Tejada most likely not being dealt...

[goonys evil twin]

Until Baltimore wises up and realizes they suck, and shouldn't be going after current major leaguers, the Cubs should stay out of these talks. As long as they insist on trying to get equal current production (or more) let some other team make a stupid move. Baltimore is a really bad baseball team with a very weak core roster. Mora (who came back to earth and is likely to remain just an above average producer) and Roberts (who is likely to be closer to his post all star and career numbers than pre all star 2005 numbers) are their only good returning position players outside Tejada. The pitching is very weak. This is a 75 win team, maybe 80. Trading Tejada for one or two major leaguers isn't going to help much.

[BigbadB]

Until Baltimore wises up and realizes they suck, and shouldn't be going after current major leaguers, the Cubs should stay out of these talks. As long as they insist on trying to get equal current production (or more) let some other team make a stupid move. Baltimore is a really bad baseball team with a very weak core roster. Mora (who came back to earth and is likely to remain just an above average producer) and Roberts (who is likely to be closer to his post all star and career numbers than pre all star 2005 numbers) are their only good returning position players outside Tejada. The pitching is very weak. This is a 75 win team, maybe 80. Trading Tejada for one or two major leaguers isn't going to help much.

 

Personally, I think Boston is WAY overpaying for Tejada.

 

So, let's leave Baltimore out of the Manny sweepstakes, and we'll take Manny while Tampa takes prospects while sending Huff and Lugo to Boston.

 

Done!

[frostwyrm]

The O's could be decent in 2007 and great in 2008 if they would just accept the necessity for rebuilding in 2006. Instead they'll probably keep sucking for the rest of the decade.

[E.J.]

The "always reliable" Steve Phillips mentioned a Tejada to the Angels trade rumor. Tejada for Cabrera, Erstad, and prospects. Didn't mentioned any names of the prospects.

[BigbadB]

The "always reliable" Steve Phillips mentioned a Tejada to the Angels trade rumor. Tejada for Cabrera, Erstad, and prospects. Didn't mentioned any names of the prospects.

 

Ugh. Cabrera and Erstad combined aren't half of what Manny is offensively, not even including Clement.

[RockTheIvy]

i've always thought of baltimore as a place where players go to never be heard from again, anyway. it just seems like terrible place to play, like a black hole.

 

Yeah it seems a lot like Oakland in the NFL. Oh they signed Warren Sapp...

[HoopsCubs]

The "always reliable" Steve Phillips mentioned a Tejada to the Angels trade rumor. Tejada for Cabrera, Erstad, and prospects. Didn't mentioned any names of the prospects.

 

Ugh. Cabrera and Erstad combined aren't half of what Manny is offensively, not even including Clement.

 

I've read and heard a few rumors that Kenny Williams is ready to pounce on the O's if the Boston deals fall by the wayside - his latest offer is Contreras, Uribe and 2 prospects.

[goonys evil twin]

The "always reliable" Steve Phillips mentioned a Tejada to the Angels trade rumor. Tejada for Cabrera, Erstad, and prospects. Didn't mentioned any names of the prospects.

 

Ugh. Cabrera and Erstad combined aren't half of what Manny is offensively, not even including Clement.

 

I've read and heard a few rumors that Kenny Williams is ready to pounce on the O's if the Boston deals fall by the wayside - his latest offer is Contreras, Uribe and 2 prospects.

 

Baltimore would have to be really stupid to take on an old pitcher and another mediocre veteran like Uribe. They'd have to get 2 very solid prospects in that deal to justify the move. It's moves like these that keep bad teams from getting any better than mediocre.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

I've read and heard a few rumors that Kenny Williams is ready to pounce on the O's if the Boston deals fall by the wayside - his latest offer is Contreras, Uribe and 2 prospects.

 

Ah, let them have him. I guess World Series winners coming from Chicago, even if it is the Sox, is better than the Yankees winning.

[nick23]

The "always reliable" Steve Phillips mentioned a Tejada to the Angels trade rumor. Tejada for Cabrera, Erstad, and prospects. Didn't mentioned any names of the prospects.

 

Ugh. Cabrera and Erstad combined aren't half of what Manny is offensively, not even including Clement.

 

I've read and heard a few rumors that Kenny Williams is ready to pounce on the O's if the Boston deals fall by the wayside - his latest offer is Contreras, Uribe and 2 prospects.

 

I'm not at all familiar with the White Sox organization. Who do they have as far as prospects go? Could we not easily top that offer?

[HoopsCubs]

The "always reliable" Steve Phillips mentioned a Tejada to the Angels trade rumor. Tejada for Cabrera, Erstad, and prospects. Didn't mentioned any names of the prospects.

 

Ugh. Cabrera and Erstad combined aren't half of what Manny is offensively, not even including Clement.

 

I've read and heard a few rumors that Kenny Williams is ready to pounce on the O's if the Boston deals fall by the wayside - his latest offer is Contreras, Uribe and 2 prospects.

 

Baltimore would have to be really stupid to take on an old pitcher and another mediocre veteran like Uribe. They'd have to get 2 very solid prospects in that deal to justify the move. It's moves like these that keep bad teams from getting any better than mediocre.

 

True. But on the flipside, if the Sox managed to get Tejada, and both he and Thome stay healthy, the Sox will be pretty scary. And KW, being an anti-Cubs guy, would be savoring this big time.

[JWCUB]

Until Baltimore wises up and realizes they suck, and shouldn't be going after current major leaguers, the Cubs should stay out of these talks. As long as they insist on trying to get equal current production (or more) let some other team make a stupid move. Baltimore is a really bad baseball team with a very weak core roster. Mora (who came back to earth and is likely to remain just an above average producer) and Roberts (who is likely to be closer to his post all star and career numbers than pre all star 2005 numbers) are their only good returning position players outside Tejada. The pitching is very weak. This is a 75 win team, maybe 80. Trading Tejada for one or two major leaguers isn't going to help much.

 

Personally, I think Boston is WAY overpaying for Tejada.

 

So, let's leave Baltimore out of the Manny sweepstakes, and we'll take Manny while Tampa takes prospects while sending Huff and Lugo to Boston.

 

Done!

 

I second that! What could it hurt?

[goonys evil twin]

True. But on the flipside, if the Sox managed to get Tejada, and both he and Thome stay healthy, the Sox will be pretty scary. And KW, being an anti-Cubs guy, would be savoring this big time.

 

Any GM should savor the opportunity to get Tejada for role players, as opposed to pre-prime studs. I'd have no problem if the Sox end up with Tejada, unless it was for a package the Cubs could have beat with their own prospects and role players.

[BigbadB]

4 team trade ideas? Hendry has done it before with Boston and Washington, why not do it again? Instead of the Twinkies, it involves Tampa. Something along the lines of (give or take here and there)

 

Cubs get Manny Ramirez and Jose Vidro and CASH

 

Boston gets Aubrey Huff, Joey Gathright, Matt Murton and Julio Lugo

 

Washington gets Matt Clement, Will Ohman and Corey Patterson

 

Tampa gets Andy Marte, Rich Hill, Ronny Cedeno and Jerome Williams

 

 

Have some fun with that. Who is getting too much and who isn't getting enough?

 

Orioles can sit and watch.

[rawaction]

4 team trade ideas? Hendry has done it before with Boston and Washington, why not do it again? Instead of the Twinkies, it involves Tampa. Something along the lines of (give or take here and there)

 

Cubs get Manny Ramirez and Jose Vidro and CASH

 

Boston gets Aubrey Huff, Joey Gathright, Matt Murton and Julio Lugo

 

Washington gets Matt Clement, Will Ohman and Corey Patterson

 

Tampa gets Andy Marte, Rich Hill, Ronny Cedeno and Jerome Williams

 

 

Have some fun with that. Who is getting too much and who isn't getting enough?

 

Orioles can sit and watch.

 

I don't know. Washington gets a steal. I think the Cubs get a fair deal, but they are forced to go with Neifi at SS full-time, and lose their pitching depth.

[rork73]

"There is absolutely no deal we find acceptable to trade this very special player to another team,"

 

That's a statement designed to raise value.

 

True indeed. It's actually very simple what happens next:

Boston is tempted to make one last offer, which will be slightly different and which will be accepted by the O's.

 

Perhaps they'll offer Cora too........who knows.

[goonys evil twin]

I'm not high on the get Manny talk.

 

His prime production was enough to gloss over his quirks and complete defensive indifference. I'm not sure his post-prime production will stay the same, or come close to justifying $19-20m per year and the talent they'd have to give up to get him. He's a year young than Giles, who I would have gone as high as 3/45 without giving up talent in return (besides another pick that's gone anyway). Manny is guaranteed 3/57 (plus another $1m if traded, and all sorts of other incentives). He's a butcher in the field, literally takes games off, and has a questionable attitude. I'm willing to look past all that stuff if the price were right, but giving up Murton, Ohman, Hill, Cedeno and Williams, and paying all that money doesn't make the price right in my book.

 

I wouldn't mind playing middle man with Manny. And I really wouldn't have a problem with him on the team, but he's not a guy I see the Cubs having any interest in (they'll think Sammy part 2), while I couldn't blame them for that. And if they did get him, they'd have to come somewhere between paying up next to nothing in terms of talents, or getting back a ton of cash so as to not bust the budget.

[rork73]

True.....and isn't the Boston left field with the green monster far easier for Manny than say the O's left field ? I wonder if anyone ever calculated how many extra runs he's costed.

 

All those rbi's don't have to mean a thing, when you score 3 or 4 at a time, and dont'score any when your teams needs them the most. For that matter I guess Ortiz has outperformed Manny in a big way with effective scoring.

[goonys evil twin]

Cubs get Manny Ramirez and Jose Vidro and CASH

 

Matt Murton Will Ohman and Corey Patterson, Rich Hill, Ronny Cedeno and Jerome Williams

 

I don't know. Washington gets a steal. I think the Cubs get a fair deal, but they are forced to go with Neifi at SS full-time, and lose their pitching depth.

 

I'm not sure that's a fair deal for Chicago. It depends a lot on the money. Unless it's an enormous amount, that'll put them well over any current realistic budget. Vidro is still a huge question, so not only are you forcing Neifi into the everyday spot, you have no assurance that 2B will make up for it. The pitching staff is forced to go with Rusch, even if Wood is healthy, and will probably have to dip further into the well to find innings.

 

Remember, Boston couldn't give Manny away for free before. I see no reason why adding Vidro to the mix would turn it into the Cubs giving up 6 young players.

[HoopsCubs]

Despite what Kenny Williams said in the newspapers the last 2 days, I still think the White Sox will end up with Tejada if he's dealt. They are in the best position to give the O's starting pitching, prospects and an everyday SS.

[CuseCubFan69]

Despite what Kenny Williams said in the newspapers the last 2 days, I still think the White Sox will end up with Tejada if he's dealt. They are in the best position to give the O's starting pitching, prospects and an everyday SS.

 

The Cubs are in good shape right now after signing Jones so Hendry probably doesn't need to make any more major moves. The Sox need all the help they can get after winning that World Series thingy.

[HoopsCubs]

Despite what Kenny Williams said in the newspapers the last 2 days, I still think the White Sox will end up with Tejada if he's dealt. They are in the best position to give the O's starting pitching, prospects and an everyday SS.

 

The Cubs are in good shape right now after signing Jones so Hendry probably doesn't need to make any more major moves. The Sox need all the help they can get after winning that World Series thingy.

 

It just goes to show you: a healthy, deep rotation can give a GM lots of options; a injury-ridden rotation featuring 'Glendon Rusch' types as a #4/#5 starter basically ties a GM's hands.

[CuseCubFan69]

Despite what Kenny Williams said in the newspapers the last 2 days, I still think the White Sox will end up with Tejada if he's dealt. They are in the best position to give the O's starting pitching, prospects and an everyday SS.

 

The Cubs are in good shape right now after signing Jones so Hendry probably doesn't need to make any more major moves. The Sox need all the help they can get after winning that World Series thingy.

 

It just goes to show you: a healthy, deep rotation can give a GM lots of options; a injury-ridden rotation featuring 'Glendon Rusch' types as a #4/#5 starter basically ties a GM's hands.

 

I'm just surprised at Hendry's lack of vision. I would imagine as a coach he would have had that but he seems to be forced into too many bad situations and has to overpay. This is the thing that bothers me the most...among many of late.

 

You know Hoops, I really thought the Cubs would be in the middle of a dynasty at this point but I was wrong about the quality of players they had in the minors and wrong about Hendry being the "Chosen" one.

[NCCubFan]

.....and wrong about Hendry being the "Chosen" one.

Just like the Jedi were wrong about Anakin Skywalker being The Chosen One. :D

[CuseCubFan69]

.....and wrong about Hendry being the "Chosen" one.

Just like the Jedi were wrong about Anakin Skywalker being The Chosen One. :D

 

I guess I'm not alone. I never saw Hendry's dark side until it was too late. Dal warned me but I didn't listen. Wait, Dal is Yoda?