Rumor - Murton for Soriano?

[stitchface]

so have we traded murton for soriano, yet?

 

yes, dusty has proposed going with a 4 2b lineup - like a 3 guard lineup in basketball.

[Yeti]

so have we traded murton for soriano, yet?

i sure hope not...

[bhogg]

so have we traded murton for soriano, yet?

 

yes, dusty has proposed going with a 4 2b lineup - like a 3 guard lineup in basketball.

 

Awesome. Sometimes you have to get creative.

 

I certainly hope this means our pitchers will work the outside of the plate (to righties).

[noisesquared]

Yes, even in his worst year, he's better than what Baker pencilled into the leadoff spot most of last season. But that's not the argument here.

 

He's been in the league 5.5 years. He's had three full seasons and one half season (his rookie year) where his OBP at the end of the year was at least good. He's had two full seasons where his OBP frankly sucked for a guy that doesn't do anything else well but run fast (which isn't very useful if he's not getting on base). So 3.5 seasons of good production, two years of crap production. Doesn't exactly inspire confidence. That said, I do agree that he'll be better than what the Cubs had in the leadoff spot last year. I'm just not all that sure that he'll be three young pitchers and a few million dollars better than what the Cubs had in the leadoff spot last year.

 

I think there's a good chance Pierre will put up a .360+ OBP. I also think there's a good chance he'll put up a sub .340 OBP.

 

The point is, Pierre isn't exactly a sure bet.

 

While I agree that Pierre's not a sure bet, I tend to lean towards him putting up a .350+ OBP if he's healthy. Last year Pierre missed most of spring training and played hurt early. A healthy Pierre will be worth what was paid to acquire him.

 

And I think there's a chance Pierre puts up a sub .340 OBP, but I think the chances are better he puts up a .360 OBP.

[CuseCubFan69]

so have we traded murton for soriano, yet?

 

Who's Murton and Soriano?

 

I heard a report on ESPN Radio that was from a Texas Coach and he said Soriano can't even catch pop ups. He said he has a horrible time going back on balls hit in the air.

[bhogg]

If Soriano can "irritate" the opposition, I say send murton to the nats, ASAP.

 

Unless, of course, that red hair irritates the opposition, then I really don't know what to do.

[radarluv1]

brian lawrence will be out till the all star break with a torn labrum. i would trade some young pitching for soriano, not murton though.

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2344706

[rawaction]

brian lawrence will be out till the all star break with a torn labrum. i would trade some young pitching for soriano, not murton though.

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2344706

 

That sucks. He was one of my sleepers in that park. Of course, he wasn't very good in Petco, so.............

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I'd still rather trade for Vidro than Soriano.

[CubfaninCA]

It's 1 out of hundreds of examples. You guys should be the one's proving it doesn't exist since you're challenging around 100 years of conventional wisdom.

It is physically impossible to demonstrate something does not exist. One can only demonstrate that something exists.

 

Convential wisdom often gets people in trouble.

 

So the earth's still flat?

 

Different question. A theory can be proved or disproved by logical analysis of collected evidence, but non-existence of any particular thing can never be proved because for us mere mortals the collected evidence will always be incomplete, since it would require an encompassing knowledge of all things presently contained in the universe to state authoritatively that something does not exist. Non-ominiscient beings can never have more than a subset of the evidence required to prove non-existence.

 

Different question? No, that was a non sequiter.

 

No one can disprove the earth is flat. They can only prove that it is flat, and that is impossible. If it is impossible to prove it is flat the earth must be something else.

 

It is fun to believe in ghosts, UFOs, and "intangibles" like the fast guy on the basepaths bugs the pitcher. But at some point most people grow up. Then again some people never do.

 

LOL. What field teaches this idea?

 

Science. I understand if you've never heard of it.

 

Did you miss the chapter on Coperniucs?

[CubinNY]

Did you miss the chapter on Coperniucs?

 

You mean the part where he proved the Earth revolves around the Sun?

 

As a matter of fact building on the work of Copernicus, Galelao went one step further and published much of Copernicus's orignal work under his own name. This got him into a lot of hot water with the conventional wisdom crowd, namely the pope. After signing the papers for the pope saying that Sun didn't move he supposedly said under his breath, "but it still moves". For that he was placed on house arrest for the rest of his life.

 

Let's end this silliness and get back to discussing the terrible idea of trading Murton for Alph, shall we?

[biittner77]

WOW! Thanks. You've really opened my eyes. :roll: (first time using one of those "gay" emoticons...that's a case of beer)

 

I was obviously being sarcastic and I have absolutely no idea what you're point is. I, apparently, am one of the "weak minds".

 

Emoticons are not gay. Sure, they experimented with other emoticons in college but hey, they were young and it was kind of a crazy time in their lives. But they're not gay. 8)

[Careless]

It's 1 out of hundreds of examples. You guys should be the one's proving it doesn't exist since you're challenging around 100 years of conventional wisdom.

It is physically impossible to demonstrate something does not exist. One can only demonstrate that something exists.

 

Convential wisdom often gets people in trouble.

 

So the earth's still flat?

 

Different question. A theory can be proved or disproved by logical analysis of collected evidence, but non-existence of any particular thing can never be proved because for us mere mortals the collected evidence will always be incomplete, since it would require an encompassing knowledge of all things presently contained in the universe to state authoritatively that something does not exist. Non-ominiscient beings can never have more than a subset of the evidence required to prove non-existence.

 

Different question? No, that was a non sequiter.

 

No one can disprove the earth is flat. They can only prove that it is flat, and that is impossible. If it is impossible to prove it is flat the earth must be something else.

 

It is fun to believe in ghosts, UFOs, and "intangibles" like the fast guy on the basepaths bugs the pitcher. But at some point most people grow up. Then again some people never do.

the non-flat nature of the earth was proven millenia ago with a couple of sticks and a marking device. You've got the falsifiability of science backwards, NY

[Careless]

so have we traded murton for soriano, yet?

:lol: when I saw this was a 20+ page thread, I assumed there had to be something more than the original report, so I read the whole thing...

[brinoch]

It's 1 out of hundreds of examples. You guys should be the one's proving it doesn't exist since you're challenging around 100 years of conventional wisdom.

It is physically impossible to demonstrate something does not exist. One can only demonstrate that something exists.

 

Convential wisdom often gets people in trouble.

 

So the earth's still flat?

 

Different question. A theory can be proved or disproved by logical analysis of collected evidence, but non-existence of any particular thing can never be proved because for us mere mortals the collected evidence will always be incomplete, since it would require an encompassing knowledge of all things presently contained in the universe to state authoritatively that something does not exist. Non-ominiscient beings can never have more than a subset of the evidence required to prove non-existence.

 

Different question? No, that was a non sequiter.

 

No one can disprove the earth is flat. They can only prove that it is flat, and that is impossible. If it is impossible to prove it is flat the earth must be something else.

 

It is fun to believe in ghosts, UFOs, and "intangibles" like the fast guy on the basepaths bugs the pitcher. But at some point most people grow up. Then again some people never do.

the non-flat nature of the earth was proven millenia ago with a couple of sticks and a marking device. You've got the falsifiability of science backwards, NY

 

Any repeatable observation or experiment that disagrees with the predictions of a theory disproves it. On the other hand, you can never absolutely prove a theory is true because you can never be sure that an experiment won't contradict the theory.

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

so have we traded murton for soriano, yet?

:lol: when I saw this was a 20+ page thread, I assumed there had to be something more than the original report, so I read the whole thing...

 

sucker! :lol:

[ThePenguin11]

Soriano Update:

 

Alfonso Soriano - 2B - Nationals

 

Manager Frank Robinson said yesterday that Alfonso Soriano will not play in either of the two exhibition games before the start of the World Baseball Classic. "He's not playing because I didn't put him in the lineup," Robinson said. This situation is on a path to ugliness. Mar. 1 - 9:47 am et

 

Source: Washington Post

 

If they get desperate, I'd take him off their hands for Neifi and decent prospects - only if I could make something good come out of a Todd Walker trade. Neifi's contract is bad money, so to me, if we could spin Walker and Williamson or Williams for something valuable - I'd take on Soriano. That's really the only way. And Washington would have to be desperate to move him.

[Mushimus]

Soriano Update:

 

Alfonso Soriano - 2B - Nationals

 

Manager Frank Robinson said yesterday that Alfonso Soriano will not play in either of the two exhibition games before the start of the World Baseball Classic. "He's not playing because I didn't put him in the lineup," Robinson said. This situation is on a path to ugliness. Mar. 1 - 9:47 am et

 

Source: Washington Post

 

If they get desperate, I'd take him off their hands for Neifi and decent prospects - only if I could make something good come out of a Todd Walker trade. Neifi's contract is bad money, so to me, if we could spin Walker and Williamson or Williams for something valuable - I'd take on Soriano. That's really the only way. And Washington would have to be desperate to move him.

 

I wouldn't suprise me to see Bowden trade Vidro instead of Soriano.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

It seems the Nationals could be prepared to play hard ball with Soriano. I've heard rumblings that if he refuses to play the outfield, the Nationals may decide to put him on the suspended list. I'm sure the PA would then file a grievance. This is definitely a story worth following.

 

Bowden has put himself in a bad spot. He gave up some solid players to get Soriano and now would have to sell him for cents on the dollar.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Soriano Update:

 

Alfonso Soriano - 2B - Nationals

 

Manager Frank Robinson said yesterday that Alfonso Soriano will not play in either of the two exhibition games before the start of the World Baseball Classic. "He's not playing because I didn't put him in the lineup," Robinson said. This situation is on a path to ugliness. Mar. 1 - 9:47 am et

 

Source: Washington Post

 

If they get desperate, I'd take him off their hands for Neifi and decent prospects - only if I could make something good come out of a Todd Walker trade. Neifi's contract is bad money, so to me, if we could spin Walker and Williamson or Williams for something valuable - I'd take on Soriano. That's really the only way. And Washington would have to be desperate to move him.

 

I wouldn't suprise me to see Bowden trade Vidro instead of Soriano.

 

Vidro would have the higher value of the two.

[Mullets-R-us]

so have we traded murton for soriano, yet?

:lol: when I saw this was a 20+ page thread, I assumed there had to be something more than the original report, so I read the whole thing...

 

sucker! :lol:

 

I just joined and I got sucked into reading the whole thing, too. Some of you guys are pretty sensitive.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Welcome!

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

so have we traded murton for soriano, yet?

:lol: when I saw this was a 20+ page thread, I assumed there had to be something more than the original report, so I read the whole thing...

 

sucker! :lol:

 

I just joined and I got sucked into reading the whole thing, too. Some of you guys are pretty sensitive.

 

ain't dat the troof. I'm proud to say that all my posts in this thread were drama free. :lol:

[CubinNY]

so have we traded murton for soriano, yet?

:lol: when I saw this was a 20+ page thread, I assumed there had to be something more than the original report, so I read the whole thing...

 

sucker! :lol:

 

I just joined and I got sucked into reading the whole thing, too. Some of you guys are pretty sensitive.

 

Just a little pice of advice then. Personal attacks are frowned upon here.

[Gunned]

If you think saying that someone is sensitive is a personal attack ... well, you're too sensitive.