so you're saying that group A (jones, pierre, eyre, howry, rusch and marshall) are not only as good as group B (burnitz, corey, remlinger, hawkins, prior and wood), but are SEVEN WINS BETTER? now who's being ridiculous? Do you remember how bad the bullpen was last year, how many games it cost us? Yes, the bullpen additions make us 5-7 wins better. Also, having Pierre leading off (even if he repeats his 2005 numbers) is a HUGE boon to the offense, and will add runs. Murton > Holla/Gerut/Lawton Jones +/> Burnitz Pierre >>>>>> CPatt Howry/Williamson/Eyre/Dempster >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Remlinger/Wuertz/Novoa/Hawkins 2006 bench > 2005 bench Wuertz and Ohman will not have nearly as much pressure on them, and the contrast between last year's pen and this on could not be more stark. Not only that, but if Wood and Prior do not return, Guzman, Williams and Miller will be waiting in the wings all year, not Mitre, Koronka & Co. Will Lee regress? Most probably. To his pre-2005 numbers? Probably not. Plus, I don't think Ramirez will miss a month again (as he is in the best shape he has been in with the Cubs), and his added offense will probably negate Lee's decline over the course of a full season. Walker probably won't miss a month again, either. And we can't forget Macias won't be the primary PH anymore, which will make a difference. I think the pessimist's probable scenario is that Wood/Prior give 2/3 of the combined innings they pitches last year. Even given that, We would likely have a rotation of Zambrano/Maddux/Rusch/Williams/Guzman or Zambrano/Maddux/Rusch/Miller/Guzman or Williams for most of the year (Marshall will make a maximum of 3 starts, IMO). Both are repectable rotations, not great, but not bad. Combine that with the offensive and bullpen improvements, even if we had to go the whole year in that scenario, no way do we lose 90 games. No freaking way. In order to lose 90+, Wood and Prior would have to miss nearly the whole year, Pierre would have to regress again, and Lee or Ramirez would have to miss significant time, and Dempster would have to fall apart. And even if Dempster fell apart, we have an ex-closer in Williamson, who unlike Hawkins, was very good in that role. I think in the worst probable scenario, the Cubs lose 82-87 games.