Jan. 2 - 4 College Football Bowl Games Discussion

[TruffleShuffle]

Anyway, I think they trade the pick, so how about this. If the Texans draft Bush, I'll use the avatar of your choice for a month, and if they trade the pick, you do likewise?

 

OK, you're on. What if they use the pick on someone other than Bush though? Then we're both wrong. I am not going to consider this scenario as being possible unless Young turns pro, however.

[CuseCubFan69]

I remember when Zipdog told me that Texas just signed a kid that he thought was going to be as good as McNabb and it was Vince Young. He called it. I have to wonder how McNabb would have done if he played for a team like Texas. Of course, he wouldn't have had Harrison and Kevin Johnson to throw to but he would have had a wonderful offensive line at Texas which I think was really underrated.

[shnsajax]

I remember when Zipdog told me that Texas just signed a kid that he thought was going to be as good as McNabb and it was Vince Young. He called it. I have to wonder how McNabb would have done if he played for a team like Texas. Of course, he wouldn't have had Harrison and Kevin Johnson to throw to but he would have had a wonderful offensive line at Texas which I think was really underrated.

 

I'm not sure they were underrated. They were the top ranked o-line in the coutnry before the season, had several all-american's on the the line, and all 5 of them are expected to be drafted into the nfl.

[CuseCubFan69]

I remember when Zipdog told me that Texas just signed a kid that he thought was going to be as good as McNabb and it was Vince Young. He called it. I have to wonder how McNabb would have done if he played for a team like Texas. Of course, he wouldn't have had Harrison and Kevin Johnson to throw to but he would have had a wonderful offensive line at Texas which I think was really underrated.

 

I'm not sure they were underrated. They were the top ranked o-line in the coutnry before the season, had several all-american's on the the line, and all 5 of them are expected to be drafted into the nfl.

 

What I mean is that they don't get the press/credit the others (Young, Lienhart, Bush and even White) are getting.

[gflore34]

Granted Young had a great game but, one has to consider the fantastic O-Line he had, simply tremendous, for that matter so was USC'. Should Young declare for NFL and the Texans draft him that very well may be a recipe for disaster. I don't have the numbers in front of me but, wasn't Carr the most sacked QB in the League the last two seasons? Putting Young behind such line? RIP Mr. Young. NFL teams are going to dare him to pass the ball and play the scramble, he'll get destroyed. Edited January 6, 2006 by gflore34

[CuseCubFan69]

Granted Young had a great game but, one has to consider the fantastic O-Line he had, simply tremendous, for that matter so was USC'. Should Young declare for NFL and the Texans draft him that very well may be a recipe for disaster. I don't have the numbers in front of me but, wasn't Carr the most stacked QB in the League the last two seasons? Putting Young behind such line? RIP Mr. Young. NFL teams are going to dare him to pass the ball and play the scramble, he'll get destroyed.

 

Maybe that's why he's sacked so often!

 

I think that the Texans need a mobile QB with that line. Either that or get some better linemen.

[goonys evil twin]

I think that the Texans need a mobile QB with that line. Either that or get some better linemen.

 

I think they should trade down and try to get as many 2nd and 3rd round picks as possible, so they can stock up on lineman and build the team. They aren't a player away from success.

[gflore34]

Granted Young had a great game but, one has to consider the fantastic O-Line he had, simply tremendous, for that matter so was USC'. Should Young declare for NFL and the Texans draft him that very well may be a recipe for disaster. I don't have the numbers in front of me but, wasn't Carr the most stacked QB in the League the last two seasons? Putting Young behind such line? RIP Mr. Young. NFL teams are going to dare him to pass the ball and play the scramble, he'll get destroyed.

 

Maybe that's why he's sacked so often!

 

I think that the Texans need a mobile QB with that line. Either that or get some better linemen.

 

Good point...

[Chris]

I don't have the numbers in front of me but, wasn't Carr the most stacked QB in the League the last two seasons?

 

Maybe that's why he's sacked so often!

 

Gold star.

[CuseCubFan69]

I think that the Texans need a mobile QB with that line. Either that or get some better linemen.

 

I think they should trade down and try to get as many 2nd and 3rd round picks as possible, so they can stock up on lineman and build the team. They aren't a player away from success.

 

I think they could get a 1st and 2nd round for their first pick, possibly 2 first and a second.

[EricG]

What did the Chargers get when they traded thier first picks (in 2001 and 2004)?

[Ding Dong Johnson]

What did the Chargers get when they traded thier first picks (in 2001 and 2004)?

 

2001 - 5th pick (Tomlinson), a 2nd round pick (Reche Caldwell), and Tim Dwight (worked out pretty darn well, I think)

 

2004 - 4th pick (Rivers), a 3rd round pick (Nate Kaeding), Giants' 1st and 5th rounders in 2005 (TBD, I think)

 

Interesting note: both trades involved former Hawkeyes.

[gflore34]

What did the Chargers get when they traded thier first picks (in 2001 and 2004)?

 

Didn't they use their first pick in 2004 to draft Eli Manning only to trade him to the Giants for David Rivers?

[gflore34]

What did the Chargers get when they traded thier first picks (in 2001 and 2004)?

 

Didn't they use their first pick in 2004 to draft Eli Manning only to trade him to the Giants for David Rivers?

 

Question answered, guess I was slow on the draw.

[cubweiser03]

What did the Chargers get when they traded thier first picks (in 2001 and 2004)?

 

2001 - 5th pick (Tomlinson), a 2nd round pick (Reche Caldwell), and Tim Dwight (worked out pretty darn well, I think)

 

2004 - 4th pick (Rivers), a 3rd round pick (Nate Kaeding), Giants' 1st and 5th rounders in 2005 (TBD, I think)

 

Interesting note: both trades involved former Hawkeyes.

 

Giants first round pick last year was #12. They selected Shawn Merriman. Not bad.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

Giants first round pick last year was #12. They selected Shawn Merriman. Not bad.

 

Thanks, I was too lazy to look that up. I actually knew the others (Hawkeye/Falcons thing, I guess).

[Andy]

[biased comment] I still think ND/USC was a better game. [/biased comment]

[burnt out cubbie fan]

2004 - 4th pick (Rivers), a 3rd round pick (Nate Kaeding), Giants' 1st and 5th rounders in 2005 (TBD, I think)

I think that if they traded the pick they could get a deal similar to that, probably even better since Bush, Lienart, and Young have been hyped a lot more than Eli was.

[stitchface]

[biased comment] I still think ND/USC was a better game. [/biased comment]

 

any time ND loses, its a good game. :)

[Ding Dong Johnson]

2004 - 4th pick (Rivers), a 3rd round pick (Nate Kaeding), Giants' 1st and 5th rounders in 2005 (TBD, I think)

I think that if they traded the pick they could get a deal similar to that, probably even better since Bush, Lienart, and Young have been hyped a lot more than Eli was.

 

I think they could probably do much better. Any team that is extremely desperate for a RB is salivating over getting someone like Bush, and anyone desperate for a QB will have to pick before the Saints. Unlike Corso and Herbie, I don't think there will be more than 1 QB in the first 5 or so. I think you'll see 5 of these go first:

Bush, Leinart, Hawk, Ferguson (Virginia), Mario Williams, DeAngelo Williams, Ngata. Call me a homer, but I think Chad Greenway could sneak into the top 5 with a good combine.

[burnt out cubbie fan]

Sorry to burst your bubble, but there is no way he is going in the top 5.

[imb]

Sorry to burst your bubble, but there is no way he is going in the top 5.

 

Greenway is currently the 3rd rated OLB in the draft, so for him to sneak into the top 5, he's going to have to jump Hawk and Ryans, which will be pretty tough.

[TruffleShuffle]

Call me a homer, but I think the Texans might draft Michael Robinson first overall and put him at QB.

[Derwood]

Call me a homer, but I think the Texans might draft Michael Robinson first overall and put him at QB.

 

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[TrueBlueCubFan]

FYI for you die hard college football fans:

 

ESPN Classic is replaying all the BCS games today. Texas/USC is on @ 6pm CST. Channel 208 for those who have direct TV.