[wolf stansson]

A Marion trade would be a great coup.

 

 

We would definitely lead the league in hustle with him, noc, and kirk.

[Derwood]

A Marion trade would be a great coup.

 

 

We would definitely lead the league in hustle with him, noc, and kirk.

 

I don't want to lead the league in hustle. I want to lead the league in wins.

[wolf stansson]

A Marion trade would be a great coup.

 

 

We would definitely lead the league in hustle with him, noc, and kirk.

 

I don't want to lead the league in hustle. I want to lead the league in wins.

Marion could also help that.

 

At least we would no longer give up 50 points a game to large shooting guards/small forwards in the Arenas/LeBron, VC, Kobe, Paul Pierce mold.

[RynoRules]

A Marion trade would be a great coup.

 

 

We would definitely lead the league in hustle with him, noc, and kirk.

 

I don't want to lead the league in hustle. I want to lead the league in wins.

 

Did you bother to look at his (Marion) stats? 20 and 11 every night, with 2 steals and 1.5 blocks, only slightly more than 1 T.O. per game, all of which he has consistently done, night-in and night-out, for about 5 years.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

The only thing is, I don't want to see that ugly shot every game. :puker:

[Mark_R]

Phoenix would be creaming themselves with that deal. If they stay healthy, they would EASILY be the best team in the NBA. Great depth (grabbing another shooter like Douby, Ager, or Shannon with their second pick) with

 

Amare, T. Thomas, Tyson, and Kurt Thomas up front.

Diaw is a stud in that offense.

Backcourt of Bell, Nash, Barbosa, and late pick would be sweet for them.

 

I like Marion. I'd love him even more if he were a few inches taller.

[RynoRules]

The only thing is, I don't want to see that ugly shot every game. :puker:

 

It isn't a thing of beauty, you are correct....but it goes in.

[Mark_R]

I saw on Chad Ford's report today referencing a deal that could send the Blazers' 4 and 30 picks (along with another player, Outlaw and Jack were the two mentioned...) for Toronto's number one pick.

 

Why couldn't the Bulls get in on this? Outlaw would have next to zero use here playing the three, but he could be a GREAT trade chip and we could still probably net TT or Roy at 4, if that's truly Pax's desire.

 

At 30, you could grab a big man who can play this year.

 

Just thinking here...

[srbin84]

I saw on Chad Ford's report today referencing a deal that could send the Blazers' 4 and 30 picks (along with another player, Outlaw and Jack were the two mentioned...) for Toronto's number one pick.

 

Why couldn't the Bulls get in on this? Outlaw would have next to zero use here playing the three, but he could be a GREAT trade chip and we could still probably net TT or Roy at 4, if that's truly Pax's desire.

 

At 30, you could grab a big man who can play this year.

 

Just thinking here...

 

I like this idea. It also would pretty much make the decision on who we take, which isn't really a bad thing IMO. I'm torn between Thomas and Roy, but I would feel a lot better about getting Roy if we got a solid big man later.

[Mark_R]

Another deal Chad was throwing out there was the possibility of a Tyson to GS swap...

 

Another has the Warriors sending Pietrus, Murphy and the No. 9 to the Bulls for Tyson Chandler and the No. 16.

 

Love this idea. I'm not a big Troy Murphy fan, but he could be servicable off the bench or in a partial starting role. A bit too much away from the basket offensively for my liking and doesn't really have a great contract, but his productivity is much better than Tyson's. And if anyone can get him to play a lick of defense, its Skiles.

 

Pietrus would be an incredible fit as a defensive stopper. And with the 9 pick, they could get a BIG TIME impact player still.

 

If you assume the top 8 goes down like this (I feel dirty, same as nbadraft.net, and i swear to god I didn't look at it... assuming no trades)

 

Bargnani

Thomas

Gay

Morrison

S. Williams

Roy

Aldridge

Foye

 

There is still a lot of talent left on the board. Ronnie Brewer (would be kind redundant with Pietrus though...) Patrick O' Bryant, Sene (he would definitely be there...), Simmons, Redick, and Carney. Depends on the route the Bulls wanna go.

[1908]

Another deal Chad was throwing out there was the possibility of a Tyson to GS swap...

 

Another has the Warriors sending Pietrus, Murphy and the No. 9 to the Bulls for Tyson Chandler and the No. 16.

 

Love this idea.

It's intriguing. Not a slam dunk, but I'd be excited to see who they would draft at 9 if it happened. Williams or Simmons would be nice.

 

Some reasons for concern:

 

Although Murphy saves you a couple million a year and significantly outproduced Tyson this past season -- 15.93 PER to 12.23 PER -- Tyson's 2004-05 PER was right in line with Murphy's, he's three years younger, and he's so much better than Murphy defensively, I'm not sure how to measure it.

 

Pietrus is an excellent defender. His production was pathetic last year, though -- 10.21 PER. He's a year older than Tyson, so he's got a good chance to bounce back. They strike me as very similar players, in fact. You dislike Tyson so much; why so high on Pietrus?

[Mark_R]

Another deal Chad was throwing out there was the possibility of a Tyson to GS swap...

 

Another has the Warriors sending Pietrus, Murphy and the No. 9 to the Bulls for Tyson Chandler and the No. 16.

 

Love this idea.

It's intriguing. Not a slam dunk, but I'd be excited to see who they would draft at 9 if it happened. Williams or Simmons would be nice.

 

Some reasons for concern:

 

Although Murphy saves you a couple million a year and significantly outproduced Tyson this past season -- 15.93 PER to 12.23 PER -- Tyson's 2004-05 PER was right in line with Murphy's, he's three years younger, and he's so much better than Murphy defensively, I'm not sure how to measure it.

 

Pietrus is an excellent defender. His production was pathetic last year, though -- 10.21 PER. He's a year older than Tyson, so he's got a good chance to bounce back. They strike me as very similar players, in fact. You dislike Tyson so much; why so high on Pietrus?

 

I think a guy like Pietrus allows Hinrich to conserve more energy on the defensive end when matched up with elite 2 guards (Wade, Carter, Rip, etc.)

 

I would be optimistic about Skiles to get Troy to play SOME semblance of defense. His board skills aren't bad, and the contracts are just about a wash. 7 picks higher is the icing on the cake.

[1908]

I think a guy like Pietrus allows Hinrich to conserve more energy on the defensive end when matched up with elite 2 guards (Wade, Carter, Rip, etc.)

Very true. He's a huge liability offensively if he doesn't improve, thought. I could see Skiles playing Pietrus too much and the Bulls already subpar offense suffering for it.

 

I would be optimistic about Skiles to get Troy to play SOME semblance of defense. His board skills aren't bad, and the contracts are just about a wash. 7 picks higher is the icing on the cake.

But even if he plays a semblance of defense, the drop off from Tyson would be pretty significant. You'd have to hope this year's picks at 2 and 9 would fill in the defensive hole in the front line that Tyson's departure would bring.

 

Like I said, interesting.

[Mark_R]

I think a guy like Pietrus allows Hinrich to conserve more energy on the defensive end when matched up with elite 2 guards (Wade, Carter, Rip, etc.)

Very true. He's a huge liability offensively if he doesn't improve, thought. I could see Skiles playing Pietrus too much and the Bulls already subpar offense suffering for it.

 

I would be optimistic about Skiles to get Troy to play SOME semblance of defense. His board skills aren't bad, and the contracts are just about a wash. 7 picks higher is the icing on the cake.

But even if he plays a semblance of defense, the drop off from Tyson would be pretty significant. You'd have to hope this year's picks at 2 and 9 would fill in the defensive hole in the front line that Tyson's departure would bring.

 

Like I said, interesting.

 

On the second point, if you draft Thomas, Troy's minutes might hover around 25 or less, making his shortcomings less of a liability while the (hopefully bulked up...) Thomas is garnering near legit starter's minutes and playing really strong D.

 

I think Murphy would get the message: play defense or don't play.

[1908]

I think a guy like Pietrus allows Hinrich to conserve more energy on the defensive end when matched up with elite 2 guards (Wade, Carter, Rip, etc.)

Very true. He's a huge liability offensively if he doesn't improve, thought. I could see Skiles playing Pietrus too much and the Bulls already subpar offense suffering for it.

 

I would be optimistic about Skiles to get Troy to play SOME semblance of defense. His board skills aren't bad, and the contracts are just about a wash. 7 picks higher is the icing on the cake.

But even if he plays a semblance of defense, the drop off from Tyson would be pretty significant. You'd have to hope this year's picks at 2 and 9 would fill in the defensive hole in the front line that Tyson's departure would bring.

 

Like I said, interesting.

 

On the second point, if you draft Thomas, Troy's minutes might hover around 25 or less, making his shortcomings less of a liability while the (hopefully bulked up...) Thomas is garnering near legit starter's minutes and playing really strong D.

 

I think Murphy would get the message: play defense or don't play.

On the first point, thinking about a Pietrus - Duhon back court makes me nauseous.

[Mark_R]

On the first point, thinking about a Pietrus - Duhon back court makes me nauseous.

 

My guess is that would be done when Skiles feels comfortable with having both Deng and Nocioni out there. 9 is a really good spot to be at, especially if the Shelden to Atlanta rumor is true...

[1908]

On the first point, thinking about a Pietrus - Duhon back court makes me nauseous.

 

My guess is that would be done when Skiles feels comfortable with having both Deng and Nocioni out there. 9 is a really good spot to be at, especially if the Shelden to Atlanta rumor is true...

Sounds like that's on par with the Thomas top three guarantee at this point. I'd be happy with Williams at 9, though.

[RynoRules]

FYI: Toronto hired a guy from the Italian League to be their VP and Ass. GM:

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2496692

 

I think this pretty much tells you who they are picking.

[Andy]

Sort of too bad, I was intrigued by Bargnani, but I doubt the Bulls were going to pick him anyway. SI's mock draft has them taking LaMarcus, NBADraft.net currently has them taking Tyrus.

[WindyCity]

SI's mock draft has them taking LaMarcus, NBADraft.net currently has them taking Tyrus.

 

Which probably means they're going to take Roy. :D

[1908]

Unless Paxson is blowing smoke, or KG becomes available unexpectedly, it doesn't look like Gordon is going anywhere this off-season, regardless of who the Bulls pick.

 

Sun-Times[/url]"]Paxson made it clear Thursday that it's highly unlikely guard Ben Gordon would be involved in any trade.

 

"I'll put this to bed,'' Paxson said. "Unless a blockbuster deal comes up, I'm not trading Ben Gordon. You never say never in this business, but no one has presented anything to me that I would remotely consider for Ben.

 

"I think Ben is going to be a better player this year than he was last year. Whatever position we draft, in my mind, it doesn't affect Ben Gordon. I don't see that as an issue at all.''

Daily Herald[/url]"]If the Bulls select Washington guard Brandon Roy in Wednesday’s NBA draft, some might assume the team’s next step would be to shop Ben Gordon in a trade.

 

That’s absolutely not the case, according to Bulls general manager John Paxson.

[Derwood]

Ben Gordon is the lifeblood of this team. Trading him would be ridiculous.

[RynoRules]

Ben Gordon is the lifeblood of this team. Trading him would be ridiculous.

 

I think that's an overstatement. He's a very good shooter and moves pretty well without the ball, but his defense is inconsistent and his ballhandling is below avg. at best.

[Derwood]

Ben Gordon is the lifeblood of this team. Trading him would be ridiculous.

 

I think that's an overstatement. He's a very good shooter and moves pretty well without the ball, but his defense is inconsistent and his ballhandling is below avg. at best.

 

sure, but he's the guy who comes in and gives the team a jolt of energy. How many 4th quarter comebacks has he been responsible for? I just don't think you find that level of excitement and energy too often from a young player. He's not the best player on the team but he is exciting.

[1908]

his ballhandling is below avg. at best.

For a 1 or a 2?