BP on the poor value of Jacque Jones

[JGalt73]

What they needed was a high-OBP guy who could bat in the top two lineup slots and allow Derrek Lee and Aramis Ramirez to bat with runners on base. Jones isn’t that player; he’s a #7 hitter, someone who doesn’t take pitches, hits into double plays and lacks substantial power. He was the wrong player for the Cubs, and that’s the heart of my ongoing criticism of the signing. Jones is an inadequate corner outfielder for any team, but a particularly bad choice for the Cubs.

 

In in familiar summary, Jones has an inadequate bat that only looks good with Hendry's "career view" sunglasses; and his defensive value is worth less to the Cubs in Wrigley (and with a high K pitching staff). Maybe we should buy the Cubs management a BP subscription for next year.

[JC]

Sheehan is obviously just swayed by unreasonable NSBB groupthink.

[wade]

I hadn't seen that article yet, but I did read one talking about the remaining free agents and when they got to Frank Thomas they pointed out his weaknesses before saying-

 

"To me, that makes him a more attractive buy than someone like, say, Jacque Jones, who might play in 150 games and drag you down towards 77 wins."

 

Yikes.

 

EDIT-

 

I just noticed that is the very quote the article is defending.

[frostwyrm]

Even with a platoon to keep Jones away from lefties he is barely able to achieve mediocrity, and when he plays every day he is just plain bad.

[TrueBlueCubFan]

Even with a platoon to keep Jones away from lefties he is barely able to achieve mediocrity, and when he plays every day he is just plain bad.

& you will still think this if he reverts back to his 02'/03' numbers?

[CubinNY]

Even with a platoon to keep Jones away from lefties he is barely able to achieve mediocrity, and when he plays every day he is just plain bad.

 

And he will be in Cubbie blue for three, count em', three more years. Whoopie! :sunny: :jive:

[treebird]

Even with a platoon to keep Jones away from lefties he is barely able to achieve mediocrity, and when he plays every day he is just plain bad.

& you will still think this if he reverts back to his 02'/03' numbers?

 

that's not going to happen, those were his prime years.

[TrueBlueCubFan]

Even with a platoon to keep Jones away from lefties he is barely able to achieve mediocrity, and when he plays every day he is just plain bad.

& you will still think this if he reverts back to his 02'/03' numbers?

 

that's not going to happen, those were his prime years.

 

yes it could happen

[treebird]

Even with a platoon to keep Jones away from lefties he is barely able to achieve mediocrity, and when he plays every day he is just plain bad.

& you will still think this if he reverts back to his 02'/03' numbers?

 

that's not going to happen, those were his prime years.

 

yes it could happen

 

then i guess every signing is a good one since theres a chance they could be good

 

or i suppose we could analyze player acquisitions based on whether or not it's at all likely that they're going to be good

[sethuel1]

Even with a platoon to keep Jones away from lefties he is barely able to achieve mediocrity, and when he plays every day he is just plain bad.

& you will still think this if he reverts back to his 02'/03' numbers?

 

that's not going to happen, those were his prime years.

 

yes it could happen

 

then i guess every signing is a good one since theres a chance they could be good

 

or i suppose we could analyze player acquisitions based on whether or not it's at all likely that they're going to be good

 

Man, we should re-sign Sosa. If he reverts to his 02 or 03 form we're looking at a .950 OPS or so

[treebird]

Even with a platoon to keep Jones away from lefties he is barely able to achieve mediocrity, and when he plays every day he is just plain bad.

& you will still think this if he reverts back to his 02'/03' numbers?

 

that's not going to happen, those were his prime years.

 

yes it could happen

 

then i guess every signing is a good one since theres a chance they could be good

 

or i suppose we could analyze player acquisitions based on whether or not it's at all likely that they're going to be good

 

Man, we should re-sign Sosa. If he reverts to his 02 or 03 form we're looking at a .950 OPS or so

 

no, sosa's an ex-cub, we should hate him or else we're sox fans

[frostwyrm]

Even with a platoon to keep Jones away from lefties he is barely able to achieve mediocrity, and when he plays every day he is just plain bad.

& you will still think this if he reverts back to his 02'/03' numbers?

 

that's not going to happen, those were his prime years.

 

yes it could happen

 

then i guess every signing is a good one since theres a chance they could be good

 

or i suppose we could analyze player acquisitions based on whether or not it's at all likely that they're going to be good

 

 

Man, we should re-sign Sosa. If he reverts to his 02 or 03 form we're looking at a .950 OPS or so

 

Let's get Bret Boone too.

[TXCubsFan]

BP has a strong anti-Cub bias - they would criticize almost any move the Cubs make. IF JJ is platooned, he can be a very useful player, and the Cubs needed another LH bat in the lineup after Corey cratered. I also think that Murton or Cedeno will eventually be the #2 hitter on the Cubs.

 

Doesn't anyone here think that JJ will be traded during the middle of his contract?

[Illini Iceman]

Even with a platoon to keep Jones away from lefties he is barely able to achieve mediocrity, and when he plays every day he is just plain bad.

& you will still think this if he reverts back to his 02'/03' numbers?

 

that's not going to happen, those were his prime years.

 

yes it could happen

 

then i guess every signing is a good one since theres a chance they could be good

 

or i suppose we could analyze player acquisitions based on whether or not it's at all likely that they're going to be good

 

Or perhaps other people don't need to have your permission to have their own opinions.

[treebird]

BP has a strong anti-Cub bias - they would criticize almost any move the Cubs make. IF JJ is platooned, he can be a very useful player, and the Cubs needed another LH bat in the lineup after Corey cratered. I also think that Murton or Cedeno will eventually be the #2 hitter on the Cubs.

 

Doesn't anyone here think that JJ will be traded during the middle of his contract?

 

they have a bias against teams that do dumb stuff. some of their writers are even cub fans.

[Illini Iceman]

BP has a strong anti-Cub bias - they would criticize almost any move the Cubs make. IF JJ is platooned, he can be a very useful player, and the Cubs needed another LH bat in the lineup after Corey cratered. I also think that Murton or Cedeno will eventually be the #2 hitter on the Cubs.

 

Doesn't anyone here think that JJ will be traded during the middle of his contract?

 

they have a bias against teams that do dumb stuff. some of their writers are even cub fans.

 

Like sign Esteban Loaiza?

[treebird]

BP has a strong anti-Cub bias - they would criticize almost any move the Cubs make. IF JJ is platooned, he can be a very useful player, and the Cubs needed another LH bat in the lineup after Corey cratered. I also think that Murton or Cedeno will eventually be the #2 hitter on the Cubs.

 

Doesn't anyone here think that JJ will be traded during the middle of his contract?

 

they have a bias against teams that do dumb stuff. some of their writers are even cub fans.

 

Like sign Esteban Loaiza?

 

i dont know if you read bp, but most of the writers there did indeed criticize the a's for the move.

[Illini Iceman]

BP has a strong anti-Cub bias - they would criticize almost any move the Cubs make. IF JJ is platooned, he can be a very useful player, and the Cubs needed another LH bat in the lineup after Corey cratered. I also think that Murton or Cedeno will eventually be the #2 hitter on the Cubs.

 

Doesn't anyone here think that JJ will be traded during the middle of his contract?

 

they have a bias against teams that do dumb stuff. some of their writers are even cub fans.

 

Like sign Esteban Loaiza?

 

i dont know if you read bp, but most of the writers there did indeed criticize the a's for the move.

 

IMO the reaction would have been much more critical if Hendry had made the same deal.

[treebird]

BP has a strong anti-Cub bias - they would criticize almost any move the Cubs make. IF JJ is platooned, he can be a very useful player, and the Cubs needed another LH bat in the lineup after Corey cratered. I also think that Murton or Cedeno will eventually be the #2 hitter on the Cubs.

 

Doesn't anyone here think that JJ will be traded during the middle of his contract?

 

they have a bias against teams that do dumb stuff. some of their writers are even cub fans.

 

Like sign Esteban Loaiza?

 

i dont know if you read bp, but most of the writers there did indeed criticize the a's for the move.

 

IMO the reaction would have been much more critical if Hendry had made the same deal.

 

that's because hendry would've given him 12

[RynoRules]

BP has a strong anti-Cub bias - they would criticize almost any move the Cubs make. IF JJ is platooned, he can be a very useful player, and the Cubs needed another LH bat in the lineup after Corey cratered. I also think that Murton or Cedeno will eventually be the #2 hitter on the Cubs.

 

Doesn't anyone here think that JJ will be traded during the middle of his contract?

 

they have a bias against teams that do dumb stuff. some of their writers are even cub fans.

 

Like sign Esteban Loaiza?

 

i dont know if you read bp, but most of the writers there did indeed criticize the a's for the move.

 

IMO the reaction would have been much more critical if Hendry had made the same deal.

 

that's because hendry would've given him 12

 

:roll:

[imb]

BP has a strong anti-Cub bias - they would criticize almost any move the Cubs make. IF JJ is platooned, he can be a very useful player, and the Cubs needed another LH bat in the lineup after Corey cratered. I also think that Murton or Cedeno will eventually be the #2 hitter on the Cubs.

 

Doesn't anyone here think that JJ will be traded during the middle of his contract?

 

they have a bias against teams that do dumb stuff. some of their writers are even cub fans.

 

Like sign Esteban Loaiza?

 

i dont know if you read bp, but most of the writers there did indeed criticize the a's for the move.

 

IMO the reaction would have been much more critical if Hendry had made the same deal.

 

Do you even read BP?

[neely crenshaw]

isn't jj just a little older cory with a tad fewer k's and fewer sb's?

i would bet it would be easier for a young kid to revert back to his form than an older model.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

isn't jj just a little older cory with a tad fewer k's and fewer sb's?

i would bet it would be easier for a young kid to revert back to his form than an older model.

 

Corey turns 27 in August. Jacque will turn 31 in April.

[don_kessinger_was_good]

Again--if JJ bats only against RHP, he's perfectly adequate, though uninspiring. Still, there's nothing objectionable about a 340-350 OBP and 825-850 OPS, I'll take that.

 

The problem is that the manager and general manager are too pigheaded to recognize the need to platoon this guy, but like with the misuse of Remlinger and Neifi, that is all on management, you can't blame the player for that.

 

And to someone above, yes, I agree that JJ will never be in Chicago the entire three years, Hendry simply felt he needed to give him three years to get a deal done. The deal was structured with a signing bonus, so in years two and three Jones only gets $9MM combined. If you eat a couple million of that, you should easily be able to move him this coming winter if you want to.

[treebird]

Again--if JJ bats only against RHP, he's perfectly adequate, though uninspiring. Still, there's nothing objectionable about a 340-350 OBP and 825-850 OPS, I'll take that.

 

the thing is, though, i dont think that corner outfielders who will hopefully put up an 825 ops as long as you hide them from lefties at all costs are really all that rare.