NSBB 2006 NCAA Mock Selection Committee

[bukie]

Got 2 more, I'll wait till tomorrow morning to see if I can get the last 3.

 

Last step, due Sunday by noon CST, is a seeding of the 65 teams in the field from 1-65. I'll get the teams in the field tomorrow (aside from any auto bids that haven't been clinched yet).

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Sorry, I'm working on mine right now.

[bukie]

Sorry, I'm working on mine right now.

 

No problemo, it's all volunteer work. :)

[bukie]

Ok, it's Saturday morning, and here's our field of 65:

 

Auto bids (clinched in bold) (31):

Albany - AMERICA EAST

Duke - ACC

Belmont - ATLANTIC SUN

St. Joseph's - ATLANTIC 10

Pittsburgh - BIG EAST

Montana - BIG SKY

Winthrop - BIG SOUTH

Ohio State - BIG TEN

Texas - BIG 12

Pacific - BIG WEST

UNC Wilmington - COLONIAL

Memphis - CONFERENCE USA

Wisconsin Milwaukee - HORIZON LEAGUE

Pennsylvania - IVY LEAGUE

Iona - METRO ATLANTIC

Kent State - MID-AMERICAN

Oral Roberts - MID-CONTINENT

Delaware State - MID-EASTERN

Southern Illinois - MISSOURI VALLEY

San Diego State - MOUNTAIN WEST

Monmouth - NORTHEAST

Murray State - OHIO VALLEY

UCLA - PAC-10

Bucknell - PATRIOT

LSU - SEC

Davidson - SOUTHERN

Northwestern State - SOUTHLAND

Southern - SOUTHWESTERN ATHLETIC

South Alabama - SUN BELT

Gonzaga - WEST COAST

Nevada - WESTERN ATHLETIC

 

At-large bids (34):

Boston College

Connecticut

Florida

George Washington

Georgetown

Illinois

Indiana

Iowa

Kansas

Marquette

Michigan State

North Carolina

North Carolina State

Oklahoma

Tennessee

Villanova

Washington

West Virginia

Wisconsin

 

and... (in vote order from last night)

Northern Iowa

Wichita State

Syracuse

Arizona

Kentucky

Bradley

UAB

Arkansas

Missouri State

George Mason

California

Alabama

Hofstra

Texas A&M

Cincinnati

 

Last 4 out:

Creighton

Seton Hall

Michigan

Air Force

 

STEP 3: Rank the 65 teams from 1-65, to work with seeding. Please get them to me by Sunday (tomorrow) at noon CST.

 

Note: At-large bids will be taken away if Wake Forest wins the ACC tournament, if Utah State wins the WAC, if Nebraska wins the Big 12, or if South Carolina wins the SEC.

[SouthSideRyan]

WHOO!! No Maryland!!

[CuseCubFan69]

I'm confused on how this top 50 is so important. If team 1 plays the 45th, 47th and 49th teams and goes 2-1 when team 2 plays the 2nd, 8th and 16th and goes 0-3 how does that make team 1 better if they have the same record or close to the same record?

[bukie]

I'm confused on how this top 50 is so important. If team 1 plays the 45th, 47th and 49th teams and goes 2-1 when team 2 plays the 2nd, 8th and 16th and goes 0-3 how does that make team 1 better if they have the same record or close to the same record?

 

Top 50 is generally teams that will be in the tournament. Granted, not all teams in the tournament are equal, but showing the ability to win against the teams that will be in the tournament is helpful to determine whether or not they are worth being in there.

[bukie]

Albany just won the America East championship, so they are in for sure. Same for Memphis in the C-USA.

[CuseCubFan69]

I'm confused on how this top 50 is so important. If team 1 plays the 45th, 47th and 49th teams and goes 2-1 when team 2 plays the 2nd, 8th and 16th and goes 0-3 how does that make team 1 better if they have the same record or close to the same record?

 

Top 50 is generally teams that will be in the tournament. Granted, not all teams in the tournament are equal, but showing the ability to win against the teams that will be in the tournament is helpful to determine whether or not they are worth being in there.

 

I agree with what Jay Bilas said, would team A beat team B in a 7 game series? I just think this top 50 thing is just too random because I would rather play 45, 47 and 49 if this is the case and it helps the Missouri Valley type leagues because they don't have to deal with 3-5 top 25 teams twice each.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I'm confused on how this top 50 is so important. If team 1 plays the 45th, 47th and 49th teams and goes 2-1 when team 2 plays the 2nd, 8th and 16th and goes 0-3 how does that make team 1 better if they have the same record or close to the same record?

 

Top 50 is generally teams that will be in the tournament. Granted, not all teams in the tournament are equal, but showing the ability to win against the teams that will be in the tournament is helpful to determine whether or not they are worth being in there.

 

I agree with what Jay Bilas said, would team A beat team B in a 7 game series? I just think this top 50 thing is just too random because I would rather play 45, 47 and 49 if this is the case and it helps the Missouri Valley type leagues because they don't have to deal with 3-5 top 25 teams twice each.

 

The MVC has the 19, 23, 25, 35, and 40 teams in the RPI top 50. That's an average of 28, a median of 25. The Big East has the 2, 3, 7, 18, 28, 34, 38, and 41 teams. That's an average of 21 and a median of 23. Not a huge difference.

[CuseCubFan69]

I'm confused on how this top 50 is so important. If team 1 plays the 45th, 47th and 49th teams and goes 2-1 when team 2 plays the 2nd, 8th and 16th and goes 0-3 how does that make team 1 better if they have the same record or close to the same record?

 

Top 50 is generally teams that will be in the tournament. Granted, not all teams in the tournament are equal, but showing the ability to win against the teams that will be in the tournament is helpful to determine whether or not they are worth being in there.

 

I agree with what Jay Bilas said, would team A beat team B in a 7 game series? I just think this top 50 thing is just too random because I would rather play 45, 47 and 49 if this is the case and it helps the Missouri Valley type leagues because they don't have to deal with 3-5 top 25 teams twice each.

 

The MVC has the 19, 23, 25, 35, and 40 teams in the RPI top 50. That's an average of 28, a median of 25. The Big East has the 2, 3, 7, 18, 28, 34, 38, and 41 teams. That's an average of 21 and a median of 23. Not a huge difference.

 

But the thing is that the top 50 thing is included in the RPI thus making my point. Syracuses RPI is worse because of playing UConn and Villanova 5 times and going 1-4 while one of these Missouri Valley teams are playing a 19 at the very best.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

I'm confused on how this top 50 is so important. If team 1 plays the 45th, 47th and 49th teams and goes 2-1 when team 2 plays the 2nd, 8th and 16th and goes 0-3 how does that make team 1 better if they have the same record or close to the same record?

 

Top 50 is generally teams that will be in the tournament. Granted, not all teams in the tournament are equal, but showing the ability to win against the teams that will be in the tournament is helpful to determine whether or not they are worth being in there.

 

I agree with what Jay Bilas said, would team A beat team B in a 7 game series? I just think this top 50 thing is just too random because I would rather play 45, 47 and 49 if this is the case and it helps the Missouri Valley type leagues because they don't have to deal with 3-5 top 25 teams twice each.

 

The MVC has the 19, 23, 25, 35, and 40 teams in the RPI top 50. That's an average of 28, a median of 25. The Big East has the 2, 3, 7, 18, 28, 34, 38, and 41 teams. That's an average of 21 and a median of 23. Not a huge difference.

 

But the thing is that the top 50 thing is included in the RPI thus making my point. Syracuses RPI is worse because of playing UConn and Villanova 5 times and going 1-4 while one of these Missouri Valley teams are playing a 19 at the very best.

 

You still can't assume that Syracuse would win if they were playing a team with a lower RPI and you can't assume the MVC teams would lose playing a higher RPI team. Syracuse is an extreme example with their schedule, but they killed their seeding by losing to Seton Hall, Cincy, and Bucknell at home, and to DePaul on the road. All those teams are outside the top 40 RPI.

[bukie]

I'm confused on how this top 50 is so important. If team 1 plays the 45th, 47th and 49th teams and goes 2-1 when team 2 plays the 2nd, 8th and 16th and goes 0-3 how does that make team 1 better if they have the same record or close to the same record?

 

Top 50 is generally teams that will be in the tournament. Granted, not all teams in the tournament are equal, but showing the ability to win against the teams that will be in the tournament is helpful to determine whether or not they are worth being in there.

 

I agree with what Jay Bilas said, would team A beat team B in a 7 game series? I just think this top 50 thing is just too random because I would rather play 45, 47 and 49 if this is the case and it helps the Missouri Valley type leagues because they don't have to deal with 3-5 top 25 teams twice each.

 

The MVC has the 19, 23, 25, 35, and 40 teams in the RPI top 50. That's an average of 28, a median of 25. The Big East has the 2, 3, 7, 18, 28, 34, 38, and 41 teams. That's an average of 21 and a median of 23. Not a huge difference.

 

But the thing is that the top 50 thing is included in the RPI thus making my point. Syracuses RPI is worse because of playing UConn and Villanova 5 times and going 1-4 while one of these Missouri Valley teams are playing a 19 at the very best.

 

Syracuse's RPI was worse (it's 18 right now actually) because they played 3 more home games than the MVC schools. Without the new home/road weighting, Syracuse's RPI 2 days ago was 22 spots better.

[bukie]

My oh my, is Digger clueless.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

My oh my, is Digger clueless.

 

Jay Bilas just listed Notre Dame as a team Michigan beat in a case for them to be in the tournament.

[bukie]

My oh my, is Digger clueless.

 

Jay Bilas just listed Notre Dame as a team Michigan beat in a case for them to be in the tournament.

 

Yeah, I even like Lunardi, but I think putting together a bracket in mid-January, it's tough to get rid of teams they had up high earlier, and tough to get teams in that were way out earlier.

 

Absolutely no respect for the CAA or MVC. It's difficult to convince me that Seton Hall, Maryland, Michigan, or Florida State deserve to be in over Missouri State, George Mason, Hofstra, or Northern Iowa.

[RynoRules]

My oh my, is Digger clueless.

 

Jay Bilas just listed Notre Dame as a team Michigan beat in a case for them to be in the tournament.

 

Yeah, I even like Lunardi, but I think putting together a bracket in mid-January, it's tough to get rid of teams they had up high earlier, and tough to get teams in that were way out earlier.

 

Absolutely no respect for the CAA or MVC. It's difficult to convince me that Seton Hall, Maryland, Michigan, or Florida State deserve to be in over Missouri State, George Mason, Hofstra, or Northern Iowa.

 

Agreed, but how did the NSBB panel rank No Iowa ahead of Cuse in light of what they have dones over the last three nights?

[Transmogrified Tiger]

My oh my, is Digger clueless.

 

Jay Bilas just listed Notre Dame as a team Michigan beat in a case for them to be in the tournament.

 

Yeah, I even like Lunardi, but I think putting together a bracket in mid-January, it's tough to get rid of teams they had up high earlier, and tough to get teams in that were way out earlier.

 

Absolutely no respect for the CAA or MVC. It's difficult to convince me that Seton Hall, Maryland, Michigan, or Florida State deserve to be in over Missouri State, George Mason, Hofstra, or Northern Iowa.

 

I love how his reasoning for Missouri St. being out was "watching SIU and Bradley play last sunday, if that's what play is like in the MVC"

[bukie]

My oh my, is Digger clueless.

 

Jay Bilas just listed Notre Dame as a team Michigan beat in a case for them to be in the tournament.

 

Yeah, I even like Lunardi, but I think putting together a bracket in mid-January, it's tough to get rid of teams they had up high earlier, and tough to get teams in that were way out earlier.

 

Absolutely no respect for the CAA or MVC. It's difficult to convince me that Seton Hall, Maryland, Michigan, or Florida State deserve to be in over Missouri State, George Mason, Hofstra, or Northern Iowa.

 

Agreed, but how did the NSBB panel rank No Iowa ahead of Cuse in light of what they have dones over the last three nights?

 

3 nights is 3 nights. The rest of the season is different. It's like saying Temple is an at-large viable team just because they beat GW last week.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

My oh my, is Digger clueless.

 

Jay Bilas just listed Notre Dame as a team Michigan beat in a case for them to be in the tournament.

 

Yeah, I even like Lunardi, but I think putting together a bracket in mid-January, it's tough to get rid of teams they had up high earlier, and tough to get teams in that were way out earlier.

 

Absolutely no respect for the CAA or MVC. It's difficult to convince me that Seton Hall, Maryland, Michigan, or Florida State deserve to be in over Missouri State, George Mason, Hofstra, or Northern Iowa.

 

Agreed, but how did the NSBB panel rank No Iowa ahead of Cuse in light of what they have dones over the last three nights?

 

3 nights is 3 nights. The rest of the season is different. It's like saying Temple is an at-large viable team just because they beat GW last week.

 

Agreed. UNI is 8-7 v. the RPI top 50, Cuse 5-9.

[RynoRules]

My oh my, is Digger clueless.

 

Jay Bilas just listed Notre Dame as a team Michigan beat in a case for them to be in the tournament.

 

Yeah, I even like Lunardi, but I think putting together a bracket in mid-January, it's tough to get rid of teams they had up high earlier, and tough to get teams in that were way out earlier.

 

Absolutely no respect for the CAA or MVC. It's difficult to convince me that Seton Hall, Maryland, Michigan, or Florida State deserve to be in over Missouri State, George Mason, Hofstra, or Northern Iowa.

 

Agreed, but how did the NSBB panel rank No Iowa ahead of Cuse in light of what they have dones over the last three nights?

 

3 nights is 3 nights. The rest of the season is different. It's like saying Temple is an at-large viable team just because they beat GW last week.

 

Agreed. UNI is 8-7 v. the RPI top 50, Cuse 5-9.

 

But its not just three nights. To say that is to ignore what they did.

 

They beat Cinci - a top 30-35 RPI team; UConn, the no. 1 team in the country at that time; and Georgetown, a top 20 RPI team. What has No. Iowa done that compares to that, forgeting (which is silly) that Cuse did it over three straight nights.

 

BTW, Bradley beat No. Iowa twice, IIRC.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

 

But its not just three nights. To say that is to ignore what they did.

 

They beat Cinci - a top 30-35 RPI team; UConn, the no. 1it over team in the country at that time; and Georgetown, a top 20 RPI team. What has No. Iowa done that compares to that, nevermind that they did it over three straight nights.

 

BTW, Bradley beat No. Iowa twice, IIRC.

 

Northern Iowa beat Iowa(#14 and just beat #15), at LSU(#10), and Bucknell(#44, a team that beat Syracuse in the same situation) all outside their conference that has 4 other top 50 RPI teams.

[RynoRules]

 

Northern Iowa beat Iowa(#14 and just beat #15), at LSU(#10), and Bucknell(#44) all outside their conference that has 4 other top 50 RPI teams.

 

That's nice - really. But how is any of that comparable to beating UConn, the "cheese" between "sandwich" wins over Cinci and G-Town?

 

I like Bucknell, but lets not compare them with Cinci or G-Town, nevermind UConn. The Big East was arguably the toughest conference in basketabll this year, and if it wasn't, it was no. 2. Cuse is getting ready to go for "four-in-four" against most of the top 5 in the league, sans Nova. Too impressive to ignore, IMO.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

 

Northern Iowa beat Iowa(#14 and just beat #15), at LSU(#10), and Bucknell(#44) all outside their conference that has 4 other top 50 RPI teams.

 

That's nice - really. But how is any of that comparable to beating UConn, the "cheese" between "sandwich" wins over Cinci and G-Town?

 

I like Bucknell, but lets not compare them with Cinci or G-Town, nevermind UConn. The Big East was arguably the toughest conference in basketabll this year, and if it wasn't, it was no. 2. Cuse is getting ready to go for "four-in-four" against most of the top 5 in the league, sans Nova. Too impressive to ignore, IMO.

 

Sorry, I can't lend more credence to the wins just because they came on consecutive days. It's also very important that both UNI and Syracuse hosted Bucknell, with UNI winning and Syracuse losing. I don't really see how Bucknell is worse than Cincinnati, and UConn/Georgetown(3/38 RPI) is pretty comparable to LSU(beating Florida right now)/Iowa(10/14 RPI).

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Sorry, I'm working on mine right now.

 

No problemo, it's all volunteer work. :)

 

I apologize for not getting this in last night - I lost power right after that thanks to severe weather and low-elevation ice.