So...

[burnt out cubbie fan]

When are they going to pass out that book on Matt Murton that Dusty was talking about so much last year?

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

..when he starts becoming a big enough pain that they actually scout him and encorporate that into their game plan.

[burnt out cubbie fan]

So...how far above a 1.037 OPS (before today) does he have to be to qualify for that?

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

he's had about 40 AB this season. a hot start, that's all.

 

he's going to be solid, but he won't keep up a 1.000+ OPS till the ASB.

[BigbadB]

He has the best approach at the plate of any Cub hitter. He's going to be a really good #2 guy once they stick him there.

[TB_11]

I didn't catch his single, but his double, walk, and line out to third all looked like great at bats.

[Neuby]

I think Murton has a chance to be an all star somewhere down the road , but I will wait to pass judgement until he's got more at bats under his belt.

[Jon]

A draft of the book on Murton is currently in the peer review stage. They're also working on a publishing deal, but that's down the line.

[nilodnayr]

I think Murton has a chance to be an all star somewhere down the road , but I will wait to pass judgement until he's got more at bats under his belt.

 

 

Ehh, im not sure about that. The only way he'll be an allstar is if he has a really hot start or if Vance decides it so. :lol:

[bhogg]

With his approach, hitting 5th might not be a bad idea.

 

He's not going to get himself out, so throwing him junk will do nothing but put him on base.

 

You could keep Walker / Hairston hitting 2nd, put Barrett 6th and Jones 7th.

[soccer10k]

I think Murton has a chance to be an all star somewhere down the road , but I will wait to pass judgement until he's got more at bats under his belt.

 

 

Ehh, im not sure about that. The only way he'll be an allstar is if he has a really hot start or if Vance decides it so. :lol:

 

Hopefully both will happen.

[ltb]

..when he starts becoming a big enough pain that they actually scout him and encorporate that into their game plan.

 

you realize you've been saying crap like this all through the spring and the season thusfar, right?

 

why not just quit being so stubborn and admit that you just might be wrong? i realize that's difficult for you to do, but it's something to take into consideration.

[srbin84]

Yeah, I agree. What's with the Murton trashing that people have been doing around here since he came up last year? All the talk about him getting lucky hits and such. Much worse players have gotten much more support. I don't understand what makes Murton different.

[mhuber92211]

If Dusty is trying to help him develop as a younger player, it was odd for Pagan to hit in front of him

[moorecg]

..when he starts becoming a big enough pain that they actually scout him and encorporate that into their game plan.

 

you realize you've been saying crap like this all through the spring and the season thusfar, right?

 

why not just quit being so stubborn and admit that you just might be wrong? i realize that's difficult for you to do, but it's something to take into consideration.

 

Meat is also the guy who thinks Ronny is "crappy" so take it with a grain of salt/pessimism. :D

 

(Not to hijack the thread...but Ronny's still hitting .351)

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

..when he starts becoming a big enough pain that they actually scout him and encorporate that into their game plan.

 

you realize you've been saying crap like this all through the spring and the season thusfar, right?

 

why not just quit being so stubborn and admit that you just might be wrong? i realize that's difficult for you to do, but it's something to take into consideration.

 

attack the post, not the poster. :lol:

 

Anyway...the limited number of AB against ML competition makes me leary of his hot start - that's just basic statistics. You really expect him to put up those numbers in a full season? I don't. I expect decent numbers, but not great. I will be stunned if he ends up with a .900+ OPS.

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

..when he starts becoming a big enough pain that they actually scout him and encorporate that into their game plan.

 

you realize you've been saying crap like this all through the spring and the season thusfar, right?

 

why not just quit being so stubborn and admit that you just might be wrong? i realize that's difficult for you to do, but it's something to take into consideration.

 

Meat is also the guy who thinks Ronny is "crappy" so take it with a grain of salt/pessimism. :D

 

(Not to hijack the thread...but Ronny's still hitting .351)

 

When have I ever slammed Murton? I've said he deserves the starting job in LF. I was upset about the possibility of Grissom possibly taking away his playing time. He earned that spot last season in limited AB. So far he's proved that the Cubs org. did make the right decision. Somehow not dubbing him a "stud" based on limited AB makes me an idiot.

 

Ronny has been a train wreck defensively. He's on pace for 48+ errors. I do appreciate his range, but his throws leave something to be desired. It doesn't bother you that his BA = OBP? It should.

Edited April 16, 2006 by Meat&PotatoesMan

[Guest]

It doesn't bother you that his BA = OBP? It should.

It would bother me more if his lack BB was a sign that he was swinging at bad pitches and getting himself out. He's swinging at a lot of pitches (T/S ratio of 0.62) but he's also swinging at pitches he can hit. He's making contact about 87% of the time, slightly better than Aramis but slightly worse than Lee.

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

It doesn't bother you that his BA = OBP? It should.

It would bother me more if his lack BB was a sign that he was swinging at bad pitches and getting himself out. He's swinging at a lot of pitches (T/S ratio of 0.62) but he's also swinging at pitches he can hit. He's making contact about 87% of the time, slightly better than Aramis but slightly worse than Lee.

 

How many pitches is he seeing per PA? I don't remember many ABs where he was even close to drawing a walk, but that's just my perception.

 

It's nice that he's making decent contact, but if he's not drawing walks (limited AB so far), he's not getting on base at a decent enough clip. He isn't going to hit .350 over the course of a full season.

[Guest]

It doesn't bother you that his BA = OBP? It should.

It would bother me more if his lack BB was a sign that he was swinging at bad pitches and getting himself out. He's swinging at a lot of pitches (T/S ratio of 0.62) but he's also swinging at pitches he can hit. He's making contact about 87% of the time, slightly better than Aramis but slightly worse than Lee.

 

How many pitches is he seeing per PA? I don't remember many ABs where he was even close to drawing a walk, but that's just my perception.

 

It's nice that he's making decent contact, but if he's not drawing walks (limited AB so far), he's not getting on base at a decent enough clip. He isn't going to hit .350 over the course of a full season.

2.95, vs. the team average of 3.85. As I said, he is swinging at a lot of pitches, but the good news is they're pitches he can hit.

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

It doesn't bother you that his BA = OBP? It should.

It would bother me more if his lack BB was a sign that he was swinging at bad pitches and getting himself out. He's swinging at a lot of pitches (T/S ratio of 0.62) but he's also swinging at pitches he can hit. He's making contact about 87% of the time, slightly better than Aramis but slightly worse than Lee.

 

How many pitches is he seeing per PA? I don't remember many ABs where he was even close to drawing a walk, but that's just my perception.

 

It's nice that he's making decent contact, but if he's not drawing walks (limited AB so far), he's not getting on base at a decent enough clip. He isn't going to hit .350 over the course of a full season.

2.95, vs. the team average of 3.85. As I said, he is swinging at a lot of pitches, but the good news is they're pitches he can hit.

 

Yup. He is going to make decent contact. He might even hit .290-.300 over the course of a season...with a .320 OBP. :(

[Guest]

It doesn't bother you that his BA = OBP? It should.

It would bother me more if his lack BB was a sign that he was swinging at bad pitches and getting himself out. He's swinging at a lot of pitches (T/S ratio of 0.62) but he's also swinging at pitches he can hit. He's making contact about 87% of the time, slightly better than Aramis but slightly worse than Lee.

 

How many pitches is he seeing per PA? I don't remember many ABs where he was even close to drawing a walk, but that's just my perception.

 

It's nice that he's making decent contact, but if he's not drawing walks (limited AB so far), he's not getting on base at a decent enough clip. He isn't going to hit .350 over the course of a full season.

2.95, vs. the team average of 3.85. As I said, he is swinging at a lot of pitches, but the good news is they're pitches he can hit.

 

Yup. He is going to make decent contact. He might even hit .290-.300 over the course of a season...with a .320 OBP. :(

His lack of patience so far this seaon is likely just an aberration caused by the small sample size. Througout his history in the minors he consistently put up ISODs in the .050-.060 range, and there's little reason to think that number will drop substantially over a full season in the bigs. If he hits .280 or so his OBP will likely be in the .330-.340 range. Not great, but certainly not bad for a rookie SS.

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

It doesn't bother you that his BA = OBP? It should.

It would bother me more if his lack BB was a sign that he was swinging at bad pitches and getting himself out. He's swinging at a lot of pitches (T/S ratio of 0.62) but he's also swinging at pitches he can hit. He's making contact about 87% of the time, slightly better than Aramis but slightly worse than Lee.

 

How many pitches is he seeing per PA? I don't remember many ABs where he was even close to drawing a walk, but that's just my perception.

 

It's nice that he's making decent contact, but if he's not drawing walks (limited AB so far), he's not getting on base at a decent enough clip. He isn't going to hit .350 over the course of a full season.

2.95, vs. the team average of 3.85. As I said, he is swinging at a lot of pitches, but the good news is they're pitches he can hit.

 

Yup. He is going to make decent contact. He might even hit .290-.300 over the course of a season...with a .320 OBP. :(

His lack of patience so far this seaon is likely just an aberration caused by the small sample size. Througout his history in the minors he consistently put up ISODs in the .050-.060 range, and there's little reason to think that number will drop substantially over a full season in the bigs. If he hits .280 or so his OBP will likely be in the .330-.340 range. Not great, but certainly not bad for a rookie SS.

 

That I can live with. As you said, it's been a small sample size so far. That's why I don't buy into Ronny being this stud offensive SS that some ppl seem to think he is (who rip me for calling his offensive prowess into question). His D is what worries me. he'll never be great enough offensively to make up for 40+ errors in the field.

 

Ronny should be ok offensively, but not great. Shoddy D really hurts a player like that.

 

Neifi stinks offensively. Even Neifi acknowledges that. But he does bring above average D. If you can't rake with the bat, you'd better at least do a passable job in the field.

[stitchface]

Ronny's D will be fine. Who is saying he is an offensive stud?

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

Ronny's D will be fine. Who is saying he is an offensive stud?

 

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