Steve Stone on The Score

[cubfan1955]

Lee is out. Pagan is out. Ramirez and Jones have already missed time. Eyre is injured. Miller, Wood and Prior are all on the DL. Ramirez is one tweaked muscle away from joining DLee on the DL. How does that Cub lineup look with both Aram and DLee not in it?

 

Everyone should keep watching though because it isn't everyday you get to witness a trainwreck like the one you're going to get to see shortly. It's going to get ugly very quick...

 

On the plus side we will get a boffo draft pick in June 2007. :twisted:

 

What's the cubs record? Last I checked, it was 9-5.

Check back in two weeks.

 

I want to believe. I just don't. Sorry. :cry:

 

We are going to miss Lee's defense more than people think. With his height and wide wing span he routinely catches balls that are going to be in the first base stands with anyone else over there not to mention the balls he scoops out of the dirt. Teams are going to have to issue catchers masks to the spectators behind first base for the forseeable future. Oh yeah, he's pretty good fielding batted balls too.

 

I also don't understand people believing we're going to get anything out of Wood, Prior, and Miller right off the bat. Prior was healthy last year and while not horrible he was lucky to get through 5 innings in under 100 pitches. And Wood has always been that way.

 

And even with an upcoming schedule that doesn't appear to be a that tough, when have the Cubs shown any signs of being able to beat the bad teams regularly?

 

It's not koolaid. I just don't think the world is about to end...

I agree. The world isn't about to end. It's baseball. Not life or death.

[rjchapma]

I agree with Stones statment.

[Blueheart05]

Lee is out. Pagan is out. Ramirez and Jones have already missed time. Eyre is injured. Miller, Wood and Prior are all on the DL. Ramirez is one tweaked muscle away from joining DLee on the DL. How does that Cub lineup look with both Aram and DLee not in it?

 

Everyone should keep watching though because it isn't everyday you get to witness a trainwreck like the one you're going to get to see shortly. It's going to get ugly very quick...

 

On the plus side we will get a boffo draft pick in June 2007. :twisted:

 

What's the cubs record? Last I checked, it was 9-5.

I also don't understand people believing we're going to get anything out of Wood, Prior, and Miller right off the bat. Prior was healthy last year and while not horrible he was lucky to get through 5 innings in under 100 pitches. And Wood has always been that way.

 

 

Losing DLee is bad but there's no reason to exaggerate the problems and prospects for improvement. Wood has not "always" had problems getting out of the 5th inning. From 2001-03 he averaged just about 200 IP. Also, Prior wasn't completely healthy last year.

 

I don't expect that the pitchers will return with the ability to go 7 innings right away. The difference is this year's bullpen is less likely to surrender leads late. Wood, Prior, and Miller will be an improvement on the current rotation.

[cubfan1955]

Lee is out. Pagan is out. Ramirez and Jones have already missed time. Eyre is injured. Miller, Wood and Prior are all on the DL. Ramirez is one tweaked muscle away from joining DLee on the DL. How does that Cub lineup look with both Aram and DLee not in it?

 

Everyone should keep watching though because it isn't everyday you get to witness a trainwreck like the one you're going to get to see shortly. It's going to get ugly very quick...

 

On the plus side we will get a boffo draft pick in June 2007. :twisted:

 

What's the cubs record? Last I checked, it was 9-5.

I also don't understand people believing we're going to get anything out of Wood, Prior, and Miller right off the bat. Prior was healthy last year and while not horrible he was lucky to get through 5 innings in under 100 pitches. And Wood has always been that way.

 

 

Losing DLee is bad but there's no reason to exaggerate the problems and prospects for improvement. Wood has not "always" had problems getting out of the 5th inning. From 2001-03 he averaged just about 200 IP. Also, Prior wasn't completely healthy last year.

 

I don't expect that the pitchers will return with the ability to go 7 innings right away. The difference is this year's bullpen is less likely to surrender leads late. Wood, Prior, and Miller will be an improvement on the current rotation.

 

I was referring to Woods high pitch count, not getting out of the 5th inning.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Losing DLee is bad but there's no reason to exaggerate the problems and prospects for improvement. Wood has not "always" had problems getting out of the 5th inning. From 2001-03 he averaged just about 200 IP. Also, Prior wasn't completely healthy last year.

 

I don't expect that the pitchers will return with the ability to go 7 innings right away. The difference is this year's bullpen is less likely to surrender leads late. Wood, Prior, and Miller will be an improvement on the current rotation.

 

I was referring to Woods high pitch count, not getting out of the 5th inning.

 

I believe she was as well. 200+ IP over 33 starts is more than a 6 inning average. The numbers don't support your claim. 2002, he averaged 6.48 IP/start, 2003 was 6.59, and he was at 6.38 in 2004.

[Blueheart05]

Lee is out. Pagan is out. Ramirez and Jones have already missed time. Eyre is injured. Miller, Wood and Prior are all on the DL. Ramirez is one tweaked muscle away from joining DLee on the DL. How does that Cub lineup look with both Aram and DLee not in it?

 

Everyone should keep watching though because it isn't everyday you get to witness a trainwreck like the one you're going to get to see shortly. It's going to get ugly very quick...

 

On the plus side we will get a boffo draft pick in June 2007. :twisted:

 

What's the cubs record? Last I checked, it was 9-5.

I also don't understand people believing we're going to get anything out of Wood, Prior, and Miller right off the bat. Prior was healthy last year and while not horrible he was lucky to get through 5 innings in under 100 pitches. And Wood has always been that way.

 

 

Losing DLee is bad but there's no reason to exaggerate the problems and prospects for improvement. Wood has not "always" had problems getting out of the 5th inning. From 2001-03 he averaged just about 200 IP. Also, Prior wasn't completely healthy last year.

 

I don't expect that the pitchers will return with the ability to go 7 innings right away. The difference is this year's bullpen is less likely to surrender leads late. Wood, Prior, and Miller will be an improvement on the current rotation.

 

I was referring to Woods high pitch count, not getting out of the 5th inning.

 

It seems to me that they aren't mutually exclusive. A high pitch count would prevent a pitcher from going deep into a game. In either case, your assertion hasn't always been true for Wood.

[cubfan1955]

Lee is out. Pagan is out. Ramirez and Jones have already missed time. Eyre is injured. Miller, Wood and Prior are all on the DL. Ramirez is one tweaked muscle away from joining DLee on the DL. How does that Cub lineup look with both Aram and DLee not in it?

 

Everyone should keep watching though because it isn't everyday you get to witness a trainwreck like the one you're going to get to see shortly. It's going to get ugly very quick...

 

On the plus side we will get a boffo draft pick in June 2007. :twisted:

 

What's the cubs record? Last I checked, it was 9-5.

I also don't understand people believing we're going to get anything out of Wood, Prior, and Miller right off the bat. Prior was healthy last year and while not horrible he was lucky to get through 5 innings in under 100 pitches. And Wood has always been that way.

 

 

Losing DLee is bad but there's no reason to exaggerate the problems and prospects for improvement. Wood has not "always" had problems getting out of the 5th inning. From 2001-03 he averaged just about 200 IP. Also, Prior wasn't completely healthy last year.

 

I don't expect that the pitchers will return with the ability to go 7 innings right away. The difference is this year's bullpen is less likely to surrender leads late. Wood, Prior, and Miller will be an improvement on the current rotation.

 

I was referring to Woods high pitch count, not getting out of the 5th inning.

 

It seems to me that they aren't mutually exclusive. A high pitch count would prevent a pitcher from going deep into a game. In either case, your assertion hasn't always been true for Wood.

 

No, it means when Wood goes deep into a game he throws an excessive amount of pitches. And he throws a LOT of pitches when he doesn't go deep into a game. Check out the number one and two pitchers in pitch counts in 2003, their last healthy year.

[Blueheart05]

Lee is out. Pagan is out. Ramirez and Jones have already missed time. Eyre is injured. Miller, Wood and Prior are all on the DL. Ramirez is one tweaked muscle away from joining DLee on the DL. How does that Cub lineup look with both Aram and DLee not in it?

 

Everyone should keep watching though because it isn't everyday you get to witness a trainwreck like the one you're going to get to see shortly. It's going to get ugly very quick...

 

On the plus side we will get a boffo draft pick in June 2007. :twisted:

 

What's the cubs record? Last I checked, it was 9-5.

I also don't understand people believing we're going to get anything out of Wood, Prior, and Miller right off the bat. Prior was healthy last year and while not horrible he was lucky to get through 5 innings in under 100 pitches. And Wood has always been that way.

 

 

Losing DLee is bad but there's no reason to exaggerate the problems and prospects for improvement. Wood has not "always" had problems getting out of the 5th inning. From 2001-03 he averaged just about 200 IP. Also, Prior wasn't completely healthy last year.

 

I don't expect that the pitchers will return with the ability to go 7 innings right away. The difference is this year's bullpen is less likely to surrender leads late. Wood, Prior, and Miller will be an improvement on the current rotation.

 

I was referring to Woods high pitch count, not getting out of the 5th inning.

 

It seems to me that they aren't mutually exclusive. A high pitch count would prevent a pitcher from going deep into a game. In either case, your assertion hasn't always been true for Wood.

 

No, it means when Wood goes deep into a game he throws an excessive amount of pitches. And he throws a LOT of pitches when he doesn't go deep into a game. Check out the number one and two pitchers in pitch counts in 2003, their last healthy year.

 

 

I know where he and Prior ranked. You were talking about him not getting out of the 5th inning and now you're switching it up.

 

...Prior was healthy last year and while not horrible he was lucky to get through 5 innings in under 100 pitches. And Wood has always been that way.

[Andy]

I disagree. The competition isn't that tough in the NL and this team still should be able to score 3 to 4 runs a game. Obviously, Aramis will have to start hitting but there are other useful hitters in the lineup who can contribute offensively. There will be a reduction of power over the entire period Lee is out but I still think they can score runs. With the exception of 2 or 3 games, homeruns haven't been the Cubs MO. There's no doubt that they'll have a lot more close games (than blowouts).

 

Man I wish I drank the koolaid that you drink.

 

It's not koolaid. I just don't think the world is about to end...

 

I don't think the world is gonna end either.

Now if the Cubs actually won a World Series this year...then maybe the world would end. :wink:

[Laura]

BTW, Murph said that Stone would be on the Score again at the top of the hour.

 

I won't be here to listen then. :(

[cubfan1955]

I know where he and Prior ranked. You were talking about him not getting out of the 5th inning and now you're switching it up.

 

...Prior was healthy last year and while not horrible he was lucky to get through 5 innings in under 100 pitches. And Wood has always been that way.

 

See the quote? What don't you understand about the part that reads "get through 5 innings in under 100 pitches"? I never said he couldn't get out of the 5th inning but that he has a high pitch count through 5 innings.

[Blueheart05]

I know where he and Prior ranked. You were talking about him not getting out of the 5th inning and now you're switching it up.

 

...Prior was healthy last year and while not horrible he was lucky to get through 5 innings in under 100 pitches. And Wood has always been that way.

 

See the quote? What don't you understand about the part that reads "get through 5 innings in under 100 pitches"? I never said he couldn't get out of the 5th inning but that he has a high pitch count through 5 innings.

 

I see it and the implication was that neither could go deep into games. As I said earlier, it isn't as big of a concern because the Cubs have a better bullpen than they've had in recent history.

[cubfan1955]

I know where he and Prior ranked. You were talking about him not getting out of the 5th inning and now you're switching it up.

 

...Prior was healthy last year and while not horrible he was lucky to get through 5 innings in under 100 pitches. And Wood has always been that way.

 

See the quote? What don't you understand about the part that reads "get through 5 innings in under 100 pitches"? I never said he couldn't get out of the 5th inning but that he has a high pitch count through 5 innings.

 

I see it and the implication was that neither could go deep into games. As I said earlier, it isn't as big of a concern because the Cubs have a better bullpen than they've had in recent history.

 

I agree with that. That alone should make Wood and Prior better off. Still though, without Lee, the rest of this team has to be almost perfect and injury free to have a chance. Could it happen? Sure it could...but since when does anything go the Cubs way?

[Blueheart05]

BTW, Murph said that Stone would be on the Score again at the top of the hour.

 

I won't be here to listen then. :(

 

Stone's on right now.

[soccer10k]

Stone sounds fairly optimistic about the Cubs. He brought up the fact that we have a weak schedule coming up and said he would play Hairston at second and Walker at first.

[cubfan1955]

I wonder where Morrissey gets his rumors?

 

Take it for what it is worth:

 

Apr 20 According to The Chicago Tribune's Rick Morrissey, rumors are popping up that the Chicago Cubs could acquire 1B Doug Mientkiewicz from the Kansas City Royals to fill the void left by 1B Derrek Lee (wrist) being out two to three months.

 

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/5775/news

[USSoccer]

I wonder where Morrissey gets his rumors?

 

Take it for what it is worth:

 

Apr 20 According to The Chicago Tribune's Rick Morrissey, rumors are popping up that the Chicago Cubs could acquire 1B Doug Mientkiewicz from the Kansas City Royals to fill the void left by 1B Derrek Lee (wrist) being out two to three months.

 

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/5775/news

 

The problem there is that Eyechart can only play 1B.

[soccer10k]

I wonder where Morrissey gets his rumors?

 

Take it for what it is worth:

 

Apr 20 According to The Chicago Tribune's Rick Morrissey, rumors are popping up that the Chicago Cubs could acquire 1B Doug Mientkiewicz from the Kansas City Royals to fill the void left by 1B Derrek Lee (wrist) being out two to three months.

 

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/5775/news

 

The problem there is that Eyechart can only play 1B.

 

And he hits like a pitcher.

[BCVM22]

The problem there is that Eyechart can only play 1B.

 

The fact that he can't hit poses a few problems too.

 

D'oh.

[USSoccer]

I wonder where Morrissey gets his rumors?

 

Take it for what it is worth:

 

Apr 20 According to The Chicago Tribune's Rick Morrissey, rumors are popping up that the Chicago Cubs could acquire 1B Doug Mientkiewicz from the Kansas City Royals to fill the void left by 1B Derrek Lee (wrist) being out two to three months.

 

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/5775/news

 

The problem there is that Eyechart can only play 1B.

 

And he hits like a pitcher.

 

The obvious benefit to it would be that he's pretty strong defensively.

 

I think there are better options out there. Gload, Wilson, Clark, Choi, Graffanino...

[cubfan1955]

I wonder where Morrissey gets his rumors?

 

Take it for what it is worth:

 

Apr 20 According to The Chicago Tribune's Rick Morrissey, rumors are popping up that the Chicago Cubs could acquire 1B Doug Mientkiewicz from the Kansas City Royals to fill the void left by 1B Derrek Lee (wrist) being out two to three months.

 

http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/players/5775/news

 

The problem there is that Eyechart can only play 1B.

 

And he hits like a pitcher.

 

Which means it will probably happen. :evil:

[Blueheart05]

Stone's comments:

 

Hairston at 2B and Walker at 1B is ideal depending on the pitcher.

 

Hee Sop Choi is not the answer

 

("if Hee Sop Choi is the answer I don't know the question"):lol: :lol: :lol:

 

Henski's salary makes him someone the team wants to move.

 

Call FL about Cabrera to find out his status. Miggy can play LF or any other spot when Lee returns.

 

Mike Sweeny or Mientkiewicz may be available. Sweeny's being paid 25% of the team's salary. They need pitching.

 

Craig Wilson is a possibility

 

Hendry would have to pay 150% to get 100%. The solution now is to bring someone up (Restovich).

 

Aramis has to step up and perform like the hitter he's capable of being

Edited April 21, 2006 by Blueheart05

[da bears]

I would actually really like Graffanino.

[rawaction]

Stone's comments:

 

Hairston at 2B and Walker at 1B is ideal depending on the pitcher.

 

Hee Sop Choi is not the answer

 

("if Hee Sop Choi is the answer I don't know the question"):lol: :lol: :lol:

 

Henski's salary makes him someone the team wants to move.

 

Call FL about Cabrera to find out his status. Miggy can play LF or any other spot when Lee returns.

 

Mike Sweeny or Mientkiewicz may be available. Sweeny's being paid 25% of the team's salary. They need pitching.

 

Craig Wilson is a possibility

 

Hendry would have to pay 150% to get 100%. The solution now is to bring someone up (Restovich).

 

Aramis has to step up and perform like the hitter he's capable of being

 

Forgot about Eric Hinske. He'd be an OK pickup. Miggy would be a great pickup, obviously, but I would think the Cubs would have to give up at least 1 of their current ML regulars to make that happen....namely, Murton, Marshall, or Williams.

[Banedon]

Stone's comments:

 

Hairston at 2B and Walker at 1B is ideal depending on the pitcher.

 

Hee Sop Choi is not the answer

 

("if Hee Sop Choi is the answer I don't know the question"):lol: :lol: :lol:

 

Henski's salary makes him someone the team wants to move.

 

Call FL about Cabrera to find out his status. Miggy can play LF or any other spot when Lee returns.

 

Mike Sweeny or Mientkiewicz may be available. Sweeny's being paid 25% of the team's salary. They need pitching.

 

Craig Wilson is a possibility

 

Hendry would have to pay 150% to get 100%. The solution now is to bring someone up (Restovich).

 

Aramis has to step up and perform like the hitter he's capable of being

 

Forgot about Eric Hinske. He'd be an OK pickup. Miggy would be a great pickup, obviously, but I would think the Cubs would have to give up at least 1 of their current ML regulars to make that happen....namely, Murton, Marshall, or Williams.

 

I'd give up any of those 3...I'd like to keep Murton, but if that's what it took...