random prior/wood update

[stitchface]

From conversation by Rockies announcer with Gary Hughes.

 

Wood to throw simulated game this weekend and is far ahead of Prior. Prior is pain free though. Announcer also blames Dusty for overusing them in 2003.

[Wilson A2000]

From conversation by Rockies announcer with Gary Hughes.

 

Wood to throw simulated game this weekend and is far ahead of Prior. Prior is pain free though. Announcer also blames Dusty for overusing them in 2003.

 

The Cubs hadn't been to a World Series in a while. I betcha this GM would have done the same thing as Dusty in 2003. The problem is that Wood has bad mechanics and he hasn't been willing to change them. I am beginning to think Prior is a wuss because he hadn't known what pain was before he got to the big leagues. All major league pitchers fight through pain and Prior is going to have to do it if he wants to start 30-35 games regularly.

[stitchface]

From conversation by Rockies announcer with Gary Hughes.

 

Wood to throw simulated game this weekend and is far ahead of Prior. Prior is pain free though. Announcer also blames Dusty for overusing them in 2003.

 

The Cubs hadn't been to a World Series in a while. I betcha this GM would have done the same thing as Dusty in 2003. The problem is that Wood has bad mechanics and he hasn't been willing to change them. I am beginning to think Prior is a wuss because he hadn't known what pain was before he got to the big leagues. All major league pitchers fight through pain and Prior is going to have to do it if he wants to start 30-35 games regularly.

 

He actually said that - that he understood why dusty did it and that he nearly went to the WS by doing it. Just making the point that they may be paying the price for it now.

[Wilson A2000]

From conversation by Rockies announcer with Gary Hughes.

 

Wood to throw simulated game this weekend and is far ahead of Prior. Prior is pain free though. Announcer also blames Dusty for overusing them in 2003.

 

The Cubs hadn't been to a World Series in a while. I betcha this GM would have done the same thing as Dusty in 2003. The problem is that Wood has bad mechanics and he hasn't been willing to change them. I am beginning to think Prior is a wuss because he hadn't known what pain was before he got to the big leagues. All major league pitchers fight through pain and Prior is going to have to do it if he wants to start 30-35 games regularly.

 

He actually said that - that he understood why dusty did it and that he nearly went to the WS by doing it. Just making the point that they may be paying the price for it now.

 

Well then you can't blame Dusty for overusing them in 2003.

[stitchface]

why can't you blame him? He didn't win the world series and his managing may be part of the cause of our not winning it the next 3 years.

[Wilson A2000]

why can't you blame him? He didn't win the world series and his managing may be part of the cause of our not winning it the next 3 years.

 

The Cubs did not lose to the Marlins because of Dusty's managing. The Bartman play, Gonzalez's error, and the lack of a pen were much bigger factors. Dusty is not a good in game manager which is part of the reason they haven't been back, but I won't put 2003 on him.

[stitchface]

not the point. the point is his managing risked his pitchers health for several years. I do think he should have gotten prior out of there earlier as it was clear he was done when castillo was batting.

[Wilson A2000]

not the point. the point is his managing risked his pitchers health for several years. I do think he should have gotten prior out of there earlier as it was clear he was done when castillo was batting.

 

Well he induced a taylor made double play if it hadn't been for Gonzo. The pen was average. A tired Prior was better than the pen.

[stitchface]

yea maybe

[David]

why can't you blame him? He didn't win the world series and his managing may be part of the cause of our not winning it the next 3 years.

The Cubs did not lose to the Marlins because of Dusty's managing. The Bartman play, Gonzalez's error, and the lack of a pen were much bigger factors. Dusty is not a good in game manager which is part of the reason they haven't been back, but I won't put 2003 on him.

 

The management in Game 7 was an abomination. Game 2 was also poorly managed. Oh.. and the end of Game 1...

[Wilson A2000]

You can't manage perfect. Gonzo's error was the biggest blow by far. Putting in Veres in Game 7 was an abomination, but not as big of a goof as Gonzo's error. I thought most of the responsibility hung on the players.

[Keener98]

You can't manage perfect. Gonzo's error was the biggest blow by far. Putting in Veres in Game 7 was an abomination, but not as big of a goof as Gonzo's error. I thought most of the responsibility hung on the players.

 

Our pen was awful. However the people we had in the pen at the time were not. Clement and/or Zambrano not being used out of the pen was assanine. If you can pick between Dave Veres and Clement/Zambrano, I think the choice is pretty simple.

[stitchface]

neither clement or zambrano was pitching very well by that point though IIRC

[srbin84]

I don't understand the Veres comments. From what I remember, Wood and Farnsworth lost Game 7 by having quite possibly their worst outings of the season.

[srbin84]

I remember, Veres gave up a hit a to the other Gonzo with men on. I do remember being very mad about not putting in Z for Prior in Game 6. Once game 6 was over, I never felt like we had a chance. It felt like the series was over and we had lost. I watched game 7, but I wasn't really disapointed by the outcome because I had expected it. When it was clear Wood didn't have it, I didn't see how we were going to stop them.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Bringing Guthrie in so he could face Lowell instead of Lenny Harris. :evil:

[Fro]

Z wasn't "big Z" at that point. Wood was starting game 7/game 1 WS. Prior was cruising. Farnsworth could be wild. Jo Blo was smoke and mirrors. Clement was hurt I believe. Estes was the starter in the pen. :twisted:

 

As ESPN Classic said, if Alou doesn't throw a hissy fit about the Bartman ball and just laughs it off, we end up winning.

[srbin84]

Z wasn't "big Z" at that point. Wood was starting game 7/game 1 WS. Prior was cruising. Farnsworth could be wild. Jo Blo was smoke and mirrors.

 

As ESPN Classic said, if Alou doesn't throw a hissy fit about the Bartman ball and just laughs it off, we end up winning.

 

Well, I was also thinking about using Wood in that situation and start Z in Game 7.

[stitchface]

Z wasn't "big Z" at that point. Wood was starting game 7/game 1 WS. Prior was cruising. Farnsworth could be wild. Jo Blo was smoke and mirrors. Clement was hurt I believe. Estes was the starter in the pen. :twisted:

 

As ESPN Classic said, if Alou doesn't throw a hissy fit about the Bartman ball and just laughs it off, we end up winning.

 

you seriously think alou's "fit"made a difference? That's pretty dubious if you ask me.

[radarluv1]

can we please forget about 2003? makes me nauseous (sp?).

[XZero771679666304]

Bringing Guthrie in so he could face Lowell instead of Lenny Harris. :evil:

 

If Dusty hadn't done that, there wouldn't have been a game 6 or 7, and no one would be having this conversation.

[rrudd2]

You seriously think alou's "fit"made a difference? That's pretty dubious if you ask me.

 

I lurk a lot, but I don't say much.

 

Alou's hissy fit was the turning point. If he keeps his composure, like a veteran is supposed to, the Cubs go to the World Series.

 

He didn't go near that wall in the three years he was with the Cubs, and the one time he decides to, he has a hissy at a fan. Nice, poised, playoff-hardened, World Series experienced veteran play there....NOT!

 

Moises Alou and Alex Gonzalez...the two reasons why the 2003 Cubs did not go to the World Series.

[rocket]

You seriously think alou's "fit"made a difference? That's pretty dubious if you ask me.

 

I lurk a lot, but I don't say much.

 

Alou's hissy fit was the turning point. If he keeps his composure, like a veteran is supposed to, the Cubs go to the World Series.

 

He didn't go near that wall in the three years he was with the Cubs, and the one time he decides to, he has a hissy at a fan. Nice, poised, playoff-hardened, World Series experienced veteran play there....NOT!

 

Moises Alou and Alex Gonzalez...the two reasons why the 2003 Cubs did not go to the World Series.

 

And Prior goes blameless for allowing an Alou hissy fit to rattle him? Way to be a pro there Mark....NOT!

[XZero771679666304]

Prior ran out of gas in game 6, Wood was already out of gas going into game 7. Alou and Bartman had no bearing on anything. AGon's error had a lot to do with it, but I'm not sure the rotation had enough left to beat the Yankees even had the Cubs won the NLCS.

 

Prior, Wood, Z and Clement had to work too hard all year to over come the pitiful offense (which Dusty had a big hand in making so pitiful), and Dusty's erratic use of an already mediocre bullpen.

[rrudd2]

You seriously think alou's "fit"made a difference? That's pretty dubious if you ask me.

 

I lurk a lot, but I don't say much.

 

Alou's hissy fit was the turning point. If he keeps his composure, like a veteran is supposed to, the Cubs go to the World Series.

 

He didn't go near that wall in the three years he was with the Cubs, and the one time he decides to, he has a hissy at a fan. Nice, poised, playoff-hardened, World Series experienced veteran play there....NOT!

 

Moises Alou and Alex Gonzalez...the two reasons why the 2003 Cubs did not go to the World Series.

 

And Prior goes blameless for allowing an Alou hissy fit to rattle him? Way to be a pro there Mark....NOT!

 

Hmmm...let me see...a 2nd year player, pitching in the playoffs and running on fumes looses his concentration AFTER a 12 year veteran with a World Series ring looses his cool over a foul ball that was in the stands?

 

Then, the 2nd year player regains his composure and manages to induce a tailor-made double-play ground ball to short, only to watch a 10 year veteran tank it.

 

I'll excuse Prior. Coming back to get the double-play grounder was the definition of being a "pro".

 

I won't excuse Alou OR Gonzalez. If either one of those two plays the game like a "pro", it's over in 6.