Aramis Ramirez or Scott Rolen?

[CubinNY]

 

Dude's got a good point. Probably the first time I've ever agreed with you. I feel dirty ;)

 

No he doesn't have a point. He has nothing.

 

EDIT 1:

I just did a google search and it took me less than a minute to pull up this article. Now you have to buy it if you want to read it

 

 

David Wright gets defensive -- Newsday.com

The job of improving his defense is so arduous, and David Wright takes it so seriously, that sometimes the work brings the Mets' young third baseman to his ...

http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/ ... ,0,3018274. story?coll=ny-sports-headlines&track=rss - 66k -

 

http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/mets/ny-spmets0324,0,3018274.story?coll=ny-sports-headlines&track=rss

 

Edit 2 (two minutes from the last edit)

Here is another one from the Mets webpage

http://newyork.mets.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20060312&content_id=1346509&vkey=spt2006news&fext=.jsp&c_id=nym

 

Sure doesn't look like you looked too hard there.

 

I am done with this nonsense. It really isn't worth my time.

 

 

I'm not going to register to read the Newsday article, but here's what your referenced Mets page says:

 

Early last summer, while Wright's error total was steadily increasing, there was a thought, one that had a brief shelf life, that the third baseman of the present and future might be transformed into the first baseman of the future.

 

The thought died quickly, even before Wright made adjustments during the All-Star break and became a more reliable thrower and an improved overall defender. He slowed himself and less rushing meant fewer errors. Wright committed 15 errors in 233 chances (a .936 fielding percentage) before the All-Star break. After the break, he made nine in 228 chances (.961).

 

It goes on to compare him to a young Scott Rolen.

 

Pretty much a ringing endorsement for his defensive abilities, if you ask me........ and no sign of him moving to first base.

 

No it is not a ringing endorsement and it is from the Mets own webpage. If a propaganda piece is printing it, what do you think the scouts are saying. Furtermore now you've read something you said you couldn't find. It took me all of two minutes to find it. Moreover, you said someone wouldn't find it. And I didn't even look that hard

 

You have been shown to be wrong throughout this thread. Yet every time you try to spin something. It is like this with every thred in which you post. You are the very definition of a troll.

[K-Town]

No it is not a ringing endorsement and it is from the Mets own webpage. If a propaganda piece is printing it, what do you think the scouts are saying. Furtermore now you've read something you said you couldn't find. It took me all of two minutes to find it. Moreover, you said someone wouldn't find it. And I didn't even look that hard

 

You have been shown to be wrong throughout this thread. Yet every time you try to spin something. It is like this with every thred in which you post. You are the very definition of a troll.

 

 

I haven't found ANYTHING (and neither have you) that says his future is as a first-baseman. The very article that you reference says that any thoughts of doing that "died quickly". It's not happening.

 

I'm not wrong. Wright was a good defensive third-baseman as a minor leaguer, and every report that I read (including yours) says that he'll be a very good defensive third-baseman as a major leaguer. In other words, he's not going to first base.

[imb]

Isnt CubinNY the same guy that said Glendon Rusch came into the league with a blazing fastball and a bunch of strikeouts?

[CubinNY]

Isnt CubinNY the same guy that said Glendon Rusch came into the league with a blazing fastball and a bunch of strikeouts?

 

Huh?

[imb]

Isnt CubinNY the same guy that said Glendon Rusch came into the league with a blazing fastball and a bunch of strikeouts?

 

Huh?

 

There was a thread last season about Rusch, and someone started talking about how he had become a "pitcher" and that when he came into the league he was throwing heat and striking people out all the time. I'm positive it was you.

[CubinNY]

Isnt CubinNY the same guy that said Glendon Rusch came into the league with a blazing fastball and a bunch of strikeouts?

 

Huh?

 

There was a thread last season about Rusch, and someone started talking about how he had become a "pitcher" and that when he came into the league he was throwing heat and striking people out all the time. I'm positive it was you.

 

Nope. Not me.

 

But what does this have to do with this thread?

[imb]

Well, if it was you (i still think it was), then I wouldnt want anyone to take your david wright criticism seriously. Not that I do anyway.

[CubinNY]

Well, if it was you (i still think it was), then I wouldnt want anyone to take your david wright criticism seriously. Not that I do anyway.

 

What are you talking about?

 

Find it. If you can I will never post here again.

 

If not try not do this type of thing again.

[imb]

I'm sure that discussion is deleted by now, I think threads only go back to June or July now. Either way, if it wasn't you, I'd love to know why I just substituted your name in there.

[UK1679666180]

Rusch didn't, but the previous LH'ed starter did. Estes had a mid 90s FB that has gone away.

[CubinNY]

I'm sure that discussion is deleted by now, I think threads only go back to June or July now. Either way, if it wasn't you, I'd love to know why I just substituted your name in there.

 

So would I. Is your memory infalable or something? All I can tell you

 

I know of what I speak. I have to have the Yankees and Mets crammed down my throat on a daily basis. This is not something that is made up.

 

But anyway, I've already shown two articles talking about his defensive woes. I think I've proved my point.

 

And one more time.

 

I said I've read and heard baseball people talk about Wright as a future 1st baseman (long term). That doesn't mean he won't be an adequate defensive thrid baseman in the near future. All and all, I'd take him right now over Aramis or Rolen.

Edited April 12, 2006 by CubinNY

[RynoRules]

I'm sure that discussion is deleted by now, I think threads only go back to June or July now. Either way, if it wasn't you, I'd love to know why I just substituted your name in there.

 

So would I. Is your memory infalable or something?

 

No, but your memory of obscure articles re David Wright apparently is.

[CubinNY]

I'm sure that discussion is deleted by now, I think threads only go back to June or July now. Either way, if it wasn't you, I'd love to know why I just substituted your name in there.

 

So would I. Is your memory infalable or something?

 

No, but your memory of obscure articles re David Wright apparently is.

 

What is this? Pick on CubinNY day?

Now what are you talking about? The article was not obscure it was a spring training article on the Mets.

[K-Town]

I'm sure that discussion is deleted by now, I think threads only go back to June or July now. Either way, if it wasn't you, I'd love to know why I just substituted your name in there.

 

So would I. Is your memory infalable or something? All I can tell you

 

I know of what I speak. I have to have the Yankees and Mets crammed down my throat on a daily basis. This is not something that is made up.

 

But anyway, I've already shown two articles talking about his defensive woes. I think I've proved my point.

 

And one more time.

 

I said I've read and heard baseball people talk about Wright as a future 1st baseman (long term). That doesn't mean he won't be an adequate defensive thrid baseman in the near future. All and all, I'd take him right now over Aramis or Rolen.

 

I have yet to see an article that doesn't imply that Wright's going to be very good defensively. Baseball America said he will be. The article that you posted (the only one that I could read, anyway) compares him to a young Scott Rolen, and says any thoughts of him moving to first base were "quickly dismissed".

 

You're wrong.

[Chocolate Milk]

This thread is crazy.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

This thread is crazy.

 

Something's crazy alright.

[cubfan1955]

Wasn't Rolen injured in a collision with Choi last year? How is that "chronic"? Aramis is the definition of a "chronic" injury. Is there a muscle below his shoulder that he hasn't tweaked or pulled yet? If they are both healthy I'd take Aramis. If I was to base it on their past health issues I'd go with Rolen. My guess is that Rolen will play more games this year than Aramis who is out today with his tweaked ass.

[K-Town]

Wasn't Rolen injured in a collision with Choi last year? How is that "chronic"? Aramis is the definition of a "chronic" injury. Is there a muscle below his shoulder that he hasn't tweaked or pulled yet? If they are both healthy I'd take Aramis. If I was to base it on their past health issues I'd go with Rolen. My guess is that Rolen will play more games this year than Aramis who is out today with his tweaked ass.

 

Rolen's previous injury was a result of a collision with baserunner Alex Cintron. So yeah....... it's not like he's suffered from alot of "aches & pains" that he refuses to play through. He's simply had some bad luck. Hopefully, it's behind him.

[NorthsideAvenger]

Look, I DO NOT want ANY other 3rd base over Aramis. Look I realize that Rolen is better defensively, and you could make the case that Wright and Cabrera are better then ARam. But I don't care....ARam, IMO, is widely popular in Chicago (as is RODAN), if the Cubs traded for or sign somebody to replace at 3rd, that said player would be under pressure from the Cubs fans to match ARam production to justify losing ARam.

 

In other words, I know this sounds a bit of homerism...but there is NOT a third baseman I would take over ARam right now. I'm not saying ARam is the best at position, but he is so darn close though.

[K-Town]

Look, I DO NOT want ANY other 3rd base over Aramis. Look I realize that Rolen is better defensively, and you could make the case that Wright and Cabrera are better then ARam. But I don't care....ARam, IMO, is widely popular in Chicago (as is RODAN), if the Cubs traded for or sign somebody to replace at 3rd, that said player would be under pressure from the Cubs fans to match ARam production to justify losing ARam.

 

In other words, I know this sounds a bit of homerism...but there is NOT a third baseman I would take over ARam right now. I'm not saying ARam is the best at position, but he is so darn close though.

 

A-rod? :wink:

[rawaction]

Man, everyone's awfully abrasive in this thread. Let's keep the discussions civil.

[RynoRules]

I'm sure that discussion is deleted by now, I think threads only go back to June or July now. Either way, if it wasn't you, I'd love to know why I just substituted your name in there.

 

So would I. Is your memory infalable or something?

 

No, but your memory of obscure articles re David Wright apparently is.

 

What is this? Pick on CubinNY day?

Now what are you talking about? The article was not obscure it was a spring training article on the Mets.

 

IIRC, you have criticized posters in the past when they fail to support their positions with "hard evidence". I thought it was interesting that you were arguing that you shouldn't have to do so to please other posters.

[CubinNY]

I'm sure that discussion is deleted by now, I think threads only go back to June or July now. Either way, if it wasn't you, I'd love to know why I just substituted your name in there.

 

So would I. Is your memory infalable or something?

 

No, but your memory of obscure articles re David Wright apparently is.

 

What is this? Pick on CubinNY day?

Now what are you talking about? The article was not obscure it was a spring training article on the Mets.

 

IIRC, you have criticized posters in the past when they fail to support their positions with "hard evidence". I thought it was interesting that you were arguing that you shouldn't have to do so to please other posters.

 

Did you read the entire thread?

[K-Town]

I'm sure that discussion is deleted by now, I think threads only go back to June or July now. Either way, if it wasn't you, I'd love to know why I just substituted your name in there.

 

So would I. Is your memory infalable or something?

 

No, but your memory of obscure articles re David Wright apparently is.

 

What is this? Pick on CubinNY day?

Now what are you talking about? The article was not obscure it was a spring training article on the Mets.

 

IIRC, you have criticized posters in the past when they fail to support their positions with "hard evidence". I thought it was interesting that you were arguing that you shouldn't have to do so to please other posters.

 

Did you read the entire thread?

 

Paste the "hard evidence" that say that Wright will be (or even MIGHT BE) moving to first base. Also paste the "hard evidence" that any scouts think that Wright can't hack it defensively at third base.

 

That's all.

[UK1679666180]

http://mets.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article.jsp?ymd=20050720&content_id=1138591&vkey=news_nym&fext=.jsp&c_id=nym

 

His defense has prompted speculation outside the Shea Stadium offices that Wright could be shifted to first base.

Hopefully, this will end the mock cross examination garbage.

Edited April 12, 2006 by UK