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Brian Roberts admits to steroid use
jersey cubs fan replied to don_kessinger_was_good's topic in Chicago Cubs Talk
I don't know. I just don't see it escalating much further from here as far as lists and whatnot. Congress acted as a way to twist some arms and get baseball to police itself. That has happened. -
Sorry, that is not the case: From the facts we have its safe to conclude that this was a mutual decision, IMO. The Cubs did not want the risk, Prior did not want to play for the Cubs for any longer for whatever his reasons are. I wish we had him back, but I get why the Cubs made the decision they did. It makes sense on both sides, IMO. Sorry, but you're wrong. The Cubs made the decision not to offer arbitration. That's the only fact that matters. The story that they couldn't get Prior to agree to what was undoubtedly an extremely team friendly contract does not make it a mutual decision. If I offer $20,000 for a Mercedes and they don't take it, that doesn't make it a mutual decision.
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I don't think this changes anything from Hendry's side. The asking price might go down slightly, though. As a man who made his money as a defense lawyer and representing labor, it's hard to determine how Angelos will react to Roberts' perhaps unnecessary admission. Angelos was the lone owner to speak out against the Mitchell report. It's possible he could feel betrayed by Roberts validating the report. It's possible he could feel more attached to the player's "integrity". I wouldn't count on this lowering his price though.
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why would he feel any obligation not to go to the team he feels he fits best? why is it classless to go elsewhere in the division? It's a slap in the face to the Cubs fans that idolized him. You know the people that paid for the tickets, bought his jersey, etc. The city of Chicago and Cubs fans made him rich - and we've been waiting (and paying) for a long time for him to get healthy. If he wanted to repay a little bit of what he's been given by all of us he could have taken a two-year incentive laden deal. How about a little loyalty? If he comes back in the 2nd half of 08 pitching for another team in the same division it only magnifies things. Take your smug expressions and get out of town Mark. It's times like this that I'd really like to ignore the board rules and regulations, or just get myself banned from this website. But I'm trying Ringo, I'm trying really hard...............................
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Brian Roberts admits to steroid use
jersey cubs fan replied to don_kessinger_was_good's topic in Chicago Cubs Talk
I can't speak to Roberts since I haven't seen the story, but I don't think Pettitte gets any credit for his "admission." He gets credit in my mind only so far as he didn't deny it. Same with Vina. Vina's story was so weak though that I didn't buy a word of it. He was trying to admit it while dodging responsibility for it the whole time. I don't buy any of the "it was just for rehab" stories. And frankly, I don't buy Roberts "only once" story. Maybe one cycle, but I doubt he went through the trouble of getting an injection, and then stopped right there. It's an "I didn't inhale" excuse. Although I really don't blame any of these guys for not being 100% truthful about it. It's got to be embarrassing. -
It's not all about 2008 though. If Pie gets that experience, he likely will be a better value than Murton by 09 (hit a little worse, but as long as it's only a little worse playing a tougher position with better defense will make up for that). Then of course there's the fact that Fukudome doesn't really want to play CF consistently. I think that's the debate. Many think Pie will do nothing with the bat. If that's the case, he wouldn't be a better value than Murton. Murton remains valuable as long as he's relatively "poorly" compensated and still hitting better than average. The Cubs probably only have 2008 and 2009 to take advantage of those years for Murton. Pie has more time where that should be the case. Also, I'm not sure it's a fact that Fukudome doesn't want to play CF consistently. And frankly, I don't think it should matter. Mega bucks Soriano was moved all over the OF, and he was a question at all three positions. If Fukudome can play CF, then the Cubs should play him there if it allows them to field a better lineup.
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The same argument can be made for the decision on whether or not to replace the guaranteed mediocre proven veteran with the unknown prospect. Obviously we could always end up worse, but the goal isn't to tread water. The goal is to win the world series, and the best chance you have of doing that is fielding a great team year-in and year-out. Hendry has proven he can't do that.
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Dubois hype didn't compare to Soto. People didn't want Hollandsworth getting playing time over him because Todd was the mediocre veteran that was a known quantity, while Dubois was the unknown, not because they were convinced he was the next big thing. There were expectations for Dubois to do better than he eventually did, but it was not what is being portrayed here.
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Actually he got a 3 year $8m contract. Crazy. Well, maybe not.
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Ideally, I would agree he's not meant for the job. However, it's not like the Cubs have some perfect leadoff candidate he'd be holding back. And it's not like this is Juan Pierre and the Cubs are foolishly overpaying for a stereotypical leadoff man. It's not even Corey Patterson, where they tried to turn somebody whose game relied almost exclusively on power into a bunter. If he puts up a terrible OBP, I would assume they move him out of the spot anyway. In 2005 he drew 16 BB in 262 AA plate appearances. Since then he's drawn 65 in 873 AAA PA. Not good, but better. Who knows, maybe he pulls a Jose Reyes and actually manages to pull it off despite less than ideal leadoff skills.
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Or most. stupid delayed response
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I mostly agree. I'm not in love with any Cubs prospects, and don't consider any of them close to untouchable. I do believe you have to develop, and keep, some of your own players in order to maintain a quality roster over time. You can't always trade prospects for proven talent. But I'd have no problem with the Cubs trading any of these guys for legit production from a real position. Garland for Karchner = bad Choi for Lee = good
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A) One Zambrano for every five Dubois is probably an excellenct ratio. B) You could not have possibly seen people say we can't possibly trading Dubois. It just never happened. The revisionist history of Dubois has gotten out of control. Dubois was never a big time prospect that everybody loved. Dubois was a guy some people thought could be halfway decent if they had 2 other solid outfielders to play alongside him. He was never an untouchable or anything close. He was never a darling. He was simply a guy people were willing to live so that the team could spend money on actual players. I was actually one of his bigger supporters on the board, but I never envisioned an OF of Dubois, Hollandsworth, Burnitz and Patterson. Dubois was just a body to fill a spot. Had they gone after a real corner OF, perhaps they could have lived with Dubois numbers. As it turns out, he never even came close to fulfilling the rather small expectations people actually had for him.
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I'm not all that opposed to Pie leading off. I'd like him around the 7th spot, if only to remove pressure and expectations from the fans, who would interpret Pie in the leadoff spot as needing to be great right off the bat. I am completely undecided on Pie. I wouldn't be upset if they traded him for value, but I think if he's on the roster, they pretty much have to go with him in center. Putting him at leadoff is a risk, but it's not an insanely huge risk. If he struggles, it's not like you have to give him 725 PA atop the lineup, which would hurt the team. You can still keep playing him after bumping him down. Plus, it would be a way to get a lefty near the top, assuming Fukudome hits 3rd or 4th (Hendry spoke of needing a LH bat to breakup Lee and Ramirez, so I assume that is where he'll bat). Pie Lee Fukudome Ramirez Soriano DeRosa Soto Theriot wouldn't kill me.
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I like the idea of Cameron, but if you trade Pie, who plays CF for 25 games? I don't think it's likely they put Fukudome there for the start and then move him back. Even with Pie, Marmol, Marshall (which is a decent deal), that's not enough if the Reds are offering Bailey and Hamilton as has been rumored. My impression of the Reds farm system is that it is extremely top heavy (but awesome at the top). Whereas we have quanity over quality, with much of the more intriguing players in the lower levels. What I'm trying to get at is that given the 40 man roster crunch, we might be able to throw in a few non-40 man guys that MacPhail could be very interested in that might put us over the edge in comparison to the Reds. The 40 man roster crunch also makes it more intriguing to go after 1-2 blue chippers rather than settle for 3-4 second rate guys.
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there's nothing worth paying attention to
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The Untouchable Sam Fuld? I hear his poop is considered currency in Argentina. That doesn't sound all that intriguing to me (the Fuld in CF for 25 games thing, not the poop money part).
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I'm all for speaking the truth to Hendry's incompetence as GM, but I can't comprehend why this is an issue. There's no logic behind the notion that Hendry needed to cut loose Wood, or Prior for that matter, in order to somehow move forward. Kerry Wood is an asset to the ballclub. No sane GM just cuts assets loose.
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I like the idea of Cameron, but if you trade Pie, who plays CF for 25 games? I don't think it's likely they put Fukudome there for the start and then move him back.
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That reads like a preliminary listing to me. Fukudome's contract details are pretty spotty compared to the others listed on that page. I wouldn't worry about it until more information on the agreement is made available. During the conference call to announce the signing, Joe Urbon stated that Fukudome would be in Chicago for a least the next four years, and no mention was made of an out clause after three. It took a while for things like Ramirez's original out clause to become public knowledge, it wouldn't surprise me at all if this sort of clause existed without being reported until after the official signing. With reports that Hendry was toying with the idea of going up to 5 years at $15m per year, and his obvious tendency to hand out player friendly clauses and highly backloaded deals, I think this could be a realistic scenario. But obviously the details aren't fully available right now.
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yeah, my favorite part about yet another terrible game from him is that they kept playing the citizen eco drive commercials that said something like "eli manning is unstoppable, just like the citizen eco drive." right! Unstoppable. Eli Manning is. And so is his citizen eco drive watch. I love that there is a huge Eli citizen echo billboard in Philly, off 95 I believe. Last night wasn't really his fault though. Winds were crazy, and he was hitting hands and shoulder pads all night. Giant receivers were awful. Yesterday I was a Jets, Miami and Philly fan, so I enjoyed 2 out of the 3 games. Having the Jets cover on the easiest bet of the week (why were people insisting New England would win by 40 even when it became obvious the weather would be terrible, as early as Thursday?) was almost a moral victory. The Miami win was a lot of fun. I enjoyed pausing it when the big fat man in the stands held up a sign that just said, "HUGE", and again when the server in Huizinga's box was picking her ear.
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Edmonds heading to SD
jersey cubs fan replied to UK1679666180's topic in MLB Draft, International Signings, Amateur Baseball
I'm not sure a thread about getting rid of Edmonds is the right place to talk about them getting worse. This move probably makes them better, addition by subtraction. And I'm not sure who I'd rather see on the Cards, slappy or Rolen.... Rolen could be real bad hobbling through the last few years of his contract. That said... I think we can agree its going to be fun how bad they should be... 4th or 5th in the division seems a given. Yepper, paying $1m for the concussed one to play for somebody else is better than paying $8m for Jimmy to stink it up for them for 100 games. -
That would make sense, considering all reports said he only wanted a 3 year deal, but then why sign him to a 4 year deal at all? Strange. That language suggests the contract is actually a 3 year $48 million for all practical purposes. If "before 2011" means there is a deadline of December 31, 2010 to sign him to an extension, and they don't extend him by then, they would have to "release him", which requires them to still pay him the money. In a sense, that's just an extremely backloaded deal that will pay him $12m, $12m and $24m, in 2008, 2009 and 2010. It will be in Fukudome's best interest to not sign an extension, take the last $12m owed to him for 2011, and go through free agency in the winter of 2010/2011. It doesn't say anything about voidable years, or an opt out by the player. "Before 2011", "release him" and "free agent" are the key words. The way it's presented on the website, if it's accurate, would mean the Cubs are going to have to offer him a fairly large extension in 2010 to have any hopes of keeping him and not losing him. Although one thing that would be confusing is how the waiver system would work in any such release. Could a team claim him and then get their own window to negotiate an extension, removing the financial obligation for that "release money" from the Cubs.?
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Who is the 4th?
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I'm sad about it. I think it was a mistake. But I just don't have the energy to be angry about it. I think it's just so much drama that's gone into the whole Prior thing, that while I'm upset about the decision, there's still a certain amount of relief that it's over. That's how I feel about it too, which is why I provided sad and angry as separate choices. I see the people who are happy about it are finally starting to crawl out of the woodwork. :D Me too, I was more or less resigned to it. I didn't even react when I turned on the TV and saw it on the ticker.
