Marquis Grissom signs with the Cubs

[CheeseHead Cubs Fan]

So is this dude signed yet? Or just speculation from his agent.

 

Also, if he is signed, does he in theory take the spot of Macias? Or is that essentially what Mabry did?

[BigbadB]

If the Cubs were so intent on playing vets over Murton, they wouldn't have traded Lawton. If Murton's not in the lineup, it's because the Cubs trade for someone like Luis Gonzalez, Huff or Floyd.

 

Been lots of paranoia recently....

 

Can't this same argument be made for why they traded for Lawton in the first place?

 

Can't this same argument be applied to the fact that when Nomar and Walker were hurt, Cedeno got sent back to the minors so the Cubs could play Enrique Wilson everyday in his place?

[YearofDaCubs]

I find it amusing how so many of you are so optimistic about this upcoming season when in reality Hendry hasn't done much to improve this team. This offseason has been a huge dissapointment and just like last year when most of you were so optimistic about 2005 you will be sorely dissapointed when the season goes down the drain again under Baker's and Hendry's tenure.

[CubfaninCA]

If the Cubs were so intent on playing vets over Murton, they wouldn't have traded Lawton. If Murton's not in the lineup, it's because the Cubs trade for someone like Luis Gonzalez, Huff or Floyd.

 

Been lots of paranoia recently....

 

Can't this same argument be made for why they traded for Lawton in the first place?

 

Can't this same argument be applied to the fact that when Nomar and Walker were hurt, Cedeno got sent back to the minors so the Cubs could play Enrique Wilson everyday in his place?

 

Lawton was brought in to address the obp problem. Of course, obp has never been addressed according to some theories. (Getting Pierre to play over Patterson & pursuing Furcal don't count either.) Lawton was @ .370 or so at the time of the trade, so you can't blame the clubs.

 

And Murton > Cedeno

[AcesHigh]

Jacque Le Jones was not given a three year deal to sit on the bench. Murton's playing time would be in far more jeopardy if Grissom was signed rather than JJ.

 

Uhg. I hate that I just wrote that sentence and it pertains to the Cubs' 2006 outfield. What in the hell is going on with this club?!

 

Um I think Juan Le Pierre is more in jeopardy than Murton.

 

Jeopardy of what? Losing his job? He's been the centerpiece of their offsesaon. He's their ideal candidate for the much coveted speedy leadoff man.

 

 

Dusty is on record stating that he will play the guy with the bigger contract because that is why the guy got the contract. Couple that with his history of favoring older players, and all the positive things he has to say about older players, and that Murton was one of the few guys who Dusty openly criticized by name in the press, and it's pretty safe to assume that Murton will be the odd man out of the current OF.

 

Playing time.

I can't see that happening. If Dusty sits anyone from the OF out, its gonna be Murton, not Pierre.

[CubfaninCA]

I find it amusing how so many of you are so optimistic about this upcoming season when in reality Hendry hasn't done much to improve this team. This offseason has been a huge dissapointment and just like last year when most of you were so optimistic about 2005 you will be sorely dissapointed when the season goes down the drain again under Baker's and Hendry's tenure.

 

I wasn't optimistic about Nomar, Patterson & Wood being the keys to the season, and give me til February to make judgement on the offseason. I'm just not one to jump to negative conclusions.

 

Pierre, Howry & Eyre are nice pickups, but the ballclub needs more. Obviously.

[JC]

Jacque Le Jones was not given a three year deal to sit on the bench. Murton's playing time would be in far more jeopardy if Grissom was signed rather than JJ.

 

Uhg. I hate that I just wrote that sentence and it pertains to the Cubs' 2006 outfield. What in the hell is going on with this club?!

 

Um I think Juan Le Pierre is more in jeopardy than Murton.

 

Jeopardy of what? Losing his job? He's been the centerpiece of their offsesaon. He's their ideal candidate for the much coveted speedy leadoff man.

 

 

Dusty is on record stating that he will play the guy with the bigger contract because that is why the guy got the contract. Couple that with his history of favoring older players, and all the positive things he has to say about older players, and that Murton was one of the few guys who Dusty openly criticized by name in the press, and it's pretty safe to assume that Murton will be the odd man out of the current OF.

 

Playing time.

 

Gotta love the obsessing over Hendry gutting the team by dealing Prior & the speculation over Grissom in LF. Can't wait to see what's next.

 

Can't you maintain a freaking discussion without using crap like "paranoia" and "obsessing"? What is this compulsion to constantly backhandedly run down other posters and their opinions? Jesus Christ its annoying. You make some interesting arguments, but I never take them seriously because you seem more interested in engaging people like me or Goony and simply being contrary than really staying on the merits of the discussion.

[YearofDaCubs]

I find it amusing how so many of you are so optimistic about this upcoming season when in reality Hendry hasn't done much to improve this team. This offseason has been a huge dissapointment and just like last year when most of you were so optimistic about 2005 you will be sorely dissapointed when the season goes down the drain again under Baker's and Hendry's tenure.

 

I wasn't optimistic about Nomar, Patterson & Wood being the keys to the season, and give me til February to make judgement on the offseason. I'm just not one to jump to negative conclusions.

 

Pierre, Howry & Eyre are nice pickups, but the ballclub needs more. Obviously.

Obviously it does but maybe it's not so obvious to the GM. Considering the past failures I will have a grim outlook on the season until I feel Hendry has done enough to put us over the top and at this point in time I feel that he has not.

[nick23]

I myself would love to believe that Dusty will use Grissom correctly and Platoon him with Jones. But after these last 2 years it's just impossible to give him the benefit of the doubt. I just can't believe we're going in to next season with a RF platoon of Jauque Jones and Marquis Grissom.

[BigbadB]

We're all speculating at this point (me included) but why does it seem to be OK to think the absolute worstcase senario will happen? Conversely, if someone tries to inject an opposing, dare I say, positive view it's shot down immediately (when the truth is none of us know for sure).

 

As a sidenote, it's sometimes difficult for me to post my true thoughts without feeling that someone will jump all over them. Aren't we all entitled to post here without feeling like we aren't in the know if the view isn't in the majority? I'm not so sure.

 

It's okay to think whatever you want. This is a discussion board. No one knows for sure about anything, but half the fun is discussing or debating what would be better. As long as it stays respectful, people shouldn't have to feel like they are being ganged up on. I really don't care if no one agrees with my opinions, but I'm going to give them anyway.

 

It only feels like you are getting ganged up on if your opinion differs from the majority. I've also seen opinions change (including my own) when enough information is provided that makes sense, was well presented and/or educated me more on a topic I didn't really know that much about.

 

CubfaninCa battles with many people here everyday. I think I go to battle with him myself, everyday. I don't have any ill feelings towards him or his opinion, I just don't agree with him very often. Doesn't mean my opinion is right and his is wrong, they just differ. If someone is disrespectful of you and your opinion, PM a mod and we will address it right away.

 

If we didn't have differing opinions on anything, this place would be very boring.

[YearofDaCubs]

I myself would love to believe that Dusty will use Grissom correctly and Platoon him with Jones. But after these last 2 years it's just impossible to give him the benefit of the doubt. I just can't believe we're going in to next season with a RF platoon of Jauque Jones and Marquis Grissom.

I have learned with Hendry and Baker anything is believable.

[goonys evil twin]

We're all speculating at this point (me included) but why does it seem to be OK to think the absolute worstcase senario will happen? Conversely, if someone tries to inject an opposing, dare I say, positive view it's shot down immediately (when the truth is none of us know for sure).

 

As a sidenote, it's sometimes difficult for me to post my true thoughts without feeling that someone will jump all over them. Aren't we all entitled to post here without feeling like we aren't in the know if the view isn't in the majority? I'm not so sure.

 

The Cubs have done nothing to make me believe they are capable of achieving anything better than the worst case scenario. Besides, I'm not even sure I've ventured into WCS mode. I'm not yet saying Murton will be in AAA and MG will play 162 games. I'm saying he'll play entirely too much if he is on the team, and that Murton will be unfairly benched far too often as a result of circumstances he can't control (his lack of experience and Dusty's illogical dependence of experience over all else). Everything he and the Cubs have done to date points to this happening. When somebody says there's no way it'll happen that way, I just point out the way it's always been with this gang of roster abusers. Sorry if it seems harsh, but they piss me off.

[XZero771679666304]

Jacque Le Jones was not given a three year deal to sit on the bench. Murton's playing time would be in far more jeopardy if Grissom was signed rather than JJ.

 

Uhg. I hate that I just wrote that sentence and it pertains to the Cubs' 2006 outfield. What in the hell is going on with this club?!

 

Um I think Juan Le Pierre is more in jeopardy than Murton.

 

Jeopardy of what? Losing his job? He's been the centerpiece of their offsesaon. He's their ideal candidate for the much coveted speedy leadoff man.

 

 

Dusty is on record stating that he will play the guy with the bigger contract because that is why the guy got the contract. Couple that with his history of favoring older players, and all the positive things he has to say about older players, and that Murton was one of the few guys who Dusty openly criticized by name in the press, and it's pretty safe to assume that Murton will be the odd man out of the current OF.

 

Playing time.

 

Gotta love the obsessing over Hendry gutting the team by dealing Prior & the speculation over Grissom in LF. Can't wait to see what's next.

 

Losing playing time? Yeah, right. The only sure thing going into 2006 is that unless he gets injured, Juan Pierre will start every game. Grissom can barely play CF anymore anyway.

[Burtonbell]

Grissom can barely play anymore anyway.

 

Fixed that for ya!

[CubfaninCA]

Jacque Le Jones was not given a three year deal to sit on the bench. Murton's playing time would be in far more jeopardy if Grissom was signed rather than JJ.

 

Uhg. I hate that I just wrote that sentence and it pertains to the Cubs' 2006 outfield. What in the hell is going on with this club?!

 

Um I think Juan Le Pierre is more in jeopardy than Murton.

 

Jeopardy of what? Losing his job? He's been the centerpiece of their offsesaon. He's their ideal candidate for the much coveted speedy leadoff man.

 

 

Dusty is on record stating that he will play the guy with the bigger contract because that is why the guy got the contract. Couple that with his history of favoring older players, and all the positive things he has to say about older players, and that Murton was one of the few guys who Dusty openly criticized by name in the press, and it's pretty safe to assume that Murton will be the odd man out of the current OF.

 

Playing time.

 

Gotta love the obsessing over Hendry gutting the team by dealing Prior & the speculation over Grissom in LF. Can't wait to see what's next.

 

Can't you maintain a freaking discussion without using crap like "paranoia" and "obsessing"? What is this compulsion to constantly backhandedly run down other posters and their opinions? Jesus Christ its annoying. You make some interesting arguments, but I never take them seriously because you seem more interested in engaging people like me or Goony and simply being contrary than really staying on the merits of the discussion.

 

LOL @ me being contrary.

 

The argument that Grissom will play over Murton is contrary to common sense and basically hyperbole.

[goonys evil twin]

I myself would love to believe that Dusty will use Grissom correctly and Platoon him with Jones. But after these last 2 years it's just impossible to give him the benefit of the doubt. I just can't believe we're going in to next season with a RF platoon of Jauque Jones and Marquis Grissom.

 

Ignoring for a second what I really think about the management group:

 

If Grissom is given 100 at bats vs lefties only, and Jones faces only a very small number of lefties, then there is a chance the Cubs will get decent RF production overall.

 

My problem is this team shouldn't have to hope for best case scenario to get decent production. They should be guaranteed decent with a solid shot at very good or great.

[BigbadB]

Lawton was brought in to address the obp problem. Of course, obp has never been addressed according to some theories. (Getting Pierre to play over Patterson & pursuing Furcal don't count either.) Lawton was @ .370 or so at the time of the trade, so you can't blame the clubs.

 

And Murton > Cedeno

 

You say Lawton was brought in to address the OBP problem, but if he replaced Murton, he really didn't address an OBP problem, he addressed a rookie problem.

[YearofDaCubs]

Jacque Le Jones was not given a three year deal to sit on the bench. Murton's playing time would be in far more jeopardy if Grissom was signed rather than JJ.

 

Uhg. I hate that I just wrote that sentence and it pertains to the Cubs' 2006 outfield. What in the hell is going on with this club?!

 

Um I think Juan Le Pierre is more in jeopardy than Murton.

 

Jeopardy of what? Losing his job? He's been the centerpiece of their offsesaon. He's their ideal candidate for the much coveted speedy leadoff man.

 

 

Dusty is on record stating that he will play the guy with the bigger contract because that is why the guy got the contract. Couple that with his history of favoring older players, and all the positive things he has to say about older players, and that Murton was one of the few guys who Dusty openly criticized by name in the press, and it's pretty safe to assume that Murton will be the odd man out of the current OF.

 

Playing time.

 

Gotta love the obsessing over Hendry gutting the team by dealing Prior & the speculation over Grissom in LF. Can't wait to see what's next.

 

Can't you maintain a freaking discussion without using crap like "paranoia" and "obsessing"? What is this compulsion to constantly backhandedly run down other posters and their opinions? Jesus Christ its annoying. You make some interesting arguments, but I never take them seriously because you seem more interested in engaging people like me or Goony and simply being contrary than really staying on the merits of the discussion.

 

LOL @ me being contrary.

 

The argument that Grissom will play over Murton is contrary to common sense and basically hyperbole.

As much hyperbole as Neifi Perez playing over Cedeno or as much hyperbole as Hollandsworth playing over Dubois or Murton. Yeah right man anything is possible with Baker at the helm.

[CubfaninCA]

I'd love to place bets w/ some of you guys. :)

[YearofDaCubs]

I'd love to place bets w/ some of you guys. :)

Now we're talking..

[Blueheart05]

I find it amusing how so many of you are so optimistic about this upcoming season when in reality Hendry hasn't done much to improve this team. This offseason has been a huge dissapointment and just like last year when most of you were so optimistic about 2005 you will be sorely dissapointed when the season goes down the drain again under Baker's and Hendry's tenure.

 

I find it amusing that some people are so pessimistic about everything (even signings that have yet to occur). I disagree that the team isn't improved over last year. Also, it's speculation to say that people will be "disappointed when the season goes down the drain." The way some people are talking, there's no reason to watch the games because the outcome has already been determined.

 

I tend to be neither overly critical nor overly optimistic but I will say that my inital post in this thread was not well received. It's one thing to disagree (this is a messageboard afterall) it's another thing to imply that a poster doesn't know what she/he is talking about (or more accurately that they haven't been paying attention) when, in fact, I haven't missed one Cubs game in over 5 years.

[goonys evil twin]

The argument that Grissom will play over Murton is contrary to common sense and basically hyperbole.

 

It is neither contrary to common sense or anywhere close to hyperbole. It would be against common sense to player Grissom over Murton at all, but it wouldn't be against common sense to believe Dusty would do it? How many times does he have to make the same stupid decision before people will believe there's a trend in his thinking?

 

If you want to hope for the best and expect Dusty to do the right thing on this, go right ahead, I wish I could join you. But don't go insulting everybody else who has seen enough of this tragedy to draw their own conclusions.

[EricG]

I'd rather have Macias playing OF than Grissom. :-&

[Blueheart05]

We're all speculating at this point (me included) but why does it seem to be OK to think the absolute worstcase senario will happen? Conversely, if someone tries to inject an opposing, dare I say, positive view it's shot down immediately (when the truth is none of us know for sure).

 

As a sidenote, it's sometimes difficult for me to post my true thoughts without feeling that someone will jump all over them. Aren't we all entitled to post here without feeling like we aren't in the know if the view isn't in the majority? I'm not so sure.

 

It's okay to think whatever you want. This is a discussion board. No one knows for sure about anything, but half the fun is discussing or debating what would be better. As long as it stays respectful, people shouldn't have to feel like they are being ganged up on. I really don't care if no one agrees with my opinions, but I'm going to give them anyway.

 

It only feels like you are getting ganged up on if your opinion differs from the majority. I've also seen opinions change (including my own) when enough information is provided that makes sense, was well presented and/or educated me more on a topic I didn't really know that much about.

 

CubfaninCa battles with many people here everyday. I think I go to battle with him myself, everyday. I don't have any ill feelings towards him or his opinion, I just don't agree with him very often. Doesn't mean my opinion is right and his is wrong, they just differ. If someone is disrespectful of you and your opinion, PM a mod and we will address it right away.

 

If we didn't have differing opinions on anything, this place would be very boring.

 

Perhaps I'm not being clear. A difference of opinion is welcomed. Insulting and condescending remarks shouldn't be.

[CubfaninCA]

Lawton was brought in to address the obp problem. Of course, obp has never been addressed according to some theories. (Getting Pierre to play over Patterson & pursuing Furcal don't count either.) Lawton was @ .370 or so at the time of the trade, so you can't blame the clubs.

 

And Murton > Cedeno

 

You say Lawton was brought in to address the OBP problem, but if he replaced Murton, he really didn't address an OBP problem, he addressed a rookie problem.

 

I should have been more specific and said leadoff obp.