Lee Signs (report)

[Jon]

 

I doon't think one can take seriously anything a player says about a current manager.

 

And quite frankly, I don't care what a player says. Look at Joe Morgan. He is the poster boy for playing smart baseball, but when he talks it is almost like he was a different human being then the one who played baseball.

 

I would guess what the players have to say is far more important than the opinion of people on a message board. The players know who is a good manager and who is a bad manager.

 

It really is no surprise why people who work in baseball have such a low regard for most message boards. I truly doubt that there ever has been decision made in baseball based on the opinions expressed on any message board.

How many players would actually publicly discuss their true feelings of their manager or share them with their GM?

 

And let's not forget that individual players are going to place how their manager treats them as a higher priority than how well he can manage an entire 25-man roster.

[srbin84]

 

I doon't think one can take seriously anything a player says about a current manager.

 

And quite frankly, I don't care what a player says. Look at Joe Morgan. He is the poster boy for playing smart baseball, but when he talks it is almost like he was a different human being then the one who played baseball.

 

I would guess what the players have to say is far more important than the opinion of people on a message board. The players know who is a good manager and who is a bad manager.

 

It really is no surprise why people who work in baseball have such a low regard for most message boards. I truly doubt that there ever has been decision made in baseball based on the opinions expressed on any message board.

How many players would actually publicly discuss their true feelings of their manager or share them with their GM?

 

And let's not forget that individual players are going to place how their manager treats them as a higher priority than how well he can manage an entire 25-man roster.

 

True, but for those who saw the press conference, it's pretty safe to say he likes Dusty and wants him to stay as manager.

[CubinNY]

 

I doon't think one can take seriously anything a player says about a current manager.

 

And quite frankly, I don't care what a player says. Look at Joe Morgan. He is the poster boy for playing smart baseball, but when he talks it is almost like he was a different human being then the one who played baseball.

 

I would guess what the players have to say is far more important than the opinion of people on a message board. The players know who is a good manager and who is a bad manager.

 

It really is no surprise why people who work in baseball have such a low regard for most message boards. I truly doubt that there ever has been decision made in baseball based on the opinions expressed on any message board.

 

How do you know what people in baseball think about message boards?

 

You can doubt all you want. However just to shine a little light on your dark, dark existence, at least one organization in baseball thinks enough of someone who posts on a message board that they hired him to work for them. His name is Voors Mckracken and he works for the Boston Red Sox.

 

Be that as it may. I would think you are partially correct. It would seem to me that upper management would want a happy clubhouse. But winning trumps everything except for losing. The players can profess their undieng devotion to a manager but if he is a bad manager that won't save him.

 

I am glad Lee likes Dusty, I am also glad that Lee signed an extension with the Cubs.

 

In case you don't know, which I am almost sure you don't, Lee's ties to Dusty go way back well before Lee was even a prospect. Dusty knew Derrek when he was a teenager and his friends with his father Leon.

[frostwyrm]

Isn't Lee aware that Dusty probably cost him a shot at the MVP?

[RynoRules]

 

I doon't think one can take seriously anything a player says about a current manager.

 

And quite frankly, I don't care what a player says. Look at Joe Morgan. He is the poster boy for playing smart baseball, but when he talks it is almost like he was a different human being then the one who played baseball.

 

I would guess what the players have to say is far more important than the opinion of people on a message board. The players know who is a good manager and who is a bad manager.

 

It really is no surprise why people who work in baseball have such a low regard for most message boards. I truly doubt that there ever has been decision made in baseball based on the opinions expressed on any message board.

 

How do you know what people in baseball think about message boards?

 

You can doubt all you want. However just to shine a little light on your dark, dark existence, at least one organization in baseball thinks enough of someone who posts on a message board that they hired him to work for them. His name is Voors Mckracken and he works for the Boston Red Sox.

 

Be that as it may. I would think you are partially correct. It would seem to me that upper management would want a happy clubhouse. But winning trumps everything except for losing. The players can profess their undieng devotion to a manager but if he is a bad manager that won't save him.

 

I am glad Lee likes Dusty, I am also glad that Lee signed an extension with the Cubs.

 

In case you don't know, which I am almost sure you don't, Lee's ties to Dusty go way back well before Lee was even a prospect. Dusty knew Derrek when he was a teenager and his friends with his father Leon.

 

Nice. Way not to make it personal.

[CubinNY]

 

I doon't think one can take seriously anything a player says about a current manager.

 

And quite frankly, I don't care what a player says. Look at Joe Morgan. He is the poster boy for playing smart baseball, but when he talks it is almost like he was a different human being then the one who played baseball.

 

I would guess what the players have to say is far more important than the opinion of people on a message board. The players know who is a good manager and who is a bad manager.

 

It really is no surprise why people who work in baseball have such a low regard for most message boards. I truly doubt that there ever has been decision made in baseball based on the opinions expressed on any message board.

 

How do you know what people in baseball think about message boards?

 

You can doubt all you want. However just to shine a little light on your dark, dark existence, at least one organization in baseball thinks enough of someone who posts on a message board that they hired him to work for them. His name is Voors Mckracken and he works for the Boston Red Sox.

 

Be that as it may. I would think you are partially correct. It would seem to me that upper management would want a happy clubhouse. But winning trumps everything except for losing. The players can profess their undieng devotion to a manager but if he is a bad manager that won't save him.

 

I am glad Lee likes Dusty, I am also glad that Lee signed an extension with the Cubs.

 

In case you don't know, which I am almost sure you don't, Lee's ties to Dusty go way back well before Lee was even a prospect. Dusty knew Derrek when he was a teenager and his friends with his father Leon.

 

Nice. Way not to make it personal.

 

Before you start taking sides do a search and read his posting history. With him it is always personal.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

 

I doon't think one can take seriously anything a player says about a current manager.

 

And quite frankly, I don't care what a player says. Look at Joe Morgan. He is the poster boy for playing smart baseball, but when he talks it is almost like he was a different human being then the one who played baseball.

 

I would guess what the players have to say is far more important than the opinion of people on a message board. The players know who is a good manager and who is a bad manager.

 

It really is no surprise why people who work in baseball have such a low regard for most message boards. I truly doubt that there ever has been decision made in baseball based on the opinions expressed on any message board.

 

How do you know what people in baseball think about message boards?

 

You can doubt all you want. However just to shine a little light on your dark, dark existence, at least one organization in baseball thinks enough of someone who posts on a message board that they hired him to work for them. His name is Voors Mckracken and he works for the Boston Red Sox.

 

Be that as it may. I would think you are partially correct. It would seem to me that upper management would want a happy clubhouse. But winning trumps everything except for losing. The players can profess their undieng devotion to a manager but if he is a bad manager that won't save him.

 

I am glad Lee likes Dusty, I am also glad that Lee signed an extension with the Cubs.

 

In case you don't know, which I am almost sure you don't, Lee's ties to Dusty go way back well before Lee was even a prospect. Dusty knew Derrek when he was a teenager and his friends with his father Leon.

 

Nice. Way not to make it personal.

 

Before you start taking sides do a search and read his posting history. With him it is always personal.

 

If that's the case, then take the high road.

[frostwyrm]

 

I doon't think one can take seriously anything a player says about a current manager.

 

And quite frankly, I don't care what a player says. Look at Joe Morgan. He is the poster boy for playing smart baseball, but when he talks it is almost like he was a different human being then the one who played baseball.

 

I would guess what the players have to say is far more important than the opinion of people on a message board. The players know who is a good manager and who is a bad manager.

 

It really is no surprise why people who work in baseball have such a low regard for most message boards. I truly doubt that there ever has been decision made in baseball based on the opinions expressed on any message board.

 

If you only listen to players then all managers are good. Have you ever heard a player trash his manager? Even when a blatantly crappy manager is fired there's always some player who'll say something nice about the guy.

[CubinNY]

 

 

If that's the case, then take the high road.

 

Point taken, let's move on.

 

I hope Lee earns his money!

[oldcubsfan]

 

I doon't think one can take seriously anything a player says about a current manager.

 

And quite frankly, I don't care what a player says. Look at Joe Morgan. He is the poster boy for playing smart baseball, but when he talks it is almost like he was a different human being then the one who played baseball.

 

I would guess what the players have to say is far more important than the opinion of people on a message board. The players know who is a good manager and who is a bad manager.

 

It really is no surprise why people who work in baseball have such a low regard for most message boards. I truly doubt that there ever has been decision made in baseball based on the opinions expressed on any message board.

 

How do you know what people in baseball think about message boards?

 

You can doubt all you want. However just to shine a little light on your dark, dark existence, at least one organization in baseball thinks enough of someone who posts on a message board that they hired him to work for them. His name is Voors Mckracken and he works for the Boston Red Sox.

 

Be that as it may. I would think you are partially correct. It would seem to me that upper management would want a happy clubhouse. But winning trumps everything except for losing. The players can profess their undieng devotion to a manager but if he is a bad manager that won't save him.

 

I am glad Lee likes Dusty, I am also glad that Lee signed an extension with the Cubs.

 

In case you don't know, which I am almost sure you don't, Lee's ties to Dusty go way back well before Lee was even a prospect. Dusty knew Derrek when he was a teenager and his friends with his father Leon.

 

"My dark, dark existence" --- how quaint.

[jjgman21]

so was there ever a report of how this contract broke down?

 

from what I read, it seems like the contract is scrap the current contract, 13M/year for 5 years, full no trade, and that's it. no incentives, no options, nothing complicated.

 

really makes you wonder why it took so long.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

In his chat yesterday, Neyer offered a take on Lee's contract as well as the Ortiz deal.

 

Link.

 

John (New York, NY): Hi, Rob! What's your take on the Lee & Ortiz signings? Are these "marquee/face of the franchise" signings that operate outside of normal economics, or are we seeing a sign that clubs aren't afraid of 4-5 years deals, even for the gravitationally challenged?

 

Rob Neyer: My guess is that one of these teams will eventually regret the length of the deal. That said, 1) both players would quite likely have been able to get bigger deals if they'd waited for free agency, 2) the Red Sox and Cubs can afford to overpay, and 3) I believe we're about to see some serious salary inflation over the next few years. So in 2010, Ortiz and Lee might look like real bargains.

[craig]

so was there ever a report of how this contract broke down?

 

from what I read, it seems like the contract is scrap the current contract, 13M/year for 5 years, full no trade, and that's it. no incentives, no options, nothing complicated.

 

really makes you wonder why it took so long.

 

Ditto the question, jigs. I have been expecting some complexity to come out, but haven't seen any suggestion of incentives, or options, or escalation from year to year, or how many extra millions he can make if such or such.

 

I hope we haven't heard because there isn't any such stuff. I'd as soon have the freedom to hope Lee win MVP three years straight without worrying that it will make him a free agent or cost an extra $6 per year or whatever.

 

With you, I wonder what took so long. What "loose ends" would there be if it's a no-frills straight deal? I still suspect we may hear some of those details later on...

 

On Neyer, I don't see how he can fuss much about a 4-year extension for an MVP-class guy who isn't old. Like duh, guys like that are going to agree to short-term deals? Not going to happen, rob.

 

On players and managers: Obviously there are reasons why players aren't very likely to rip managers in public. But with every sports team I've ever followed, there has always been smoke about non-public dissatisfactions with managers. If players don't like a manager, they might not say it in public, but somehow it gets around, and the reporters know about it, etc.. Plus, you can often recognize the difference between token comments that are politically correct to support a manager versus those that are enthusiastically volunteered by a player, and are not provoked by a question that forces them to make statements they don't really feel, but are purely voluntary and shared by the player's own volition.

 

I'm surprised that in three plus year hear, Dusty has gotten a *lot* of voluntary, enthusiastic support from players. And I've heard maybe one single rumor of a player being dissatisfied with Dusty.

 

I think it's fair to say that the player appreciation for Dusty is *not* the usual thing, that it's unusually strong.

 

It's not illogical to reason that players are stupid and selfish and don't care about winning or are too dumb to know how the manager they like is blocking the chance to win. That may be the case, I'm not saying either way. But I personally think it's being dishonest to deny that the players really do as a whole tend to appreciate Dusty much more than the average manager.