Rumor - Murton for Soriano?

[Dr. Cub]

Since I'm a betting man, I bet Vidro's gone soon. They gave up too much to get Soriano. The Cubs need to stay far away from Vidro. They've had way too many guys like him recently. He'll be on the DL by May.

 

If they can get him on the cheap, and get something of value for Walker, I'd be much more satisfied with the 2B depth chart of Vidro, Hairston, Perez, instead of Hairston, Perez.

 

I envision that to be a rather big if.

 

Wrong. This is a big IF. :wink:

[rjchapma]

Trading Murton for Soriano would be tantamount to trading our best outfielder with no replacement in the wings for a marginal upgrade (if that) at 2B.

 

Regardless of whether you think Soriano has value or not (which I don't), it's a dumb move, period.

 

Oh no please tell me you don't think Murton is our best OF. Thats just ridiculous.

[Andy]

Trading Murton for Soriano would be tantamount to trading our best outfielder with no replacement in the wings for a marginal upgrade (if that) at 2B.

 

Regardless of whether you think Soriano has value or not (which I don't), it's a dumb move, period.

 

Oh no please tell me you don't think Murton is our best OF. Thats just ridiculous.

Ummm, who's better? Pierre or Jockstrap Jones?

[Jehrico]

Since I'm a betting man, I bet Vidro's gone soon. They gave up too much to get Soriano. The Cubs need to stay far away from Vidro. They've had way too many guys like him recently. He'll be on the DL by May.

 

If they can get him on the cheap, and get something of value for Walker, I'd be much more satisfied with the 2B depth chart of Vidro, Hairston, Perez, instead of Hairston, Perez.

 

I envision that to be a rather big if.

 

Wrong. This is a big IF. :wink:

 

How about this IF?

[Jehrico]

Trading Murton for Soriano would be tantamount to trading our best outfielder with no replacement in the wings for a marginal upgrade (if that) at 2B.

 

Regardless of whether you think Soriano has value or not (which I don't), it's a dumb move, period.

 

Oh no please tell me you don't think Murton is our best OF. Thats just ridiculous.

 

Murton just might end up being our most productive outfielder this year. It's not a sure thing, but I'd say its more likely to be than not. Pierre might give him a run. Who do you think projects to be so much better that the notion that Murton is our best OFer is ridiculous?

 

Either way, the point stands.

[rjchapma]

Pierre is 10 times better than jones and Murton going into the season. Im sorry 50 games and hitting .300 doesn't make him better than a former All-star CF even though Pierre had a bad season. Im sorry unless I see Murton play the whole season and put up those same numbers he's the third best in my eyes going into the season.

[rjchapma]

With what I just said no offense I just can't take scouts and other sports writers opinions until he plays a full season.

[Andy]

Pierre is 10 times better than jones and Murton going into the season. Im sorry 50 games and hitting .300 doesn't make him better than a former All-star CF even though Pierre had a bad season. Im sorry unless I see Murton play the whole season and put up those same numbers he's the third best in my eyes going into the season.

I'll concede that Pierre could and probably will be more important and more effective than Murton will this year, but I think that Matt will easily outproduce French Chocolate this year.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Pierre is 10 times better than jones and Murton going into the season. Im sorry 50 games and hitting .300 doesn't make him better than a former All-star CF even though Pierre had a bad season. Im sorry unless I see Murton play the whole season and put up those same numbers he's the third best in my eyes going into the season.

 

No, Hairston's our third best.

 

1) Murton

2) Pierre

3) Hairston

4) Jones

5) Mabry

6) Grissom/Restovich

[rjchapma]

You guys are ridiculous if you think Murton is better. He hasnt even played half a season in the majors yet and you guys have him as our best OF. Come on I know hes talented, but wait and see Patterson didn't turn out!

[Ding Dong Johnson]

You guys are ridiculous if you think Murton is better. He hasnt even played half a season in the majors yet and you guys have him as our best OF. Come on I know hes talented, but wait and see Patterson didn't turn out!

 

309/380/451/831 - Minor league career

321/386/521/907 - First shot at big league pitching

 

He'll be OK.

[David]

You guys are ridiculous if you think Murton is better. He hasnt even played half a season in the majors yet and you guys have him as our best OF. Come on I know hes talented, but wait and see Patterson didn't turn out!

 

It's not that Murton is THAT good. It's that Pierre ISN'T all that great.

 

Matt Murton is the best OF the Cubs have...and that's saying something about our talent level in the OF. It ain't much.

[Mark Priors Calves]

Will Corey Patterson be brought into every discussion of Cub prospects for the next 15 years?

[UBlink]

Will Corey Patterson be brought into every discussion of Cub prospects for the next 15 years?

 

Nah, knowing the Cubs there will be another prospect bust to take his place long before 15 years are up. On the other hand, if he is still remembered as the great bust 15 years from now that would be good news.

[Jehrico]

You guys are ridiculous if you think Murton is better. He hasnt even played half a season in the majors yet and you guys have him as our best OF. Come on I know hes talented, but wait and see Patterson didn't turn out!

 

How does Patterson have any bearing on how Murton will perform in the future? None, absolutely none at all.

 

No offense, but you're sounding like Dusty Baker, not giving him a chance until you've seen him play a full season. He's displayed good judgement of the strike zone, which won't leave him, he's displayed the ability to adjust in the box to different pitching strategies, and to pull the ball or take it the other way. Those are traits of a disciplined hitter, which is what seperates Murton from other would be prospects like Patterson.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

You guys are ridiculous if you think Murton is better. He hasnt even played half a season in the majors yet and you guys have him as our best OF. Come on I know hes talented, but wait and see Patterson didn't turn out!

 

I think the fact that he'll likely be our best OF is more of a function of our outfield being an offensive abomination than Murton being a stud.

[goonys evil twin]

You guys are ridiculous if you think Murton is better. He hasnt even played half a season in the majors yet and you guys have him as our best OF. Come on I know hes talented, but wait and see Patterson didn't turn out!

 

Personally I think it's rather ridiculous to go around insulting other fans for stating their opinion on the OF situation.

 

The fact remains the Cubs OF is pretty poor. It wouldn't take much to be the best of the bunch. Murton could have a disappointing season and still accomplish the feat.

[CuseCubFan69]

You guys are ridiculous if you think Murton is better. He hasnt even played half a season in the majors yet and you guys have him as our best OF. Come on I know hes talented, but wait and see Patterson didn't turn out!

 

Personally I think it's rather ridiculous to go around insulting other fans for stating their opinion on the OF situation.

 

The fact remains the Cubs OF is pretty poor. It wouldn't take much to be the best of the bunch. Murton could have a disappointing season and still accomplish the feat.

 

I wonder if Baker would stay with Murton if he has a 260/360 type of line and shows very little power.

[rjchapma]

I apologize Im just getting frustrated about this. My point is you cant say someone who has only played less than half a season in the pros is better than someone who is one of the best lead off hitter in baseball. I know Pierre had a bad year last year, but that doesnt mean a prospect is better than him. On the other hand I think Murton will pan out and be much better than Patterson I just dont think you can say something like that when he hasn't played enough to prove that.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Since I'm a betting man, I bet Vidro's gone soon. They gave up too much to get Soriano. The Cubs need to stay far away from Vidro. They've had way too many guys like him recently. He'll be on the DL by May.

 

If they can get him on the cheap, and get something of value for Walker, I'd be much more satisfied with the 2B depth chart of Vidro, Hairston, Perez, instead of Hairston, Perez.

 

Bowden seems to like moving players out of position and Walker has indicated he'd play leftfield.

 

If we could trade Walker + Welly + lower level prospect for Vidro, I'd do that deal.

 

While I think Walker would have some adventures in left, that would be Washington's problems, not ours.

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

Has anyone heard anything about this rumor other than the original radio snippet?

[goonys evil twin]

I apologize Im just getting frustrated about this. My point is you cant say someone who has only played less than half a season in the pros is better than someone who is one of the best lead off hitter in baseball. I know Pierre had a bad year last year, but that doesnt mean a prospect is better than him. On the other hand I think Murton will pan out and be much better than Patterson I just dont think you can say something like that when he hasn't played enough to prove that.

 

Your point is taken, and I think you're dead wrong. I don't see anything wrong with saying Murton could be the Cubs best OF this season. We don't know how good he'll be, maybe he'll be the worst, but he could be the best. We don't know how good Pierre will be, but his track record gives us a pretty good idea. If he repeats 2005, it won't take much for Murton to be better. Production is production, no matter where it comes from. It doesn't matter if Pierre is one of the best leadoff men, if Murton outproduces him from the 2 spot, 7th spot or 8th spot, he'll be the better OF. Right now we don't know who is the best OF on the Cubs. I'd wait until after the season is well under way to claim it's impossible to rank one ahead of the other. They could all be similarly mediocre, or worse. Hopefully they all outproduce expectations.

[Jehrico]

You guys are ridiculous if you think Murton is better. He hasnt even played half a season in the majors yet and you guys have him as our best OF. Come on I know hes talented, but wait and see Patterson didn't turn out!

 

Personally I think it's rather ridiculous to go around insulting other fans for stating their opinion on the OF situation.

 

The fact remains the Cubs OF is pretty poor. It wouldn't take much to be the best of the bunch. Murton could have a disappointing season and still accomplish the feat.

 

I wonder if Baker would stay with Murton if he has a 260/360 type of line and shows very little power.

 

He would stick with Jones if Jones had that line (actually, I'd be very happy if Jones put up that line). I don't know if it'd be enough for Murton, though...

[Dr. Cub]

Since I'm a betting man, I bet Vidro's gone soon. They gave up too much to get Soriano. The Cubs need to stay far away from Vidro. They've had way too many guys like him recently. He'll be on the DL by May.

 

If they can get him on the cheap, and get something of value for Walker, I'd be much more satisfied with the 2B depth chart of Vidro, Hairston, Perez, instead of Hairston, Perez.

 

I envision that to be a rather big if.

 

Wrong. This is a big IF. :wink:

 

How about this IF?

 

I stand corrected; THAT is a big IF.

[CubDad4Ever]

Goony i agree with you in one sense production is production. But you do have to take in to consideration two things. Defensive spectrum . it is more difficult to find super ops players at the most critical positions in the spectrum ss-cf-c. and leadoff speed is a factor . You have to get on base to use it . But in both small samples sizes like a series you need to win against a pitcher who does not give up much, or a season it has its worth. I know whats driving your cart Goony , the totallity of our of is not ops strong. I cant argue with you on that . I hope its enough . Thanks Coach L