Gathright for cubs pitching prospect?

[nilodnayr]

Per Rotoworld

 

Joey Gathright - OF - Devil Rays

 

 

The Devil Rays are reportedly still trying to deal Joey Gathright for "one premium pitching prospect."

Well sure, why wouldn't they be? The Marlins still seem like the best fit and the two teams are said to still be talking about a potential trade involving Scott Olsen or Ricky Nolasco. Mar. 27 - 11:18 am et

Source: St Petersburg Times

 

 

:wall: So, Jim could have kept Mitre and Pinto and traded Nolasco for a 400K, 23 yr old Pierre. Its not even opening day and already we are getting salt poured in our wounds.

[Handlebar McSkullet]

Gathwright isnt at pierre's level yet...

 

Wait till next year, when Pierre is gone, Nolasco is ROY, and Pie tears his acl.

[nilodnayr]

Gathwright isnt at pierre's level yet...

 

Wait till next year, when Pierre is gone, Nolasco is ROY, and Pie tears his acl.

 

Welcome to the board. And only time will tell whether or not this is the year Gathright becomes a Pierre clone. However, I cant find a more comparable player in terms of the numbers they've put up at their levels. And Pierre's best year was actually his age 24 first full year in the majors, which happens to be Gathrights upcoming year.

[katway]

He's not nearly as good as Pierre. Pierre is a proven leadoff hitter that knows his job. Gathright is still working on it and can easily become another failed prospect. In any event, gotta admit Pierre has impressed me thus far with his work ethic and clubhouse value; there are very few players that can bring that kind of value to a team.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Gaithright isn't as good as Pierre and there's no guarantees that he will be. I do think we over-paid for Pierre, but it doesn't mean I think we should have pursued Gaithright.

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

If Nolasco is indeed a "premium pitching prospect" in other peoples' eyes, we should have gone a different way than Slappy.

[TB_11]

Pierre is definitely a better option for 2006 than Gathwright, although the thought of having developed versions of Murton, Pie and Gathright roaming our outfield next year is enticing.

[CubinNY]

He's not nearly as good as Pierre. Pierre is a proven leadoff hitter that knows his job. Gathright is still working on it and can easily become another failed prospect. In any event, gotta admit Pierre has impressed me thus far with his work ethic and clubhouse value; there are very few players that can bring that kind of value to a team.

 

No there are a lot of players who can bring:

 

1. a good work ethic

2. a good clubhous presence

3. a job knowing abilitiy

 

Heck, I'll do that and for the league minimum.

 

What I hope Pierre brings is a +.350 OBP. The rest I could care less about.

[UMFan83]

Just want to say that this is one of those thread titles that should have a "?" after it. I almost flipped out this morning upon seeing it

[TrueBlueCubFan]

If Nolasco is indeed a "premium pitching prospect" in other peoples' eyes, we should have gone a different way than Slappy.

& what way would that have been that your aware of?

[Roast]

He's not nearly as good as Pierre. Pierre is a proven leadoff hitter that knows his job. Gathright is still working on it and can easily become another failed prospect. In any event, gotta admit Pierre has impressed me thus far with his work ethic and clubhouse value; there are very few players that can bring that kind of value to a team.

 

No there are a lot of players who can bring:

 

1. a good work ethic

2. a good clubhouse presence

3. a job knowing abilitiy

 

Heck, I'll do that and for the league minimum.

 

What I hope Pierre brings is a +.350 OBP. The rest I could care less about.

 

Exactly. I dont care if he "knows his job" i dont care that he's a "good clubhouse presence".

 

I'll go back to my old standby "Babe ruth and lou gehrig didnt talk for 5 years, yet batted back to back, and things turned out pretty well"

 

Chemistry and all these "intangibles" are bogus. Give me a .350+ OBP out of my leadoff guy and i'll be happy.

[srbin84]

He's not nearly as good as Pierre. Pierre is a proven leadoff hitter that knows his job. Gathright is still working on it and can easily become another failed prospect. In any event, gotta admit Pierre has impressed me thus far with his work ethic and clubhouse value; there are very few players that can bring that kind of value to a team.

 

No there are a lot of players who can bring:

 

1. a good work ethic

2. a good clubhouse presence

3. a job knowing abilitiy

 

Heck, I'll do that and for the league minimum.

 

What I hope Pierre brings is a +.350 OBP. The rest I could care less about.

 

Exactly. I dont care if he "knows his job" i dont care that he's a "good clubhouse presence".

 

I'll go back to my old standby "Babe ruth and lou gehrig didnt talk for 5 years, yet batted back to back, and things turned out pretty well"

 

Chemistry and all these "intangibles" are bogus. Give me a .350+ OBP out of my leadoff guy and i'll be happy.

 

I take it you guys are big fans of T.O. then.

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

If Nolasco is indeed a "premium pitching prospect" in other peoples' eyes, we should have gone a different way than Slappy.

& what way would that have been that your aware of?

 

I would have kept Nolasco, overpaid for Furcal to get our "leadoff hitter" (who i didn't want until i realized we were going to go with Pierre for decent talent, and blocking Pie in the process). Pie is mediocre in a corner OF spot and a possible stud in CF.

 

I also would have picked up Michaels and stuck him in RF instead of Jones. The next good long term RF option to come on the trade market would be ours. muahahahaha :lol:

[CardsFanInChiTown]

If Nolasco is indeed a "premium pitching prospect" in other peoples' eyes, we should have gone a different way than Slappy.

& what way would that have been that your aware of?

 

I would have kept Nolasco, overpaid for Furcal to get our "leadoff hitter" (who i didn't want until i realized we were going to go with Pierre for decent talent, and blocking Pie in the process). Pie is mediocre in a corner OF spot and a possible stud in CF.

 

I also would have picked up Michaels and stuck him in RF instead of Jones. The next good long term RF option to come on the trade market would be ours. muahahahaha :lol:

 

What is the max you would have paid? What do you think Nolasco's ceiling is?

 

I think JH made the right move here.

[CubinNY]

He's not nearly as good as Pierre. Pierre is a proven leadoff hitter that knows his job. Gathright is still working on it and can easily become another failed prospect. In any event, gotta admit Pierre has impressed me thus far with his work ethic and clubhouse value; there are very few players that can bring that kind of value to a team.

 

No there are a lot of players who can bring:

 

1. a good work ethic

2. a good clubhouse presence

3. a job knowing abilitiy

 

Heck, I'll do that and for the league minimum.

 

What I hope Pierre brings is a +.350 OBP. The rest I could care less about.

 

Exactly. I dont care if he "knows his job" i dont care that he's a "good clubhouse presence".

 

I'll go back to my old standby "Babe ruth and lou gehrig didnt talk for 5 years, yet batted back to back, and things turned out pretty well"

 

Chemistry and all these "intangibles" are bogus. Give me a .350+ OBP out of my leadoff guy and i'll be happy.

 

I take it you guys are big fans of T.O. then.

 

Does he have a +.350 OBP?

[srbin84]

He's not nearly as good as Pierre. Pierre is a proven leadoff hitter that knows his job. Gathright is still working on it and can easily become another failed prospect. In any event, gotta admit Pierre has impressed me thus far with his work ethic and clubhouse value; there are very few players that can bring that kind of value to a team.

 

No there are a lot of players who can bring:

 

1. a good work ethic

2. a good clubhouse presence

3. a job knowing abilitiy

 

Heck, I'll do that and for the league minimum.

 

What I hope Pierre brings is a +.350 OBP. The rest I could care less about.

 

Exactly. I dont care if he "knows his job" i dont care that he's a "good clubhouse presence".

 

I'll go back to my old standby "Babe ruth and lou gehrig didnt talk for 5 years, yet batted back to back, and things turned out pretty well"

 

Chemistry and all these "intangibles" are bogus. Give me a .350+ OBP out of my leadoff guy and i'll be happy.

 

I take it you guys are big fans of T.O. then.

 

Does he have a +.350 OBP?

 

I'm talking about football. It shouldn't make a difference what sport we are talking about it, what your saying is that on the field production is all the matters and chemistry is a non-factor. Using this school of thought, Owens is the best reciever in football, and you guys would have loved to see your teams get him.

[TrueBlueCubFan]

If Nolasco is indeed a "premium pitching prospect" in other peoples' eyes, we should have gone a different way than Slappy.

& what way would that have been that your aware of?

 

I would have kept Nolasco, overpaid for Furcal to get our "leadoff hitter" (who i didn't want until i realized we were going to go with Pierre for decent talent, and blocking Pie in the process). Pie is mediocre in a corner OF spot and a possible stud in CF.

 

I also would have picked up Michaels and stuck him in RF instead of Jones. The next good long term RF option to come on the trade market would be ours. muahahahaha :lol:

 

I also liked Nolasco & his #'s LY impressed me more than did Hill's. However, I'm glad JH didn't pay 13 mil. + a year for Furcal. It gives him more room to resign Lee, pay Zambrano when he becomes a FA after the 07' season. I 'm not a huge of the Jones signing, but I also realize options were very limited. The Phillies got Arthur Rhodes who is an experienced LH set-up man in the Michaels trade. Sounds to me like the Cubs didn't have that to trade & therefore the Cubs were not a good fit for the Phillies to trade Michaels to the Cubs.

 

Pie is 21 & still developing & it's unknown what kind of corner OF he will turn out to be.

 

The Cubs did overpay prospects slightly to get Pierre. Pinto & Mitre, in my opinion, don't seem to be that big of a loss. However, the Cubs had plenty of good pitching prospects in their system. The farm is there to improve the big club & that is what JH did.

[srbin84]

Ok, better example. The Cubs are in first place by one game at the trade deadline. Matt Murton is out for the season. Barry Bonds is available to the Cubs at a cheap price. He's healthy and having another one of his amazing seasons. Bonds has admitted to steroid use, but still hasn't failed a test, and claims he is not on anything now. Would you want him and why or why not?

[Roast]

 

I take it you guys are big fans of T.O. then.

 

No, there is a major difference. T.O. seems as if he is actively trying to disturb the peace. There are very few people in baseball that are even in the same league of assholeism as T.O.

 

Honestly, I cant think of one man in baseball who tears his team to shambles like him. Owens is a special case, an exception to the rule, if you will. For the most part, the myth that is Team Chemistry is b.s. Winning causes good team chemistry, not the other way around.

 

You can be as happy as you want but it wont get you anywhere if you cant perform. Therefore targeting one player over another because he is "knowlegable, and a good clubhouse presence" is going to get you nowhere. Pick players based on talent. People like Terrell Owens are exceptions to the rule.

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

If Nolasco is indeed a "premium pitching prospect" in other peoples' eyes, we should have gone a different way than Slappy.

& what way would that have been that your aware of?

 

I would have kept Nolasco, overpaid for Furcal to get our "leadoff hitter" (who i didn't want until i realized we were going to go with Pierre for decent talent, and blocking Pie in the process). Pie is mediocre in a corner OF spot and a possible stud in CF.

 

I also would have picked up Michaels and stuck him in RF instead of Jones. The next good long term RF option to come on the trade market would be ours. muahahahaha :lol:

 

I also liked Nolasco & his #'s LY impressed me more than did Hill's. However, I'm glad JH didn't pay 13 mil. + a year for Furcal. It gives him more room to resign Lee, pay Zambrano when he becomes a FA after the 07' season. I 'm not a huge of the Jones signing, but I also realize options were very limited. The Phillies got Arthur Rhodes who is an experienced LH set-up man in the Michaels trade. Sounds to me like the Cubs didn't have that to trade & therefore the Cubs were not a good fit for the Phillies to trade Michaels to the Cubs.

 

Pie is 21 & still developing & it's unknown what kind of corner OF he will turn out to be.

 

The Cubs did overpay prospects slightly to get Pierre. Pinto & Mitre, in my opinion, don't seem to be that big of a loss. However, the Cubs had plenty of good pitching prospects in their system. The farm is there to improve the big club & that is what JH did.

 

I can more easily stomach 13M/3years for a guy entering his prime than I can a 50M/5 (that was the rumored Cubs figure, right?). The difference is a whopping 3M/year, which isn't going to prevent us from re-signing DLee (I don't think he deserves Konerko years anyway) or Z. Not retaining someone like Rusch and using a young arm who isn't yet arbitration eligible almost saves that amount.

 

Instead we gave up a good arm (i agree that Pinto and Mitre were nothing special). What stud arms do we have now (that are healthy)? Zambrano. Maddux is gone after this season. Rusch is...Rusch. Williams could be a decent number 3 if he stops getting off to slow starts. We'd better start developing some ML ready pitchers (Nolasco was a good option) b/c the FA market for SP is going to be either ridiculously expensive or barren. Hill, Marshall, and Guzman are all decent bets to make the Cubs rotation eventually, but they're not sure things (especially considering injuries). You have to throw crap against the wall and see what sticks. Nolasco would have improved our odds of getting a cheap ML SP from our farm. He's certainly got the stuff.

 

Pie had better not be a corner OF. I'd like some power in a corner OF spot.

 

Just b/c the Phillies settled for an experience setup man doesn't mean that's all they were looking for and we didn't have the players the Phillies wanted for Michaels.

 

Yeah, JH did improve the ML club with his Pierre trade - short term. Long term, it looks like a boneheaded move just b/c we needed that "hard to find leadoff guy."

[ltb]

Owens is the best reciever in football,

 

correct.

 

and you guys would have loved to see your teams get him.

 

without a doubt.

[Monco]

Were the D-Rays willing to take Nolasco for Gathright in December?Remember they had alot of players to move and were asking for alot.Gathright would have been alot cheaper than Pierre and is not a free agent next year.The money saved paying Gathright could have been spent other places.Hendry seems to do whatever it takes to get the deal done.With all the talks with the D-Rays and unable to get anyone,I have to feel the D-Rays were asking for way too much.

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

Were the D-Rays willing to take Nolasco for Gathright in December?Remember they had alot of players to move and were asking for alot.Gathright would have been alot cheaper than Pierre and is not a free agent next year.The money saved paying Gathright could have been spent other places.Hendry seems to do whatever it takes to get the deal done.With all the talks with the D-Rays and unable to get anyone,I have to feel the D-Rays were asking for way too much.

 

They have a new GM, don't they? I'm not sure when that happened, but LaMar was a dink.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

He's not nearly as good as Pierre. Pierre is a proven leadoff hitter that knows his job. Gathright is still working on it and can easily become another failed prospect. In any event, gotta admit Pierre has impressed me thus far with his work ethic and clubhouse value; there are very few players that can bring that kind of value to a team.

 

No there are a lot of players who can bring:

 

1. a good work ethic

2. a good clubhouse presence

3. a job knowing abilitiy

 

Heck, I'll do that and for the league minimum.

 

What I hope Pierre brings is a +.350 OBP. The rest I could care less about.

 

Exactly. I dont care if he "knows his job" i dont care that he's a "good clubhouse presence".

 

I'll go back to my old standby "Babe ruth and lou gehrig didnt talk for 5 years, yet batted back to back, and things turned out pretty well"

 

Chemistry and all these "intangibles" are bogus. Give me a .350+ OBP out of my leadoff guy and i'll be happy.

 

I take it you guys are big fans of T.O. then.

 

Does he have a +.350 OBP?

 

I'm talking about football. It shouldn't make a difference what sport we are talking about it, what your saying is that on the field production is all the matters and chemistry is a non-factor. Using this school of thought, Owens is the best reciever in football, and you guys would have loved to see your teams get him.

 

I do love the fact that my team got him!

[Illini Iceman]

Gathright's defense is brutal.