Prior delayed again

[Mizzou]

Someone touched on it earlier (JeffH maybe)? But what's with the thing where the Cubs can't release injury information without Prior's consent?

[Blueheart05]

Someone touched on it earlier (JeffH maybe)? But what's with the thing where the Cubs can't release injury information without Prior's consent?

 

That's a standard law (HIPAA). Your employer can't do it either

[goonys evil twin]

Someone touched on it earlier (JeffH maybe)? But what's with the thing where the Cubs can't release injury information without Prior's consent?

 

That's a standard law (HIPAA). Your employer can't do it either

 

Although there's some question about how that works in the sports world, where information is released all the time, presumably not always with the player's consent.

[Blueheart05]

Someone touched on it earlier (JeffH maybe)? But what's with the thing where the Cubs can't release injury information without Prior's consent?

 

That's a standard law (HIPAA). Your employer can't do it either

 

Although there's some question about how that works in the sports world, where information is released all the time, presumably not always with the player's consent.

 

This law covers the the sports world. Medical information that is leaked is usually done anonymously. It is a violation of HIPAA (Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996) because the assumption is that the information was optained by someone with access to medical records. If the source was disclosed, the person would face prosecution.

 

Edit:

Technically employers are not covered under HIPAA but for companies that provide group health plans (insurance in excess of 5M) there is no seperation. If a trainer, coach, HR Rep, etc receives medical information related to an individual's medical status he/she is forced to keep that information private unless the patient agrees to make it public.

Edited March 15, 2006 by Blueheart05

[goonys evil twin]

Someone touched on it earlier (JeffH maybe)? But what's with the thing where the Cubs can't release injury information without Prior's consent?

 

That's a standard law (HIPAA). Your employer can't do it either

 

Although there's some question about how that works in the sports world, where information is released all the time, presumably not always with the player's consent.

 

This law covers the the sports world. Medical information that is leaked is usually done anonymously. It is a violation of HIPAA (Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996) because the assumption is that the information was optained by someone with access to medical records. If the source was disclosed, the person would face prosecution.

 

I realize it's covered in theory, but my point is it happens all the time and there's never any hint of prosecution. Occasionally an agent will complain if it happens during contract negotiations, but that's about it.

[nick23]

Of all the crappy things that have happened in the history of this miserable team, having two pitchers with as much talent as Prior and Wood not stay healthy through their prime years probably ranks 1 on the crappy scale. It's just not fair.

[nick23]

And nobody will ever be able to convince me that the cubs haven't known about this all spring. This organization is a joke.

[Andy]

Of all the crappy things that have happened in the history of this miserable team, having two pitchers with as much talent as Prior and Wood not stay healthy through their prime years probably ranks 1 on the crappy scale. It's just not fair.

Yup. Pretty much.

 

And when the Cubs did have a guy who was healthy and pitched well, they lowballed him and let him go to Atlanta for 11 productive years.

[Blueheart05]

Someone touched on it earlier (JeffH maybe)? But what's with the thing where the Cubs can't release injury information without Prior's consent?

 

That's a standard law (HIPAA). Your employer can't do it either

 

Although there's some question about how that works in the sports world, where information is released all the time, presumably not always with the player's consent.

 

This law covers the the sports world. Medical information that is leaked is usually done anonymously. It is a violation of HIPAA (Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act of 1996) because the assumption is that the information was optained by someone with access to medical records. If the source was disclosed, the person would face prosecution.

 

I realize it's covered in theory, but my point is it happens all the time and there's never any hint of prosecution. Occasionally an agent will complain if it happens during contract negotiations, but that's about it.

 

There is little recourse if the agent doesn't know the source of the leak (he/she can assume it was the team but without proof the person is at risk for making slanderous comments).

[Wilson A2000]

Where is that guy who said Prior is not an injury threat in his signature?

[badgercub]

In light of how things have gone on this bd. for a while now, I am surprised to find so many of us defending the Cubs in this instance.

 

In the past I defended JH and company b/c I felt they deserved the benefit of the doubt. They have used up those free passes with me.

 

IMO, you can bury your head in the sand or face facts: the Cubs current regime is not forthcoming with the fanbase about its intentions or the staus of its players. I personally believe this tone is set at the top by MacPhail; as long as the team continues to sell tix and bring in big bucks, he has little to worry about. Accordingly, unlike the Yanks or Red Sox, there is no requirement that Cubs officials be accountable for their actions or inactions. The result is what we have seen with Wood and Prior this Spring.

 

Of course, my own argument is contrasted by the fact taht neither JH nor Dusty have received extensions. Here's hoping that I am proven wrong.

 

Not to defend the how the Cubs have handled this, but would it make a difference as to whether Prior will be able to play or not. If he's injured, he's injured it isn't going to make a difference whether the Cubs admit it or not. Also, I am beginning to think Prior is a bit of a hypochondriac when it comes to any discomfort in his shoulder. The same thing happened last year and they didn't find anything at all wrong with the shoulder.

[Andy]

Where is that guy who said Prior is not an injury threat in his signature?

That was SouthSideRyan, but until now he was right. However, Prior has proven to be just another Kerry Wood. The only difference is that we never know the extent of his problems until just after we start to think we can survive without Kerry...

[Mark Priors Calves]

How does the NFL deal with HIPAA laws? They release injury reports every week.

[daske17]

That was SouthSideRyan, but until now he was right. However, Prior has proven to be just another Kerry Wood. The only difference is that we never know the extent of his problems until just after we start to think we can survive without Kerry...

 

One thing that I was reminded of last night (it was in a dream. . . how sad is it that I'm dreaming about this current injury), but one of the major concerns about Prior as he was brought up in 2002 was his ability to handle a major league pitchload.

 

Up until his debut, he had never dealt anything beyond 150 innings in a season (I believe). If he has reinjured his shoulder, this may be proof that while he can be dominant, he may not be able put up 200 innings year after year.

 

How long before the "Prior for Closer" threads start up?

[goonys evil twin]

How does the NFL deal with HIPAA laws? They release injury reports every week.

 

Maybe in the CBA the players give up that right.

[goonys evil twin]

Up until his debut, he had never dealt anything beyond 150 innings in a season (I believe). If he has reinjured his shoulder, this may be proof that while he can be dominant, he may not be able put up 200 innings year after year.

 

Or maybe the Cubs did a poor job of introducing him slowly to a major league workload, and he would have been fine if he wasn't among the league leaders in pitches thrown so early in his careerm, and wasn't left out there for 120+ pitches so often.

[Mark Priors Calves]

How does the NFL deal with HIPAA laws? They release injury reports every week.

 

Maybe in the CBA the players give up that right.

Interesting. Maybe the MLBPA has the same rule.

[Blueheart05]

How does the NFL deal with HIPAA laws? They release injury reports every week.

 

Good question. The players may have to sign waviers.

[sonofsamiam]

Up until his debut, he had never dealt anything beyond 150 innings in a season (I believe). If he has reinjured his shoulder, this may be proof that while he can be dominant, he may not be able put up 200 innings year after year.

 

Or maybe the Cubs did a poor job of introducing him slowly to a major league workload, and he would have been fine if he wasn't among the league leaders in pitches thrown so early in his careerm, and wasn't left out there for 120+ pitches so often.

 

Agreed. IIRC, there is actually a fair amount of research showing that it's not necessarily number of pitches in a vacuum, but the suddenness with which a pitcher jumps from few to many pitches, whether over the course of a season or in an individual game.

 

Again, while I think the Cubs organization handles just about anything regarding public relations horrendously (esp. forthcomingness on injuries), I'm going to withhold worry until he misses starts.

 

Remember last year -- this whole scenario played out in a similar way, yet he only missed 1 start at the beginning of the season. He was rolling along just fine until the line drive.

[wade]

I'm going to try to look at this two ways.

 

One, in the Trib article today there is quick mention that Prior had planned to go to San Diego today all along. With Yokum being in California, maybe the Cubs saw it as an opportunity to double check his shoulder and if o.k. he won't miss more that a day or two.

 

BUT

 

Two, two years ago, during the achilles saga, they sent him to Northwestern for tests and didn't tell anyone that the elbow would be looked at until later. I did a lexis-nexis search and March 28-29 2004 he went for the tests and the articles in the papers following that all express surprise that there was even concern over the elbow and that the Cubs had been insisting all was well the previous week (sound familiar?).

 

So I guess I'm saying, who knows? That trip he checked out structurally o.k., but was still delayed a significant amount of time.

 

No matter whether the Cubs are inept, conspiring for ticket sales, or out of Prior's loop, I can't believe anything until he pitches in some kind of game.

 

Hopefully that will happen this year.

[Blueheart05]

Up until his debut, he had never dealt anything beyond 150 innings in a season (I believe). If he has reinjured his shoulder, this may be proof that while he can be dominant, he may not be able put up 200 innings year after year.

 

Or maybe the Cubs did a poor job of introducing him slowly to a major league workload, and he would have been fine if he wasn't among the league leaders in pitches thrown so early in his careerm, and wasn't left out there for 120+ pitches so often.

 

Agreed. IIRC, there is actually a fair amount of research showing that it's not necessarily number of pitches in a vacuum, but the suddenness with which a pitcher jumps from few to many pitches, whether over the course of a season or in an individual game.

 

Again, while I think the Cubs organization handles just about anything regarding public relations horrendously (esp. forthcomingness on injuries), I'm going to withhold worry until he misses starts.

 

Remember last year -- this whole scenario played out in a similar way, yet he only missed 1 start at the beginning of the season. He was rolling along just fine until the line drive.

 

Exactly! We have been here before. I am not going to get too excited until I hear he is going to miss time (significant or not). Last year they could not find a source for his aliments...

[daske17]

Or maybe the Cubs did a poor job of introducing him slowly to a major league workload, and he would have been fine if he wasn't among the league leaders in pitches thrown so early in his careerm, and wasn't left out there for 120+ pitches so often.

 

Well, they didn't introduce him slowly in 2002, and shut him down in late August because he was complaining about shoulder soreness. It was 2003, with Dusty "Pitchers are my playthings" Baker where he was amped way the heck up.

 

So Prior's been complaining of soreness going on his fourth year now. All of this may not be the Cubs use of him. He may just be susceptible to soreness that needs to be accurately addressed.

[goonys evil twin]

Or maybe the Cubs did a poor job of introducing him slowly to a major league workload, and he would have been fine if he wasn't among the league leaders in pitches thrown so early in his careerm, and wasn't left out there for 120+ pitches so often.

 

Well, they didn't introduce him slowly in 2002, and shut him down in late August because he was complaining about shoulder soreness. It was 2003, with Dusty "Pitchers are my playthings" Baker where he was amped way the heck up.

 

So Prior's been complaining of soreness going on his fourth year now. All of this may not be the Cubs use of him. He may just be susceptible to soreness that needs to be accurately addressed.

 

Prior supposedly hurt his hamstrings in 2002 before being shut down. I never heard about him complaining of shoulder soreness that year. He was also in his first pro season, at 21, throwing 40 more innings than he had ever before.

[beer_man]

Why would the Cubs lie? Because some people will believe them.

 

Note to self: If the Cubs say nothing is wrong, Something is wrong...

 

Fool me once shame on you...

Fool me twice...

[Wheelimus]

Hopefully it's nothing wrong. After what Mark's gone through the last few years, i'd be reporting anything I felt or thought I felt if I were him.