Cubs OF

[ltb]

wait until the book is out on him.

 

lol - thanks dusty.

 

i guess those 3 at bats are all anyone is basing their opinion of cedeno on, right? it has nothing to do with his success in the majors last year or the improvements he showed on the field and at the plate in 2005, too!

[rawaction]

It's not about the comparison of specific pieces on your team. It's the overall composition that makes you win.

 

Our SS and RF are crap. pure and simple. Our pitching is the most worrisome aspect of our team. We could absolutely dominate if Wood, Prior, and Miller all get healthy and pitch like they can (unlikely considering the injuries/surgeries they have had).

 

The Cards don't have those question marks. We have the potential, but their situation is more realized potential and not hopes and dreams of healthier days.

 

I still don't understand how our young players are question marks while teams like the Brewers have all future stars. Murton looks like the real thing and Cedeno has been successful at every level. Jones makes too much money, but is an "adequate" OF.

 

Murton does look like the real deal. I agree.

 

However, Cedeno has not been successful at every level. Take a look at his stats:

 

http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/C/ronny-cedeno.shtml

 

Cedeno got his butt kicking in A ball, put up a mediocre showing in AA, and got it together for 245 AB in AAA. His VWL was two sided. His D was shoddy (that's putting it nicely) and his K/BB ratio was in the toilet. Then he had 80 AB in the bigs. Nice, but even Dubois did well in the beginning. It's not just a Dustyism to say that pitchers don't have the book on him. Cedeno is in for a rough season b/c he doesn't have plate discipline. He carries his offensive woes into the field and we'll be seeing Neifi every day by the ASB.

 

Our guys are question marks b/c our organization has a very poor track record of developing successful position players. The Braves are the extreme opposite. Murton is less of a question mark, given his skillset. Cedeno had one good year. One.

 

In his first two years he was 18 and 19 years old...and playing in Boise and Lansing...last time I checked both of those places are a LONG way from Carabobo (cool name for a town) Venezuela for a kid just out of high school...He hit damn near .280 by the time he turned 21 in AA. These stats aren't doing anything to convince me that he's crap.

 

Just an update. Ronny was a crappy 2 for 3 with another run scored.

 

Like I said before, wait until the book is out on him. I'm glad you can throw out 2 years of baseball, but then cite 3 AB as proof of your argument. Convinced me. Totally.

 

Did you even read the post before it? No wonder why there's so much bickering on this board.

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

It's not about the comparison of specific pieces on your team. It's the overall composition that makes you win.

 

Our SS and RF are crap. pure and simple. Our pitching is the most worrisome aspect of our team. We could absolutely dominate if Wood, Prior, and Miller all get healthy and pitch like they can (unlikely considering the injuries/surgeries they have had).

 

The Cards don't have those question marks. We have the potential, but their situation is more realized potential and not hopes and dreams of healthier days.

 

I still don't understand how our young players are question marks while teams like the Brewers have all future stars. Murton looks like the real thing and Cedeno has been successful at every level. Jones makes too much money, but is an "adequate" OF.

 

Murton does look like the real deal. I agree.

 

However, Cedeno has not been successful at every level. Take a look at his stats:

 

http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/C/ronny-cedeno.shtml

 

Cedeno got his butt kicking in A ball, put up a mediocre showing in AA, and got it together for 245 AB in AAA. His VWL was two sided. His D was shoddy (that's putting it nicely) and his K/BB ratio was in the toilet. Then he had 80 AB in the bigs. Nice, but even Dubois did well in the beginning. It's not just a Dustyism to say that pitchers don't have the book on him. Cedeno is in for a rough season b/c he doesn't have plate discipline. He carries his offensive woes into the field and we'll be seeing Neifi every day by the ASB.

 

Our guys are question marks b/c our organization has a very poor track record of developing successful position players. The Braves are the extreme opposite. Murton is less of a question mark, given his skillset. Cedeno had one good year. One.

 

In his first two years he was 18 and 19 years old...and playing in Boise and Lansing...last time I checked both of those places are a LONG way from Carabobo (cool name for a town) Venezuela for a kid just out of high school...He hit damn near .280 by the time he turned 21 in AA. These stats aren't doing anything to convince me that he's crap.

 

Just an update. Ronny was a crappy 2 for 3 with another run scored.

 

Like I said before, wait until the book is out on him. I'm glad you can throw out 2 years of baseball, but then cite 3 AB as proof of your argument. Convinced me. Totally.

 

Did you even read the post before it? No wonder why there's so much bickering on this board.

 

Obviously I did read it as I referenced the 2 years he was talking about. :wink:

 

I'm glad you felt the need to call me out on something you were guilty of. Brilliant!

[rawaction]

It's not about the comparison of specific pieces on your team. It's the overall composition that makes you win.

 

Our SS and RF are crap. pure and simple. Our pitching is the most worrisome aspect of our team. We could absolutely dominate if Wood, Prior, and Miller all get healthy and pitch like they can (unlikely considering the injuries/surgeries they have had).

 

The Cards don't have those question marks. We have the potential, but their situation is more realized potential and not hopes and dreams of healthier days.

 

I still don't understand how our young players are question marks while teams like the Brewers have all future stars. Murton looks like the real thing and Cedeno has been successful at every level. Jones makes too much money, but is an "adequate" OF.

 

Murton does look like the real deal. I agree.

 

However, Cedeno has not been successful at every level. Take a look at his stats:

 

http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/C/ronny-cedeno.shtml

 

Cedeno got his butt kicking in A ball, put up a mediocre showing in AA, and got it together for 245 AB in AAA. His VWL was two sided. His D was shoddy (that's putting it nicely) and his K/BB ratio was in the toilet. Then he had 80 AB in the bigs. Nice, but even Dubois did well in the beginning. It's not just a Dustyism to say that pitchers don't have the book on him. Cedeno is in for a rough season b/c he doesn't have plate discipline. He carries his offensive woes into the field and we'll be seeing Neifi every day by the ASB.

 

Our guys are question marks b/c our organization has a very poor track record of developing successful position players. The Braves are the extreme opposite. Murton is less of a question mark, given his skillset. Cedeno had one good year. One.

 

In his first two years he was 18 and 19 years old...and playing in Boise and Lansing...last time I checked both of those places are a LONG way from Carabobo (cool name for a town) Venezuela for a kid just out of high school...He hit damn near .280 by the time he turned 21 in AA. These stats aren't doing anything to convince me that he's crap.

 

Just an update. Ronny was a crappy 2 for 3 with another run scored.

 

Like I said before, wait until the book is out on him. I'm glad you can throw out 2 years of baseball, but then cite 3 AB as proof of your argument. Convinced me. Totally.

 

Did you even read the post before it? No wonder why there's so much bickering on this board.

 

Obviously I did read it as I referenced the 2 years he was talking about. :wink:

 

I'm glad you felt the need to call me out on something you were guilty of. Brilliant!

 

You completely missed the point that he was a teenager in those 2 years, which I don't believe he was throwing out the years, just pointing out the facts. Then he referenced his AA year, where he hit near .280. So obviously, he wasn't using just 3 ABs. I'm pretty sure his numbers last year have been mentioned in this thread too.

[moorecg]

It's not about the comparison of specific pieces on your team. It's the overall composition that makes you win.

 

Our SS and RF are crap. pure and simple. Our pitching is the most worrisome aspect of our team. We could absolutely dominate if Wood, Prior, and Miller all get healthy and pitch like they can (unlikely considering the injuries/surgeries they have had).

 

The Cards don't have those question marks. We have the potential, but their situation is more realized potential and not hopes and dreams of healthier days.

 

I still don't understand how our young players are question marks while teams like the Brewers have all future stars. Murton looks like the real thing and Cedeno has been successful at every level. Jones makes too much money, but is an "adequate" OF.

 

Murton does look like the real deal. I agree.

 

However, Cedeno has not been successful at every level. Take a look at his stats:

 

http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/C/ronny-cedeno.shtml

 

Cedeno got his butt kicking in A ball, put up a mediocre showing in AA, and got it together for 245 AB in AAA. His VWL was two sided. His D was shoddy (that's putting it nicely) and his K/BB ratio was in the toilet. Then he had 80 AB in the bigs. Nice, but even Dubois did well in the beginning. It's not just a Dustyism to say that pitchers don't have the book on him. Cedeno is in for a rough season b/c he doesn't have plate discipline. He carries his offensive woes into the field and we'll be seeing Neifi every day by the ASB.

 

Our guys are question marks b/c our organization has a very poor track record of developing successful position players. The Braves are the extreme opposite. Murton is less of a question mark, given his skillset. Cedeno had one good year. One.

 

In his first two years he was 18 and 19 years old...and playing in Boise and Lansing...last time I checked both of those places are a LONG way from Carabobo (cool name for a town) Venezuela for a kid just out of high school...He hit damn near .280 by the time he turned 21 in AA. These stats aren't doing anything to convince me that he's crap.

 

Just an update. Ronny was a crappy 2 for 3 with another run scored.

 

Like I said before, wait until the book is out on him. I'm glad you can throw out 2 years of baseball, but then cite 3 AB as proof of your argument. Convinced me. Totally.

 

Did you even read the post before it? No wonder why there's so much bickering on this board.

 

Obviously I did read it as I referenced the 2 years he was talking about. :wink:

 

I'm glad you felt the need to call me out on something you were guilty of. Brilliant!

 

You completely missed the point that he was a teenager in those 2 years, which I don't believe he was throwing out the years, just pointing out the facts. Then he referenced his AA year, where he hit near .280. So obviously, he wasn't using just 3 ABs. I'm pretty sure his numbers last year have been mentioned in this thread too.

 

That's pretty much my point exactly Raw, I'm glad someone reads my posts...it makes me feel like actually thinking through his progression was worth the time...although I have a feeling "facts" aren't really going to sway this argument at this point.

 

If you go all the way back and look at his first season he hit at or near .280 while in rookie ball in Venezuela...gets promoted to Lansing and Boise at a very young age...possibly doesn't even know the language (I'm just making an assumption here) and is in two places which aren't the most culturally diverse in the world so he may be feeling just a bit out of place...his 3rd year away from home he turns 21 and starts putting up pretty good numbers...those numbers have continued. And no...the 2-3 doesn't "prove" anything...it was, as it was described, an "update"

[moorecg]

 

Just an update. Ronny was a crappy 2 for 3 with another run scored.

 

Crappy Ronny with a triple and an RBI :D

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

 

Just an update. Ronny was a crappy 2 for 3 with another run scored.

 

Crappy Ronny with a triple and an RBI :D

 

Just wait until they get the book on him. /sarcasm.

[moorecg]

 

Just an update. Ronny was a crappy 2 for 3 with another run scored.

 

Crappy Ronny with a triple and an RBI :D

 

Crappy wind aided double..

[moorecg]

Anyone still think Ronny is Crappy? :D

[Coach C]

I think the Cardinals' OF is worse than the Cubs OF.

[srbin84]

Hate to use an ESPN phrase but people are getting OWNED here left and right, haha.

[ltb]

the publishers must be delaying the book on ronny...

 

too bad ;)