Rosenthal: "Cubs early favorites to land Tejada"

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Actually, let me add something, too. This is the second paragraph out of the article:

 

The best guess is that the Orioles will do nothing; under owner Peter Angelos, they are notoriously deliberate in trade and free-agent negotiations.

 

C'mon, don't take things out of context! It's pretty much saying, "If, in the unlikely event that Miguel Tejada is traded, the Cubs are the early frontrunners."

 

I guess that may be viewed as optimistic, but I was really expecting something else when I read the topic title/message...

 

It doesn't really matter, because I really doubt Rosenthal knows any more than you or me. It doesn't take any insider knowledge to say that "they probably won't trade Tejada, but here's who's been in the paper the most inquiring about him".

[cjbucks]

But to land Tejada, who by most accounts is one of the top 10 players in the game, teams will get real creative, real fast. And the Orioles would be foolish not to listen.

 

I think a pretty good arguement could be made that he is not one of the top ten players in the game.

[CubinNY]

But to land Tejada, who by most accounts is one of the top 10 players in the game, teams will get real creative, real fast. And the Orioles would be foolish not to listen.

 

I think a pretty good arguement could be made that he is not one of the top ten players in the game.

 

If he is not he is close. And he is the best SS in professional baseball, until Rodriguez decides he wants to play short again.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

But to land Tejada, who by most accounts is one of the top 10 players in the game, teams will get real creative, real fast. And the Orioles would be foolish not to listen.

 

I think a pretty good arguement could be made that he is not one of the top ten players in the game.

 

If he is not he is close. And he is the best SS in professional baseball, until Rodriguez decides he wants to play short again.

 

Tejada was 39th in MLB in OPS, and he plays average at best defense.

[CardsFanInChiTown]

But to land Tejada, who by most accounts is one of the top 10 players in the game, teams will get real creative, real fast. And the Orioles would be foolish not to listen.

 

I think a pretty good arguement could be made that he is not one of the top ten players in the game.

 

If he is not he is close. And he is the best SS in professional baseball, until Rodriguez decides he wants to play short again.

 

Tejada was 39th in MLB in OPS, and he plays average at best defense.

 

12th in VORP

[Transmogrified Tiger]

But to land Tejada, who by most accounts is one of the top 10 players in the game, teams will get real creative, real fast. And the Orioles would be foolish not to listen.

 

I think a pretty good arguement could be made that he is not one of the top ten players in the game.

 

If he is not he is close. And he is the best SS in professional baseball, until Rodriguez decides he wants to play short again.

 

Tejada was 39th in MLB in OPS, and he plays average at best defense.

 

12th in VORP

 

And around 20th in VORP rate, but I don't like VORP anyways.

[CubinNY]

But to land Tejada, who by most accounts is one of the top 10 players in the game, teams will get real creative, real fast. And the Orioles would be foolish not to listen.

 

I think a pretty good arguement could be made that he is not one of the top ten players in the game.

 

If he is not he is close. And he is the best SS in professional baseball, until Rodriguez decides he wants to play short again.

 

Tejada was 39th in MLB in OPS, and he plays average at best defense.

 

And what were his offensive numbers compared to other SS? I'll take average defense with the numbers he puts up.

 

You are going to have to break off this obsession you have with demonstrating that Tejada isn't that good. It does not hold water, especially given his contract in compairson other top of the line SS.

[USSoccer]

It doesn't matter that he plays SS. Tejada would be the second best player on this team offensively behind Ramirez, if you look at 3 yr averages.

 

Yes, defensively he's good, and he's very durable, but he's not a top 10 player in the league. He's barely top 25 if you factor in pitchers. He's very good, don't get me wrong, but he's not as good as his reputation would suggest.

[CardsFanInChiTown]

But to land Tejada, who by most accounts is one of the top 10 players in the game, teams will get real creative, real fast. And the Orioles would be foolish not to listen.

 

I think a pretty good arguement could be made that he is not one of the top ten players in the game.

 

If he is not he is close. And he is the best SS in professional baseball, until Rodriguez decides he wants to play short again.

 

Tejada was 39th in MLB in OPS, and he plays average at best defense.

 

12th in VORP

 

And around 20th in VORP rate, but I don't like VORP anyways.

 

I'm curious, what don't you like about VORP? Do you just perfer rates in general?

[Transmogrified Tiger]

But to land Tejada, who by most accounts is one of the top 10 players in the game, teams will get real creative, real fast. And the Orioles would be foolish not to listen.

 

I think a pretty good arguement could be made that he is not one of the top ten players in the game.

 

If he is not he is close. And he is the best SS in professional baseball, until Rodriguez decides he wants to play short again.

 

Tejada was 39th in MLB in OPS, and he plays average at best defense.

 

12th in VORP

 

And around 20th in VORP rate, but I don't like VORP anyways.

 

I'm curious, what don't you like about VORP? Do you just perfer rates in general?

 

I don't know exactly what goes into VORP, but not to sound old-fashioned and paranoid, I'm not sure how much weight I can put into a metric that claims to be a good park-adjusted measure of offensive performance, and then puts Alfonso Soriano as one of the top 50 hitters, ahead of people like Tracy, Nick Johnson, Floyd, etc.

 

Also, I do prefer rates in just about every instance. The only reason I wouldn't prefer them is if the numbers have been put up in a small sample, and at that point there's not a lot that is going to be a very good measurement.

[Tracer Bullet]

But to land Tejada, who by most accounts is one of the top 10 players in the game, teams will get real creative, real fast. And the Orioles would be foolish not to listen.

 

I think a pretty good arguement could be made that he is not one of the top ten players in the game.

 

If he is not he is close. And he is the best SS in professional baseball, until Rodriguez decides he wants to play short again.

 

Tejada was 39th in MLB in OPS, and he plays average at best defense.

 

And what were his offensive numbers compared to other SS? I'll take average defense with the numbers he puts up.

 

You are going to have to break off this obsession you have with demonstrating that Tejada isn't that good. It does not hold water, especially given his contract in compairson other top of the line SS.

 

So now players are evaluated based on how much money they make? How much did Sammy make last year, in comparison to other RFs?

[CubinNY]

 

So now players are evaluated based on how much money they make? How much did Sammy make last year, in comparison to other RFs?

 

Yes all players are evaluvated by how much they make relative to their production. Professional baseball is a busines.

 

What does Sammy Sosa have to do with Miguel Tejada?

[Transmogrified Tiger]

But to land Tejada, who by most accounts is one of the top 10 players in the game, teams will get real creative, real fast. And the Orioles would be foolish not to listen.

 

I think a pretty good arguement could be made that he is not one of the top ten players in the game.

 

If he is not he is close. And he is the best SS in professional baseball, until Rodriguez decides he wants to play short again.

 

Tejada was 39th in MLB in OPS, and he plays average at best defense.

 

And what were his offensive numbers compared to other SS? I'll take average defense with the numbers he puts up.

 

You are going to have to break off this obsession you have with demonstrating that Tejada isn't that good. It does not hold water, especially given his contract in compairson other top of the line SS.

 

Who cares about what he is compared to other SS? The question was top 10 players in baseball, so position is mostly irrelevant. But since you asked, Young, Peralta, and Jeter were all on par with him last year, and Young and Peralta's contracts are nothing compared to Tejada's. I'm not trying to say that Tejada isn't good, but he's not one of the top 10 players in the game, and he's not worth writing a blank check to acquire. The only reason there's an impression that I'm trying to say he's not good is because so many people overvalue him based on his name, or his sizzling start to last season, or whatever.

[Tim]

I don't know exactly what goes into VORP, but not to sound old-fashioned and paranoid, I'm not sure how much weight I can put into a metric that claims to be a good park-adjusted measure of offensive performance, and then puts Alfonso Soriano as one of the top 50 hitters, ahead of people like Tracy, Nick Johnson, Floyd, etc.

 

Also, I do prefer rates in just about every instance. The only reason I wouldn't prefer them is if the numbers have been put up in a small sample, and at that point there's not a lot that is going to be a very good measurement.

The reason that Soriano gets such a lift is that VORP is a measurement comparing a player to a replacement player at his position. So when you compare Soriano's offense to a replacement level second baseman, he looks awfully darned good.

[CubinNY]

 

Who cares about what he is compared to other SS? The question was top 10 players in baseball, so position is mostly irrelevant. But since you asked, Young, Peralta, and Jeter were all on par with him last year, and Young and Peralta's contracts are nothing compared to Tejada's. I'm not trying to say that Tejada isn't good, but he's not one of the top 10 players in the game, and he's not worth writing a blank check to acquire. The only reason there's an impression that I'm trying to say he's not good is because so many people overvalue him based on his name, or his sizzling start to last season, or whatever.

 

I guess I should make myself more clear. I would rate players by position b/c that I how I see it. To me the best nine players would all play different positions. The reason beying I couldn't put Barry Bonds at SS or Jason Veritek in CF.

 

I agree he is not worth writing a blank check to acquire too. So I don't think Z or Prior should be traded for him. But I would certianly part with any three or four minor leaguers (including Williams, Murton, and Cedeno) for him.

 

Something like this

 

Baltiomore's pick of:

 

2 pitchers + 2 position players

 

1 pitcher + 3 position players

 

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A bit off topic, but I have to think that signing Pierre makes Pie more expendable. I'm not saying I agree with it at all or even a little.

[Tracer Bullet]

 

So now players are evaluated based on how much money they make? How much did Sammy make last year, in comparison to other RFs?

 

Yes all players are evaluvated by how much they make relative to their production. Professional baseball is a busines.

 

What does Sammy Sosa have to do with Miguel Tejada?

 

I took your previous post to mean that Tejada was a great player because he made more money than other players at his position. Hence, the reference to Sammy (not a great player last year, despite making tons of money). I may have misunderstood you, if so, I apologize.

 

I guess I don't understand the point of this statement:

You are going to have to break off this obsession you have with demonstrating that Tejada isn't that good. It does not hold water, especially given his contract in compairson other top of the line SS.

 

Are you saying that we can't argue that Tejada isn't a top 10 player because his contract is reasonable compared to contracts signed by other SS's (Furcal, for example)? If you want to argue that Tejada gives you the most "bang for your buck" so to speak - that's one thing. But if you're talking simply the top 10 players in the league (which I think was the question), why does it matter what he's paid?

[CubinNY]

 

So now players are evaluated based on how much money they make? How much did Sammy make last year, in comparison to other RFs?

 

Yes all players are evaluvated by how much they make relative to their production. Professional baseball is a busines.

 

What does Sammy Sosa have to do with Miguel Tejada?

 

I took your previous post to mean that Tejada was a great player because he made more money than other players at his position. Hence, the reference to Sammy (not a great player last year, despite making tons of money). I may have misunderstood you, if so, I apologize.

 

I guess I don't understand the point of this statement:

You are going to have to break off this obsession you have with demonstrating that Tejada isn't that good. It does not hold water, especially given his contract in compairson other top of the line SS.

 

Are you saying that we can't argue that Tejada isn't a top 10 player because his contract is reasonable compared to contracts signed by other SS's (Furcal, for example)? If you want to argue that Tejada gives you the most "bang for your buck" so to speak - that's one thing. But if you're talking simply the top 10 players in the league (which I think was the question), why does it matter what he's paid?

 

This is realted to my last post. It matters because even if money were not an object an owner couldn't fill his team with the best nine players. That is not the case with pitchers though (the owner could acquire the best 5 starting pitchers, if money were not an object).

 

For example both Manny and Bonds play left field and Vlad plays right, but none of them could play center (maybe Vlad could but that is stretching things a good deal) So when I talk about the "best" I am saying the best at one's position.

 

Now one could argue that Tejada isn't the best at his position. But given his production for the money he makes in relation to Jeter, Rodriguez, Furcal, Renteria, Eckstein, Garciparra, and others he is right there.

[don_kessinger_was_good]

The more thought I put into this, the less enamored I am of pursuing Tejada given the likely cost. I'd rather get a slugging RF and take my chances at this point with Cedeno and Walker. Ronny is tearing up the VWL, after hitting well in Iowa and Chicago last year. He is ready. And we know Walker's pros and cons. But you go with those two, and you still KEEP the likes of Hill, Pie, Williams and/or others. Result: we're better off.

 

Let's make the trade for a good RF instead. As usual, Bobby Abreu, Yoda looks at you.

[CubinNY]

The more thought I put into this, the less enamored I am of pursuing Tejada given the likely cost. I'd rather get a slugging RF and take my chances at this point with Cedeno and Walker. Ronny is tearing up the VWL, after hitting well in Iowa and Chicago last year. He is ready. And we know Walker's pros and cons. But you go with those two, and you still KEEP the likes of Hill, Pie, Williams and/or others. Result: we're better off.

 

Let's make the trade for a good RF instead. As usual, Bobby Abreu, Yoda looks at you.

 

I agree, but who is to say Abrue wouldn't cost just as much?

[Outshined_One]

The more thought I put into this, the less enamored I am of pursuing Tejada given the likely cost. I'd rather get a slugging RF and take my chances at this point with Cedeno and Walker. Ronny is tearing up the VWL, after hitting well in Iowa and Chicago last year. He is ready. And we know Walker's pros and cons. But you go with those two, and you still KEEP the likes of Hill, Pie, Williams and/or others. Result: we're better off.

 

Let's make the trade for a good RF instead. As usual, Bobby Abreu, Yoda looks at you.

 

I agree, but who is to say Abrue wouldn't cost just as much?

 

I'd honestly rather have Abreu at this point than Tejada. It'd be one thing if the Cubs had some one ready to take over in RF and a gaping hole at SS...but instead it's the other way around.

[CuseCubFan69]

The more thought I put into this, the less enamored I am of pursuing Tejada given the likely cost. I'd rather get a slugging RF and take my chances at this point with Cedeno and Walker. Ronny is tearing up the VWL, after hitting well in Iowa and Chicago last year. He is ready. And we know Walker's pros and cons. But you go with those two, and you still KEEP the likes of Hill, Pie, Williams and/or others. Result: we're better off.

 

Let's make the trade for a good RF instead. As usual, Bobby Abreu, Yoda looks at you.

 

Don....do you really think Baker is going to play Murton and Cedeno?

 

I like Abreu too but IMO he is going to take a couple of major league ready players just to start the Phillies talking. Since the Cubs have 2 #1 starters and 3 number 5's I think that hurts the chance of this deal happening.

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

The more thought I put into this, the less enamored I am of pursuing Tejada given the likely cost. I'd rather get a slugging RF and take my chances at this point with Cedeno and Walker. Ronny is tearing up the VWL, after hitting well in Iowa and Chicago last year. He is ready. And we know Walker's pros and cons. But you go with those two, and you still KEEP the likes of Hill, Pie, Williams and/or others. Result: we're better off.

 

Let's make the trade for a good RF instead. As usual, Bobby Abreu, Yoda looks at you.

 

Don....do you really think Baker is going to play Murton and Cedeno?

 

I like Abreu too but IMO he is going to take a couple of major league ready players just to start the Phillies talking. Since the Cubs have 2 #1 starters and 3 number 5's I think that hurts the chance of this deal happening.

 

supposedly Baker doesn't want an extension in Chicago, so there is only one more year left of his vet love.

[da bears]

The more thought I put into this, the less enamored I am of pursuing Tejada given the likely cost. I'd rather get a slugging RF and take my chances at this point with Cedeno and Walker. Ronny is tearing up the VWL, after hitting well in Iowa and Chicago last year. He is ready. And we know Walker's pros and cons. But you go with those two, and you still KEEP the likes of Hill, Pie, Williams and/or others. Result: we're better off.

 

Let's make the trade for a good RF instead. As usual, Bobby Abreu, Yoda looks at you.

 

Don....do you really think Baker is going to play Murton and Cedeno?

 

I like Abreu too but IMO he is going to take a couple of major league ready players just to start the Phillies talking. Since the Cubs have 2 #1 starters and 3 number 5's I think that hurts the chance of this deal happening.

 

supposedly Baker doesn't want an extension in Chicago, so there is only one more year left of his vet love.

 

Where'd you hear that?

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

The more thought I put into this, the less enamored I am of pursuing Tejada given the likely cost. I'd rather get a slugging RF and take my chances at this point with Cedeno and Walker. Ronny is tearing up the VWL, after hitting well in Iowa and Chicago last year. He is ready. And we know Walker's pros and cons. But you go with those two, and you still KEEP the likes of Hill, Pie, Williams and/or others. Result: we're better off.

 

Let's make the trade for a good RF instead. As usual, Bobby Abreu, Yoda looks at you.

 

Don....do you really think Baker is going to play Murton and Cedeno?

 

I like Abreu too but IMO he is going to take a couple of major league ready players just to start the Phillies talking. Since the Cubs have 2 #1 starters and 3 number 5's I think that hurts the chance of this deal happening.

 

supposedly Baker doesn't want an extension in Chicago, so there is only one more year left of his vet love.

 

Where'd you hear that?

 

from the San Francisco Chronicle.

 

Dusty Baker is sounding quite uninspired to be returning as manager (a man of his word, he's honoring the last year of his contract, but there's no way he wants an extension).

 

link

[CubinNY]

The more thought I put into this, the less enamored I am of pursuing Tejada given the likely cost. I'd rather get a slugging RF and take my chances at this point with Cedeno and Walker. Ronny is tearing up the VWL, after hitting well in Iowa and Chicago last year. He is ready. And we know Walker's pros and cons. But you go with those two, and you still KEEP the likes of Hill, Pie, Williams and/or others. Result: we're better off.

 

Let's make the trade for a good RF instead. As usual, Bobby Abreu, Yoda looks at you.

 

Don....do you really think Baker is going to play Murton and Cedeno?

 

I like Abreu too but IMO he is going to take a couple of major league ready players just to start the Phillies talking. Since the Cubs have 2 #1 starters and 3 number 5's I think that hurts the chance of this deal happening.

 

supposedly Baker doesn't want an extension in Chicago, so there is only one more year left of his vet love.

 

Where'd you hear that?

 

from the San Francisco Chronicle.

 

Dusty Baker is sounding quite uninspired to be returning as manager (a man of his word, he's honoring the last year of his contract, but there's no way he wants an extension).

 

link

 

Phil Rogers also had a scathing write up re: Johnny B. wherein he hinted that he thinks Baker is not too happy in Chicago.

 

But it is Phil Rogers, so take it for what it is worth.