Dodgers trade Bradley to A's

[Soul]

I get so sick and tired of all these posters that do nothing but blast Hendry, already they have given up all hope for next year. Oh please! people are so negative, and then the first moment Hendry pulls off a trade they like, they're singing Hendry's praises. I for one, am glad that Jim Hendry is our GM and not some of the posters (including myself) on this board.

 

Yeah, i hate those people that criticize him when he does something stupid, and praise him when he does something good. I mean, that's just kooky talk!

 

OMG, I'm still laughing at your sig pic. Funniest thing I've seen in ages.

 

Thx :lol:

[Soul]

I get so sick and tired of all these posters that do nothing but blast Hendry, already they have given up all hope for next year. Oh please! people are so negative, and then the first moment Hendry pulls off a trade they like, they're singing Hendry's praises. I for one, am glad that Jim Hendry is our GM and not some of the posters (including myself) on this board. Remember that it takes two parties to make a trade. Why is it always,solely Hendry's fault when we don't acquire a player we want through a trade or free agency? A Cub fan is never satisfied.

 

Yes, isn't it terrible when people say something is bad when it's bad and good when it's good? How dare they!

 

I *insist* people around here start calling bad things good.

[BigbadB]

He is, at the very least, a little incident-prone, isn't he?

 

Yep, but you ignored quoting the part of my post where I said that. Thanks for that!

 

Apologies.

 

But over the past three seasons Bradley has missed approximately a full season's worth of games, and it wasn't because he was platooned. I would have been disappointed to see the Cubs trade for him. Not nearly as disappointed as I'll be when we sign Jones, but still...

 

At this juncture, I was sorta hoping for a trade combo that netted Huff and Bradley or Floyd and Bradley.

 

Bradley, because he wouldn't take that much to land, and Huff or Floyd, because they have lefty power to balance the heart of the line up.

 

Between Huff, Bradley, Pierre and Murton, the outfield is deep and set, with Mabry and possibly Hairston who could also play on a very rare occasion.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

So I take it Ned Colletti got a cell phone?

 

(For those who don't know, after he had been hired by the Dodgers, the Giants cancelled his cell phone plan and he didn't have another one. He couldn't be contacted during part of the winter meetings.)

[Soul]

He is, at the very least, a little incident-prone, isn't he?

 

Yep, but you ignored quoting the part of my post where I said that. Thanks for that!

 

Apologies.

 

But over the past three seasons Bradley has missed approximately a full season's worth of games, and it wasn't because he was platooned. I would have been disappointed to see the Cubs trade for him. Not nearly as disappointed as I'll be when we sign Jones, but still...

 

At this juncture, I was sorta hoping for a trade combo that netted Huff and Bradley or Floyd and Bradley.

 

Bradley, because he wouldn't take that much to land, and Huff or Floyd, because they have lefty power to balance the heart of the line up.

 

Between Huff, Bradley, Pierre and Murton, the outfield is deep and set, with Mabry and possibly Hairston who could also play on a very rare occasion.

 

At this point, I'd settle for just Huff. Just............do something about our OF Mr. Hendry. Please.

[Jon]

So I take it Ned Colletti got a cell phone?

 

(For those who don't know, after he had been hired by the Dodgers, the Giants cancelled his cell phone plan and he didn't have another one. He couldn't be contacted during part of the winter meetings.)

Must be nice to be able to easily afford the cancellation fee.

[CUBZ99]

Seems like alot of criticism of Hendry going on, without any real discussion of what he should have done. The kid the A's gave up was a pretty good prospect who crushed AA and Fall league pitching this year. The Cubs don't even have a decent OF prospect that produced at that level outside of Pie. As far as other trading chips, I think it is becoming more than clear how other teams value the Cubs pitching prospects.

[Soul]

Seems like alot of criticism of Hendry going on, without any real discussion of what he should have done. The kid the A's gave up was a pretty good prospect who crushed AA and Fall league pitching this year. The Cubs don't even have a decent OF prospect that produced at that level outside of Pie. As far as other trading chips, I think it is becoming more than clear how other teams value the Cubs pitching prospects.

 

Would you trade Pie for Huff?

 

If not, why? I'm curious why everyone's gotten the idea that Pie is untouchable.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Seems like alot of criticism of Hendry going on, without any real discussion of what he should have done. The kid the A's gave up was a pretty good prospect who crushed AA and Fall league pitching this year. The Cubs don't even have a decent OF prospect that produced at that level outside of Pie. As far as other trading chips, I think it is becoming more than clear how other teams value the Cubs pitching prospects.

 

Would you trade Pie for Huff?

 

If not, why? I'm curious why everyone's gotten the idea that Pie is untouchable.

 

I wouldn't, because I don't think Huff is that good (based on his declining stats from last year).

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Seems like alot of criticism of Hendry going on, without any real discussion of what he should have done. The kid the A's gave up was a pretty good prospect who crushed AA and Fall league pitching this year. The Cubs don't even have a decent OF prospect that produced at that level outside of Pie. As far as other trading chips, I think it is becoming more than clear how other teams value the Cubs pitching prospects.

 

Would you trade Pie for Huff?

 

If not, why? I'm curious why everyone's gotten the idea that Pie is untouchable.

 

I would be willing to trade Pie in the right deal, but not for Huff.

 

If Pie with a combination of other players could get me Tejada, Abreu, or Dunn...or some player of that caliber, certainly I'd move him.

[Soul]

Seems like alot of criticism of Hendry going on, without any real discussion of what he should have done. The kid the A's gave up was a pretty good prospect who crushed AA and Fall league pitching this year. The Cubs don't even have a decent OF prospect that produced at that level outside of Pie. As far as other trading chips, I think it is becoming more than clear how other teams value the Cubs pitching prospects.

 

Would you trade Pie for Huff?

 

If not, why? I'm curious why everyone's gotten the idea that Pie is untouchable.

 

I wouldn't, because I don't think Huff is that good (based on his declining stats from last year).

 

Would you trade him for anyone outside of a "superstar"?

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Seems like alot of criticism of Hendry going on, without any real discussion of what he should have done. The kid the A's gave up was a pretty good prospect who crushed AA and Fall league pitching this year. The Cubs don't even have a decent OF prospect that produced at that level outside of Pie. As far as other trading chips, I think it is becoming more than clear how other teams value the Cubs pitching prospects.

 

Would you trade Pie for Huff?

 

If not, why? I'm curious why everyone's gotten the idea that Pie is untouchable.

 

I wouldn't, because I don't think Huff is that good (based on his declining stats from last year).

 

Would you trade him for anyone outside of a "superstar"?

 

Probably not.

[CUBZ99]

Seems like alot of criticism of Hendry going on, without any real discussion of what he should have done. The kid the A's gave up was a pretty good prospect who crushed AA and Fall league pitching this year. The Cubs don't even have a decent OF prospect that produced at that level outside of Pie. As far as other trading chips, I think it is becoming more than clear how other teams value the Cubs pitching prospects.

 

Would you trade Pie for Huff?

 

If not, why? I'm curious why everyone's gotten the idea that Pie is untouchable.

 

I think that is an equally good question to others that are mad with the Cubs not getting Bradley. Would you trade Pie for Bradley? If the Dodgers were looking for a higher level OF prospect for Bradley, the Cubs were never going to be able to work out a deal.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Seems like alot of criticism of Hendry going on, without any real discussion of what he should have done. The kid the A's gave up was a pretty good prospect who crushed AA and Fall league pitching this year. The Cubs don't even have a decent OF prospect that produced at that level outside of Pie. As far as other trading chips, I think it is becoming more than clear how other teams value the Cubs pitching prospects.

 

Would you trade Pie for Huff?

 

If not, why? I'm curious why everyone's gotten the idea that Pie is untouchable.

 

I think that is an equally good question to others that are mad with the Cubs not getting Bradley. Would you trade Pie for Bradley? If the Dodgers were looking for a higher level OF prospect for Bradley, the Cubs were never going to be able to work out a deal.

 

I wouldn't.

 

Of course the A's didn't trade a prospect anywhere near Pie's level.

[BigbadB]

Absolutely no way in the world would I trade Pie for Huff. Huff had a horrible year last year, is making 5m+ a year (something Tampa can't afford) and is taking up roster space from the likes of Jonny Gomes, Delmon Young, etc...

 

If Tampa loves Huff that much, they can keep him.

 

If Tampa really wanted Pie for Huff, then the GM of that team really has a screw loose. Pie isn't a pitcher.

 

Baldelli, Crawford, Gomes, Huff, Gathright, Young, Hollins, etc..

 

That's their list of prospect/established outfielders:

 

Here is their list of decent starting pitchers:

 

Scott Kazmir

 

If I was the Tampa GM, I'd be asking for pitching, pitching and more pitching. Period. If Huff will look better sitting on their bench than say Novoa and Wellemeyer or some pitching prospect, so be it.

[CUBZ99]

Seems like alot of criticism of Hendry going on, without any real discussion of what he should have done. The kid the A's gave up was a pretty good prospect who crushed AA and Fall league pitching this year. The Cubs don't even have a decent OF prospect that produced at that level outside of Pie. As far as other trading chips, I think it is becoming more than clear how other teams value the Cubs pitching prospects.

 

Would you trade Pie for Huff?

 

If not, why? I'm curious why everyone's gotten the idea that Pie is untouchable.

 

I think that is an equally good question to others that are mad with the Cubs not getting Bradley. Would you trade Pie for Bradley? If the Dodgers were looking for a higher level OF prospect for Bradley, the Cubs were never going to be able to work out a deal.

 

I wouldn't.

 

Of course the A's didn't trade a prospect anywhere near Pie's level.

 

True, but his numbers in AA were pretty impressive compared to Pie's and the Cubs simply didn't have a comparable prospect.

 

IMO the Dodgers did a great job at getting the best deal possible for a player that they didn't even want and had no intention of bringing back.

[Soul]

Seems like alot of criticism of Hendry going on, without any real discussion of what he should have done. The kid the A's gave up was a pretty good prospect who crushed AA and Fall league pitching this year. The Cubs don't even have a decent OF prospect that produced at that level outside of Pie. As far as other trading chips, I think it is becoming more than clear how other teams value the Cubs pitching prospects.

 

Would you trade Pie for Huff?

 

If not, why? I'm curious why everyone's gotten the idea that Pie is untouchable.

 

I wouldn't, because I don't think Huff is that good (based on his declining stats from last year).

 

Would you trade him for anyone outside of a "superstar"?

 

Probably not.

 

OK, that's cool. Then I can draw a few conclusions from this (I think):

 

1) Pie needs to be brought up now to the Major League level, where he will likely not be ready yet and will struggle for awhile.

 

~or~

 

2) Pie is not ready for that, so he stays down. We aren't going to improve very much through prospect-style trades. I'm assuming we don't have much else of value in the minors, which I realize isn't totally accurate but is probably in the ballpark.

 

3) If Pie can't be brought up now, and we can't improve much through trades from our minor leagues, then the logical conclusion from this, given the sorry state of the free agent market this year, is that we are in rebuilding mode. I mean--not totally like the Marlins or some other teams, but rebuilding in the sense that we cannot realistically expect contention this year.

[KingKongvs.Godzilla]

.290 .350 .484 - Bradley

 

.258 .322 .435 - Burnitz

 

.249 .319 .438 - Jones

 

And the other two were in pretty decent (Burnitz in a very good) hitters park.

 

Bradley is the youngest, the most talented, and has the best skill set. And he got had for a mid-tier prospect.

 

He also put up this line: .309 .367 .494 away from Chavez Ravine.

 

He's a very, very, very good player when healthy. And his attitude IMO is way overblown.

 

I'm an angry elf right now. I'd MUCH rather have Bradley/Wilkerson (or both) than Pierre + Sanders/Burnitz/Jones. But thats just me...

[CUBZ99]

.290 .350 .484 - Bradley

 

.258 .322 .435 - Burnitz

 

.249 .319 .438 - Jones

 

And the other two were in pretty decent (Burnitz in a very good) hitters park.

 

Bradley is the youngest, the most talented, and has the best skill set. And he got had for a mid-tier prospect.

 

He also put up this line: .309 .367 .494 away from Chavez Ravine.

 

He's a very, very, very good player when healthy. And his attitude IMO is way overblown.

 

I'm an angry elf right now. I'd MUCH rather have Bradley/Wilkerson (or both) than Pierre + Sanders/Burnitz/Jones. But thats just me...

 

How did you expect Hendry to get Bradley? Arm wrestle with the Dodger's GM? The Dodgers got a better return than anything the Cubs had to offer.

[professahesse]

I still think Patterson can hit .275+ with 20+ HR's, 25+ SB's and good RBI production. I say bat him 7th or 8th (after making him stand and just call balls or strikes from live pitching for at least a few hours everyday until opening day). Patterson can cover right and right center, Pierre covers center and part of left center, Murton covers left and part of left center.

[CardsFanInChiTown]

I still think Patterson can hit .275+ with 20+ HR's, 25+ SB's and good RBI production. I say bat him 7th or 8th (after making him stand and just call balls or strikes from live pitching for at least a few hours everyday until opening day). Patterson can cover right and right center, Pierre covers center and part of left center, Murton covers left and part of left center.

 

I think he can do that, just not with the Cubs. He needs to get his head straight at a small market club.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

I think he can do that, just not with the Cubs. He needs to get his head straight at a small market club.

 

How 'bout the one in Des Moines? A season there would do him good.

[professahesse]

I still think Patterson can hit .275+ with 20+ HR's, 25+ SB's and good RBI production. I say bat him 7th or 8th (after making him stand and just call balls or strikes from live pitching for at least a few hours everyday until opening day). Patterson can cover right and right center, Pierre covers center and part of left center, Murton covers left and part of left center.

 

I think he can do that, just not with the Cubs. He needs to get his head straight at a small market club.

 

Yeah, I know that is the consensus view, but if you stick him in the 7 or 8 hole and just let him play I still think he's as good as any RF candidate realistically available to us (except perhaps Floyd...if he's actually available). Plus he's young, fast, got good D and relatively cheap.

[CardsFanInChiTown]

I still think Patterson can hit .275+ with 20+ HR's, 25+ SB's and good RBI production. I say bat him 7th or 8th (after making him stand and just call balls or strikes from live pitching for at least a few hours everyday until opening day). Patterson can cover right and right center, Pierre covers center and part of left center, Murton covers left and part of left center.

 

I think he can do that, just not with the Cubs. He needs to get his head straight at a small market club.

 

Yeah, I know that is the consensus view, but if you stick him in the 7 or 8 hole and just let him play I still think he's as good as any RF candidate realistically available to us (except perhaps Floyd...if he's actually available). Plus he's young, fast, got good D and relatively cheap.

 

They did that for awhile and it didn't work. I went to a few Cub games during his darkest days - his body languge and approach was horrible. Plus he's the new Hawkins\Hundley\Alfonseca whipping boy at wrigley so I don't think he's going to work himself out of his problems in a Cub uniform. I like Corey as a person and I think he's an OK ball player but IMO he really needs a new scene.

Edited December 14, 2005 by CardsFanInChiTown

[Laura]

Yeah, I know that is the consensus view, but if you stick him in the 7 or 8 hole and just let him play I still think he's as good as any RF candidate realistically available to us (except perhaps Floyd...if he's actually available). Plus he's young, fast, got good D and relatively cheap.

 

The reason I have grave doubts about that is the same reason keeping Neifi! around disturbs me: Dusty. Dusty and Corey may not see eye-to-eye, but Dusty has convinced himself that Corey should be able to hit at the top of the order (because he's fast. or whatever). And once Dusty has convinced himself of something, he sticks with it, consequences and results be damned.

 

If by chance Cedeno and Corey are both still on the team in '06, I'd hope that Cedeno would get the free pass to be hidden someplace in the lineup if he struggles. Murton might actually go through a cold spell himself -- I hope not, but it's not beyond the realm of possibility.

 

Additionally ... Corey's defense post-amazing-catch-in-Cincy suffered somewhat last year, and I don't recall him being very successful on the basepaths despite his speed. If the Cubs trade away Cedeno, I'd be more comfortable with Corey sticking around. I can't see having Cedeno / Murton / Corey in the same lineup, and if I have to choose two out of the three, Corey doesn't make the cut.