Why not Zito??

[AcesHigh]

I like Zito. Get him.

 

I don't. I get the feeling he's one of the those pitchers who once he get figured out, isn't that hard to hit.

I don't think its fair to say that. He's been fairly consistent the last 5 years, starting 34+ games 5 years in a row with pretty solid numbers, including a Cy Young. Factor in that he has been pitching against some formidable lienups in the AL West his whole career, I think he'd be fine.

 

Actually, I think he would be more dominant than usual when he first comes into the NL because of the unfamiliarity.

[anemic offense]

I like Zito. Get him.

 

I don't. I get the feeling he's one of the those pitchers who once he get figured out, isn't that hard to hit.

I don't think its fair to say that. He's been fairly consistent the last 5 years, starting 34+ games 5 years in a row with pretty solid numbers, including a Cy Young. Factor in that he has been pitching against some formidable lienups in the AL West his whole career, I think he'd be fine.

 

Actually, I think he would be more dominant than usual when he first comes into the NL because of the unfamiliarity.

 

I agree with this, at least initially. But I'm just not sold he will be good enough over the long haul to warrant the years, dollars, and talent (via trade) his name will command.

 

Admittingly, I can't say I've seen him enough to delve into a long diatribe on why the Cubs shouldn't acquire him. Nor will I throw a bunch of stats around as I'm not a huge stathound (though I do belive his K/9 has dropped in each of the last several years). A lot of what I say is based on a hunch, an on some of his games I've seen the last few seasons. While every pithcer has there off days (Z got hammered 3 or so times last year), Zito's bad days are scary bad (kinda like Maddux is now). If his curveball is working, he seems to be very tough to beat. When it's not he has little else to throw at you. Pithcer's like this scare me, especially when they command the $$$ and years of a superstar.

 

Then again what do I know? I could just as easily (and pry would be) wrong.

Edited December 30, 2005 by anemic offense

[KingKongvs.Godzilla]

Beane is good. He fleeced Jockety in the Mulder trade. :lol: Note to Hendry: Proceed with caution.

 

Oh yea...Jim's an expert at that. He's not one for stupid moves or anything...especially lately...

[Magnetic Curses]

I like Zito. Get him.

 

I don't. I get the feeling he's one of the those pitchers who once he get figured out, isn't that hard to hit.

I don't think its fair to say that. He's been fairly consistent the last 5 years, starting 34+ games 5 years in a row with pretty solid numbers, including a Cy Young. Factor in that he has been pitching against some formidable lienups in the AL West his whole career, I think he'd be fine.

 

Actually, I think he would be more dominant than usual when he first comes into the NL because of the unfamiliarity.

 

I agree with this, at least initially. But I'm just not sold he will be good enough over the long haul to warrant the years, dollars, and talent (via trade) his name will command.

 

Admittingly, I can't say I've seen him enough to delve into a long diatribe on why the Cubs shouldn't acquire him. Nor will I throw a bunch of stats around as I'm not a huge stathound (though I do belive his K/9 has dropped in each of the last several years). A lot of what I say is based on a hunch, an on some of his games I've seen the last few seasons. While every pithcer has there off days (Z got hammered 3 or so times last year), Zito's bad days are scary bad (kinda like Maddux is now). If his curveball is working, he seems to be very tough to beat. When it's not he has little else to throw at you. Pithcer's like this scare me, especially when they command the $$$ and years of a superstar.

 

Then again what do I know? I could just as easily (and pry would be) wrong.

 

5 straight years of 210+ innings of above average pitching. he's had an era over 4 once in his career and even then it was above league average.

 

his g/f ratio leaves something to be desired but he gets outs, that's undeniable.

 

he's an excellent pitcher with an excellent track record.

[oldcubsfan]

Beane is good. He fleeced Jockety in the Mulder trade. :lol: Note to Hendry: Proceed with caution.

And Atlanta fleeced Beane on the Hudson deal.

[RockTheIvy]

Beane is good. He fleeced Jockety in the Mulder trade. :lol: Note to Hendry: Proceed with caution.

And Atlanta fleeced Beane on the Hudson deal.

 

Very true. Herr Beane has made a few mistakes, that's for sure.

[stitchface]

Beane is good. He fleeced Jockety in the Mulder trade. :lol: Note to Hendry: Proceed with caution.

And Atlanta fleeced Beane on the Hudson deal.

 

Very true. Herr Beane has made a few mistakes, that's for sure.

 

Perhaps we should wait more than one season to judge these deals? Hudson is a huge injury risk.

[RockTheIvy]

Beane is good. He fleeced Jockety in the Mulder trade. :lol: Note to Hendry: Proceed with caution.

And Atlanta fleeced Beane on the Hudson deal.

 

Very true. Herr Beane has made a few mistakes, that's for sure.

 

Perhaps we should wait more than one season to judge these deals? Hudson is a huge injury risk.

 

He's averaged over 200 innings per season. Just curious, what is at risk with him?

[stitchface]

small frame, violent motion, many many innings pitched. he's also had some elbow problems in recent years. Ultimately the A's saw him as replaceable but I think they had some concerns about his health as well. Didn't he struggle down the stretch this year?

[E.J.]

Looks like Kaplan was wrong. Rotoworld:

 

Barry Zito - S - Athletics

 

 

Contradicting a radio report, sources from both the Cubs and A's told the Chicago Tribune that the two teams haven't talked since early December.

The report said the Cubs had recently resumed talks with the A's regarding Barry Zito. The A's reportedly have to be "overwhelmed" by an offer for Zito, Oakland sources told the Tribune. They'll want a major league-ready pitcher and a top prospect. Dec. 31 - 1:21 am et

Source: Chicago Tribune

 

Although, Hendry and Beane have both shown that they like to keep quiet about potential trades...

[CuseCubFan69]

I don't know but I just have a funny feeling about Zito, and not a good one.

 

I'm curious, how would he do in the open market (Free agent money wise) compared to Prior and Z.

[anemic offense]

I like Zito. Get him.

 

I don't. I get the feeling he's one of the those pitchers who once he get figured out, isn't that hard to hit.

I don't think its fair to say that. He's been fairly consistent the last 5 years, starting 34+ games 5 years in a row with pretty solid numbers, including a Cy Young. Factor in that he has been pitching against some formidable lienups in the AL West his whole career, I think he'd be fine.

 

Actually, I think he would be more dominant than usual when he first comes into the NL because of the unfamiliarity.

 

I agree with this, at least initially. But I'm just not sold he will be good enough over the long haul to warrant the years, dollars, and talent (via trade) his name will command.

 

Admittingly, I can't say I've seen him enough to delve into a long diatribe on why the Cubs shouldn't acquire him. Nor will I throw a bunch of stats around as I'm not a huge stathound (though I do belive his K/9 has dropped in each of the last several years). A lot of what I say is based on a hunch, an on some of his games I've seen the last few seasons. While every pithcer has there off days (Z got hammered 3 or so times last year), Zito's bad days are scary bad (kinda like Maddux is now). If his curveball is working, he seems to be very tough to beat. When it's not he has little else to throw at you. Pithcer's like this scare me, especially when they command the $$$ and years of a superstar.

 

Then again what do I know? I could just as easily (and pry would be) wrong.

 

5 straight years of 210+ innings of above average pitching. he's had an era over 4 once in his career and even then it was above league average.

 

his g/f ratio leaves something to be desired but he gets outs, that's undeniable.

 

he's an excellent pitcher with an excellent track record.

 

He may be a good pitcher, but those fly balls in the Coliseum (or whatever they call it) will turn into homeruns at Wrigley (though I do like that he's an innings eater). Again, I'm not basing what I'm saying on stats, rather from observations which make me feel uneasy. We're already paying 9 mil dollars apiece for two mistakes, and I'd hate to see the Cubs do so on another. But that's just my opionion.

[JWCUB]

Any new Zito news?

[TrueBlueCubFan]

Any new Zito news?

Hopefully, not until Nov. of 06' when he is a FA.

[NorthsideAvenger]

small frame, violent motion, many many innings pitched. he's also had some elbow problems in recent years. Ultimately the A's saw him as replaceable but I think they had some concerns about his health as well. Didn't he struggle down the stretch this year?

 

I don't think it had to do with health as it had to do with the fact that Hudson was going to make $10 + mill per yr. Oakland can't handle too many expensive players, seeing Chavez is their current "expensive player".

 

And Oakland definately miss the boat, Cruz (maybe a decent reliever in time), Charles Thomas (a backup OF) and Dan Meyer (solid back of rotation pitcher). They should had gotten Davies and the catcher with a last name hard to spell/pronounce Simonaccthica (or however you spell it) instead of Cruz/Thomas.