Tejada wants to be traded

[Drew Doughty]

The team around him fell apart. He was probably mentally deflated.

[JonnyRed]

some idiots (o's fans, too) on the o's message boards are saying Tejada for Cedeno, Hill and Guzman... uhh, OK!

 

Are you staying that's too much? Heck, I'd make that trade in a minute.

[Mizzou]

16 pages deep in this thread... drunk... is there any real chance of the Cubs landing Tejada? Thanks.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

16 pages deep in this thread... drunk... is there any real chance of the Cubs landing Tejada? Thanks.

 

No, he apparently wants a trade. Then we argued about Tejada.

[imb]

16 pages deep in this thread... drunk... is there any real chance of the Cubs landing Tejada? Thanks.

 

No, he apparently wants a trade. Then we argued about Tejada.

 

actually, about walker

[NorthsideAvenger]

16 pages deep in this thread... drunk... is there any real chance of the Cubs landing Tejada? Thanks.

 

No, he apparently wants a trade. Then we argued about Tejada.

 

actually, about walker

 

Sorry to hijack the thread....but Conine is close to rejoining the Orioles (2 stints with the Royals, two stints with the Marlins, and NOW 2 stints with the Orioles....what a nut). I wonder if that will change Tejada's mind about leaving? :roll:

[WrigleyinEngland]

This is never going to happen but i will comment anyway. If i'm JH i would look at the situation this way........

 

1. I have 1 year left along with baker to make an impression and put a winning team on the field.

 

2. The cubs farm just doesn't seem to produce good/great major league position prospects ( Murton is from Boston and cedeno will be ruined by dusty).

 

3. Putting the above factors on the line combined with the fact that i have a boatload of cash and that D Lee is a FA next year and Aramis can opt out i do the following.

 

Offer Baltimore any 3 prospects from our system ( including Pie, Hill) and J Will or Cedeno along with Patterson. The offer is so high because tejadas contract is so reasonable. I know you mortgage the farm but if you can get Bradley and play walker at 2nd that lineup could be potent for at least 3 more years. You then have options next year with possibly both Wood and Maddux off the payroll to re-shape your pitching staff. I respect everyones opinion on here and you are prob all screaming what an idiot i am but would you complain about this for opening day?

 

1. CF JP

2. 2B T Walk

3. 1B D Lee

4. SS Tejada

5. 3B Aram

6. RF M Bradley

7. LF M Murton

8. C M Barrett.

 

JH will never do it but i think some of the points i've made are at least reasonable. I love following and watching our prospects develop but isn't the whole point of the farm to help the big club win??. This move along with finding pitching for next year definetely does that.

[Cubzfan64]

some idiots (o's fans, too) on the o's message boards are saying Tejada for Cedeno, Hill and Guzman... uhh, OK!

 

Are you staying that's too much? Heck, I'd make that trade in a minute.

 

I second that motion - I wouldn't even think twice. The O's will want more than that I'm sure.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

Alrighty. Let's look at it this way:

 

Who do we have at SS next year, as of right now? Cedeno (I refuse to believe that Neifi will play). What kind of line do you think he'll put up?

 

I say something like .270/.320/.400. Not too shabby, not too great. What would Tejada put up? .300/.350/.500. A significant upgrade. .30 points in OBP, .100 in slugging. But we'd have to gut our farm system and take on a big, if reasonable, contract to get him.

 

Now. Who do we have in RF next year, as of right now? Nobody. Nobody will put up a line of .000/.000/.000. Or, if you like, John Mabry, who, if starting in RF all year, would put up a line of .210/.260/.370 or the like. So what would Milton Bradley put up? .275/.350/.440. Not extraordinary, but pretty strong. But it IS an enormous upgrade over what we've got now (.90 points in OBP, .70 slugging), and it wouldn't cost very much at all in terms of prospects or cash.

 

So which do you take: the significant but not extraordinary upgrade at SS that costs your farm system and 40 million dollars? Or the huge upgrade in RF that costs a solid but not premium prospect or two and maybe 5 million dollars? And before you say "both," consider what that would do to our farm system as well as our big league rotation and our payroll, and if it could even be done. Tejada just isn't worth "any four prospects," as some people have suggested.

 

Nice breakdown of the numbers. On the other hand, the Cubs are still 16-20 million under budget for 2005, and maybe more if Walker is moved. The Cubs could absorb Tejada's 12 million and still go out and sign Juan Encarnacion for RF. While Encarnacion isn't a great option, he would be adequate if Tejada were our SS.

[biittner77]

Just because he wants to be traded now doesn't mean the O's are forced to trade him. I would expect them to ask a lot more than what has been offered here. In other words, if you think Pie, Guzman, Patterson, and Williams is overpaying then forget about Tejada -at least for the time being.

 

The O's don't need to clear payroll and it's against their nature to rebuild (regardless of whether or not they should) I'd be interested to see if the O's and Cubs could discuss a blockbuster type deal such as Tejada, Mora and Gibbons for Ramirez, Cedeno, Wellemeyer and Patterson. The Cubs could then re sign Nomar to play 3rd and put Mora in RF, or Put Mora at 3rd and start Gibbons in RF.

 

I look for the O's to meet with him, smooth things over and maybe trade him during the season when he will still be in high demand.

[back2backjax]

Just because he wants to be traded now doesn't mean the O's are forced to trade him. I would expect them to ask a lot more than what has been offered here. In other words, if you think Pie, Guzman, Patterson, and Williams is overpaying then forget about Tejada -at least for the time being.

 

The O's don't need to clear payroll and it's against their nature to rebuild (regardless of whether or not they should) I'd be interested to see if the O's and Cubs could discuss a blockbuster type deal such as Tejada, Mora and Gibbons for Ramirez, Cedeno, Wellemeyer and Patterson. The Cubs could then re sign Nomar to play 3rd and put Mora in RF, or Put Mora at 3rd and start Gibbons in RF.

 

I look for the O's to meet with him, smooth things over and maybe trade him during the season when he will still be in high demand.

 

any talk of trading ramirez should result in the author being dragged from his/her home and beat silly with a wet towel. we waited 30+ years to get a 3rd baseman and we shouldn't consider trading him now to upgrade SS from cedeno to tejada. if it was neifi or macias to tejada, you maybe entertain the idea.

[goonys evil twin]

I don't know what to make of this story. Certainly Baltimore can still just hold onto Tejada and try to make the best of their bad situation.

 

However, Angelos is not a win at all costs guy. He was upset with the DC move because of a potential loss of cash, not a loss of fans. MLB already appeased the greedy slimeball with guaranteed cash from any potential loss of attendance to Washington. I could easily see Angelos taking advantage of this situation to simply pocket more money, by not spending it on an unhappy player. Certainly he couldn't be blamed for trading a guy who wants to be traded. Given their situation, he could easily spin this as good for the team in the long haul. They aren't going to compete in 2006.

 

I'd send them Walker, Patterson, Cedeno, Guzman and 2 more arms for Tejada, even if they don't eat some cash. If they insist on Pie, I probably give him up. If they want Hill, Harvey or Dopirak, I would probably throw in any of them. The trio of Ramirez, Lee and Tejada allows you to withstand less than stellar production in the OF. Basically, Miggy gives you what Nomar never had a chance of giving you. I'd then have no problem settling on one of the lesser right fielders for a reasonable contract.

[Wheelimus]

Good point, he could jettison Tejada, and blame any loss in attendance on the Nats and get his money anyway.

 

Here's a plumb crazy thought, hehe. Tejada at shortstop, sign Encarncion (unless Bradley is still cheap), and sign a little known ballplayer named Sammy Sosa, who is supposadly Tejada's friend, to be the 4th outfielder, and who knows, maybe he beats Encarncion out for the job :lol: (kidding, kidding, I know they supposadly had a falling out and Mabry will be our RF before Sammy ever is again :cry: )

[CuseCubFan69]

I don't know what to make of this story. Certainly Baltimore can still just hold onto Tejada and try to make the best of their bad situation.

 

However, Angelos is not a win at all costs guy. He was upset with the DC move because of a potential loss of cash, not a loss of fans. MLB already appeased the greedy slimeball with guaranteed cash from any potential loss of attendance to Washington. I could easily see Angelos taking advantage of this situation to simply pocket more money, by not spending it on an unhappy player. Certainly he couldn't be blamed for trading a guy who wants to be traded. Given their situation, he could easily spin this as good for the team in the long haul. They aren't going to compete in 2006.

 

I'd send them Walker, Patterson, Cedeno, Guzman and 2 more arms for Tejada, even if they don't eat some cash. If they insist on Pie, I probably give him up. If they want Hill, Harvey or Dopirak, I would probably throw in any of them. The trio of Ramirez, Lee and Tejada allows you to withstand less than stellar production in the OF. Basically, Miggy gives you what Nomar never had a chance of giving you. I'd then have no problem settling on one of the lesser right fielders for a reasonable contract.

 

That's what I'm thinking too. A solid platoon in right would also cover the Cubs in case one of the OF's gets hurt or struggles.

[jtownie]

I don't know what to make of this story. Certainly Baltimore can still just hold onto Tejada and try to make the best of their bad situation.

 

However, Angelos is not a win at all costs guy. He was upset with the DC move because of a potential loss of cash, not a loss of fans. MLB already appeased the greedy slimeball with guaranteed cash from any potential loss of attendance to Washington. I could easily see Angelos taking advantage of this situation to simply pocket more money, by not spending it on an unhappy player. Certainly he couldn't be blamed for trading a guy who wants to be traded. Given their situation, he could easily spin this as good for the team in the long haul. They aren't going to compete in 2006.

 

I'd send them Walker, Patterson, Cedeno, Guzman and 2 more arms for Tejada, even if they don't eat some cash. If they insist on Pie, I probably give him up. If they want Hill, Harvey or Dopirak, I would probably throw in any of them. The trio of Ramirez, Lee and Tejada allows you to withstand less than stellar production in the OF. Basically, Miggy gives you what Nomar never had a chance of giving you. I'd then have no problem settling on one of the lesser right fielders for a reasonable contract.

 

That's what I'm thinking too. A solid platoon in right would also cover the Cubs in case one of the OF's gets hurt or struggles.

 

I'm wondering if there is a way to get a 3rd team involved...say Tampa Bay, or even Arizona with Javier Vazquez being involved. Although I am not sure if Baltimore was one of the teams he voided as an option. Either way, I agree that having Tejada at SS definitely eases having average OF production.

[goonys evil twin]

I'm probably several pages late on this, but it's pretty interesting that Stockstill just went to Baltimore's front office. If it's true that guys often have a personal bias over the kids they drafted, there could be something to this. Of course, he also probably knows all the faults of Cubs prospects and wouldn't be fooled.

 

Anyway, I'm not going to let go of this dream just yet.

[StMarksCubs]

I don't know what to make of this story. Certainly Baltimore can still just hold onto Tejada and try to make the best of their bad situation.

 

However, Angelos is not a win at all costs guy. He was upset with the DC move because of a potential loss of cash, not a loss of fans. MLB already appeased the greedy slimeball with guaranteed cash from any potential loss of attendance to Washington. I could easily see Angelos taking advantage of this situation to simply pocket more money, by not spending it on an unhappy player. Certainly he couldn't be blamed for trading a guy who wants to be traded. Given their situation, he could easily spin this as good for the team in the long haul. They aren't going to compete in 2006.

 

I'd send them Walker, Patterson, Cedeno, Guzman and 2 more arms for Tejada, even if they don't eat some cash. If they insist on Pie, I probably give him up. If they want Hill, Harvey or Dopirak, I would probably throw in any of them. The trio of Ramirez, Lee and Tejada allows you to withstand less than stellar production in the OF. Basically, Miggy gives you what Nomar never had a chance of giving you. I'd then have no problem settling on one of the lesser right fielders for a reasonable contract.

 

That's what I'm thinking too. A solid platoon in right would also cover the Cubs in case one of the OF's gets hurt or struggles.

 

I'm wondering if there is a way to get a 3rd team involved...say Tampa Bay, or even Arizona with Javier Vazquez being involved. Although I am not sure if Baltimore was one of the teams he voided as an option. Either way, I agree that having Tejada at SS definitely eases having average OF production.

 

To me, it's this simple: If they decide to trade Tejada, give them whatever they want.

 

You only raise prospects in the hope that they, one day, might be half the player of a Miguel Tejada.

 

Look for an article from Bruce Miles about this tomorrow in the Herald..

[StMarksCubs]

And one more thing... I'd like to know more about Tejada and steroids:

 

Canseco also named Miguel Tejada, who is 29. Tejada has three homers since the beginning of June - could his power drought mean that he's off the juice? Remember, this is a team with Rafael Palmeiro and Sammy Sosa already on the roster. It's not too far a stretch. If Tejada came up positive, the Orioles' reputation would really plummet.

[Ding Dong Johnson]

And one more thing... I'd like to know more about Tejada and steroids:

 

Canseco also named Miguel Tejada, who is 29. Tejada has three homers since the beginning of June - could his power drought mean that he's off the juice? Remember, this is a team with Rafael Palmeiro and Sammy Sosa already on the roster. It's not too far a stretch. If Tejada came up positive, the Orioles' reputation would really plummet.

 

He came off the juice and posted the 2nd highest SLG of his career? I don't think so. He either was not on the juice, the juice wasn't doing much, or he was good enough to not get caught (maybe swapped urine samples with Palmeiro). I'll still take him.

[CuseCubFan69]

And one more thing... I'd like to know more about Tejada and steroids:

 

Canseco also named Miguel Tejada, who is 29. Tejada has three homers since the beginning of June - could his power drought mean that he's off the juice? Remember, this is a team with Rafael Palmeiro and Sammy Sosa already on the roster. It's not too far a stretch. If Tejada came up positive, the Orioles' reputation would really plummet.

 

Yeah, this is a worry I have also.

[jtownie]

I'm probably several pages late on this, but it's pretty interesting that Stockstill just went to Baltimore's front office. If it's true that guys often have a personal bias over the kids they drafted, there could be something to this. Of course, he also probably knows all the faults of Cubs prospects and wouldn't be fooled.

 

Anyway, I'm not going to let go of this dream just yet.

 

I forgot about that! This could work in our favor. It just all seems really perfect. The Furcal door closed and another, more promising door opens. I just hope the Cubs get to walk through it.

 

Telling myself not to get excited about this...

[Ding Dong Johnson]

I just noticed this on rotoworld.

 

The Orioles are moving closer to signing Jeff Conine to a one-year deal worth about $1.5 million.

How is Miggy liking their direction now? Dec. 9 - 4:43 am et

 

:lol: :lol: :lol:

[Transmogrified Tiger]

To me, it's this simple: If they decide to trade Tejada, give them whatever they want.

 

You only raise prospects in the hope that they, one day, might be half the player of a Miguel Tejada.

 

This is what I've been talking about the entire thread. Tejada isn't THAT good.

[CardsFanInChiTown]

To me, it's this simple: If they decide to trade Tejada, give them whatever they want.

 

You only raise prospects in the hope that they, one day, might be half the player of a Miguel Tejada.

 

This is what I've been talking about the entire thread. Tejada isn't THAT good.

 

12th highest VORP in baseball last season? The guy is really good.

 

That said a guy like Aberu would be a better fit for the Cubs considering their hole in RF.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

To me, it's this simple: If they decide to trade Tejada, give them whatever they want.

 

You only raise prospects in the hope that they, one day, might be half the player of a Miguel Tejada.

 

This is what I've been talking about the entire thread. Tejada isn't THAT good.

 

12th highest VORP in baseball last season? The guy is really good.

 

That said a guy like Aberu would be a better fit for the Cubs considering their hole in RF.

 

Position scarcity doesn't matter in this sense. For the production you are getting in return at his age and contract, it's not worth giving Baltimore a blank check of prospects like many are suggesting.