wins.

 

No one has shown that it was completely knowable that Matt Lawton would fail as much as he did as a lead-off hitter.

 

No one has chosen the hypothetical, yet basically equal, option of voluntarily sitting Howry this season if the Cubs find themselves 4 games out of the wildcard on July 31st.

 

And no one has shown why not shutting Wood down last season put Kerry's health in more danger than it already was.

 

That's what poking holes in my argument would look like. Wouldn't it? But no one has done any of that.

 

All we have here is the difference of point of view. Some fans looked at the Cubs chances on July 31st from a more pessimistic view and saw little to no chance of the Cubs coming back, and thus, the decision to gamble with Wood was utterly pointless. I completely understand this point of view. If I shared in their pessimism, I would agree completely. But I don't.

 

I know that it wasn't a high percentage play, but I also know that strange and unexpected things happen quite often in baseball. Injuries occur. Fortunes turn on a dime. The moderately pessimistic view of the Cubs chances on July 31st didn't allow for those possibilities, but I'm glad that Hendry's and Baker's view did. I still would have shelved Wood earlier than they did, but not at the beginning of August. No way.

 

they were only 4 back?? i thought it was more? if so, there's just no way you can tell competitors like lee, walker, nomar, aram, maddux, z, prior & dempster that you're shutting down a guy who could dominate out of the pen.

[Neuby]

I fully stand by the choice to have Wood pitch in relief last year. Aftert almost a hundred years of sucking they had to get something out of Wood last year for the money he was paid. Throwing in the towel when Wood could help you out bullpen would have been a punch in the face for those of that support this team year and out. Wood hurt his Knee, his side, and Oscar Acosta's death have all played roles in him not being here to start the season not just the waiting an extra two weeks last season for surgery.

Prior wasn't pitching in relief last year had no surgies and is still way behind.

[Sammy Sofa]

Has anyone seen if Prior's calves have deflated? Hmmmmmmmm...

[CubfaninCA]

Has anyone seen if Prior's calves have deflated? Hmmmmmmmm...

 

no kidding. he was a pretty big guy coming out of usc.

[Sammy Sofa]

Like Popeye doing a handstand.

[XZero771679666304]

I fully stand by the choice to have Wood pitch in relief last year. Aftert almost a hundred years of sucking they had to get something out of Wood last year for the money he was paid. Throwing in the towel when Wood could help you out bullpen would have been a punch in the face for those of that support this team year and out. Wood hurt his Knee, his side, and Oscar Acosta's death have all played roles in him not being here to start the season not just the waiting an extra two weeks last season for surgery.

Prior wasn't pitching in relief last year had no surgies and is still way behind.

 

I thought the surgery was delayed a month, not two weeks. I could be wrong.

 

Anyway, I've lived and died with this team for my entire life, and I was pissed when they put him in the pen, and I'm more pissed now. I would much rather have had him in April and May than the brief outings in the pen in a season that was already lost last year. I consider much more of a slap in the face that he isn't on the big club right now than I would have had they conceded in August last year. Just because you're not mathematically eliminated doesn't necessarily mean you're still in it, and the Cubs didn't have much of a shot at that point.

 

Besides, how much help did they think Wood was going to give in the pen? That role sure wasn't a difference maker.

 

And Prior's problems and Wood's problems have nothing to do with each other.

[brinoch]

they were only 4 back?? i thought it was more? if so, there's just no way you can tell competitors like lee, walker, nomar, aram, maddux, z, prior & dempster that you're shutting down a guy who could dominate out of the pen.

 

Yes, but they were also behind 4 other teams.