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In the unlikely event that we're able to pull off that deal for that package, I will voluntarily go on a one month Jim Hendry criticism embargo. That's not a light package. Murton is the Cubs 3rd best OF at this point and best RH bat not being paid at least 12M for this season. Gallagher may be the Cubs 5th best starter. Patterson, admittedly, doesn't have much value unless he can handle 2B adequately. Not saying that it's too much, but it's far from robbery. Roberts for two seasons at a very friendly price, then let him walk for two high draft choices. An excellent deal. I like Sean Gallagher, but a good farm system should be able to pop out a Gallagher every couple of seasons. Roberts seems like the type to accept arbitration, being that he won't get much of a raise if he hits the market, so I don't know that you can count on those picks, even if he is a type A. And yeah, I'd do the deal, but it's a far cry from the Aramis trade. Thankfully it's a far cry from the Pierre trade too. Unless Roberts is horrible as a Cub over the next two seasons, there's essentially zero chance he would accept an offer of arbitration. Yeah, even if he isn't able to secure a significant per season raise with a new contract, he's not going to choose to play on a one year deal at age 32, when he could sign a 3-5 year contract that guarantees him so much more money. -
Do we need more moves?
jersey cubs fan replied to Tim's topic in MLB Draft, International Signings, Amateur Baseball
Man, you sure do love Carlos Silva. -
What was best for ARod was getting out of NY. Boras could have gotten him that. But Alex did end up with as big a contract as anybody could have realistically imagined.
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Dave Littlefield to the Cubs (as a scout)
jersey cubs fan replied to GoCubsGo1679625768's topic in Chicago Cubs Talk
The Peter Principle at its finest. I used to think the same was true with Hendry. I liked him as the minor league guy, back when I thought the system was very good. But when all was said and done, it didn't produce much under Jim. -
I don't like being grouped with 40 year olds. Most surveys I see give me the option for 25-35.
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Brian Roberts admits to steroid use
jersey cubs fan replied to don_kessinger_was_good's topic in Chicago Cubs Talk
Not even with HGH? Seems to me like that's how the snake oil salesmen got these dudes to buy it. The stock answer has been, "I used HGH once or twice for rehab purposes only, and never used steroids for performance purposes." I don't buy it. Sure, they were probably sold on the rehab benefits of the stuff, but these aren't just a bunch of innocent country bumpkins being misled by those snake oil salesmen. Although now I was just reminded of the most asinine defense of these guys by a couple stooges on espn radio last night. Michael Kay was the voice of reason more or less saying what truffleshuffle said above, but a couple ex-jocks on the broadcast were throwing out strawman after strawman to try and discredit the story. One guy, said, "What's the difference between this report and me saying Michael Kay is a heroin addict?" And they said these freaks of nature can't be users because Ironhead Heyward could lift 400 lbs without ever going to gym and exercising. -
I thought the Goldman Sachs guys negotiated his deal.
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Do we need more moves?
jersey cubs fan replied to Tim's topic in MLB Draft, International Signings, Amateur Baseball
Except the Cubs have no business merely being "pretty hopeful". There's no excuse for such a high payroll and such weak competition to leave you with anything short of extreme confidence that the team is great. -
Brian Roberts admits to steroid use
jersey cubs fan replied to don_kessinger_was_good's topic in Chicago Cubs Talk
I don't know. I just don't see it escalating much further from here as far as lists and whatnot. Congress acted as a way to twist some arms and get baseball to police itself. That has happened. -
Sorry, that is not the case: From the facts we have its safe to conclude that this was a mutual decision, IMO. The Cubs did not want the risk, Prior did not want to play for the Cubs for any longer for whatever his reasons are. I wish we had him back, but I get why the Cubs made the decision they did. It makes sense on both sides, IMO. Sorry, but you're wrong. The Cubs made the decision not to offer arbitration. That's the only fact that matters. The story that they couldn't get Prior to agree to what was undoubtedly an extremely team friendly contract does not make it a mutual decision. If I offer $20,000 for a Mercedes and they don't take it, that doesn't make it a mutual decision.
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I don't think this changes anything from Hendry's side. The asking price might go down slightly, though. As a man who made his money as a defense lawyer and representing labor, it's hard to determine how Angelos will react to Roberts' perhaps unnecessary admission. Angelos was the lone owner to speak out against the Mitchell report. It's possible he could feel betrayed by Roberts validating the report. It's possible he could feel more attached to the player's "integrity". I wouldn't count on this lowering his price though.
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why would he feel any obligation not to go to the team he feels he fits best? why is it classless to go elsewhere in the division? It's a slap in the face to the Cubs fans that idolized him. You know the people that paid for the tickets, bought his jersey, etc. The city of Chicago and Cubs fans made him rich - and we've been waiting (and paying) for a long time for him to get healthy. If he wanted to repay a little bit of what he's been given by all of us he could have taken a two-year incentive laden deal. How about a little loyalty? If he comes back in the 2nd half of 08 pitching for another team in the same division it only magnifies things. Take your smug expressions and get out of town Mark. It's times like this that I'd really like to ignore the board rules and regulations, or just get myself banned from this website. But I'm trying Ringo, I'm trying really hard...............................
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Brian Roberts admits to steroid use
jersey cubs fan replied to don_kessinger_was_good's topic in Chicago Cubs Talk
I can't speak to Roberts since I haven't seen the story, but I don't think Pettitte gets any credit for his "admission." He gets credit in my mind only so far as he didn't deny it. Same with Vina. Vina's story was so weak though that I didn't buy a word of it. He was trying to admit it while dodging responsibility for it the whole time. I don't buy any of the "it was just for rehab" stories. And frankly, I don't buy Roberts "only once" story. Maybe one cycle, but I doubt he went through the trouble of getting an injection, and then stopped right there. It's an "I didn't inhale" excuse. Although I really don't blame any of these guys for not being 100% truthful about it. It's got to be embarrassing. -
It's not all about 2008 though. If Pie gets that experience, he likely will be a better value than Murton by 09 (hit a little worse, but as long as it's only a little worse playing a tougher position with better defense will make up for that). Then of course there's the fact that Fukudome doesn't really want to play CF consistently. I think that's the debate. Many think Pie will do nothing with the bat. If that's the case, he wouldn't be a better value than Murton. Murton remains valuable as long as he's relatively "poorly" compensated and still hitting better than average. The Cubs probably only have 2008 and 2009 to take advantage of those years for Murton. Pie has more time where that should be the case. Also, I'm not sure it's a fact that Fukudome doesn't want to play CF consistently. And frankly, I don't think it should matter. Mega bucks Soriano was moved all over the OF, and he was a question at all three positions. If Fukudome can play CF, then the Cubs should play him there if it allows them to field a better lineup.
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The same argument can be made for the decision on whether or not to replace the guaranteed mediocre proven veteran with the unknown prospect. Obviously we could always end up worse, but the goal isn't to tread water. The goal is to win the world series, and the best chance you have of doing that is fielding a great team year-in and year-out. Hendry has proven he can't do that.
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Dubois hype didn't compare to Soto. People didn't want Hollandsworth getting playing time over him because Todd was the mediocre veteran that was a known quantity, while Dubois was the unknown, not because they were convinced he was the next big thing. There were expectations for Dubois to do better than he eventually did, but it was not what is being portrayed here.
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Actually he got a 3 year $8m contract. Crazy. Well, maybe not.
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Ideally, I would agree he's not meant for the job. However, it's not like the Cubs have some perfect leadoff candidate he'd be holding back. And it's not like this is Juan Pierre and the Cubs are foolishly overpaying for a stereotypical leadoff man. It's not even Corey Patterson, where they tried to turn somebody whose game relied almost exclusively on power into a bunter. If he puts up a terrible OBP, I would assume they move him out of the spot anyway. In 2005 he drew 16 BB in 262 AA plate appearances. Since then he's drawn 65 in 873 AAA PA. Not good, but better. Who knows, maybe he pulls a Jose Reyes and actually manages to pull it off despite less than ideal leadoff skills.
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Or most. stupid delayed response
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I mostly agree. I'm not in love with any Cubs prospects, and don't consider any of them close to untouchable. I do believe you have to develop, and keep, some of your own players in order to maintain a quality roster over time. You can't always trade prospects for proven talent. But I'd have no problem with the Cubs trading any of these guys for legit production from a real position. Garland for Karchner = bad Choi for Lee = good
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A) One Zambrano for every five Dubois is probably an excellenct ratio. B) You could not have possibly seen people say we can't possibly trading Dubois. It just never happened. The revisionist history of Dubois has gotten out of control. Dubois was never a big time prospect that everybody loved. Dubois was a guy some people thought could be halfway decent if they had 2 other solid outfielders to play alongside him. He was never an untouchable or anything close. He was never a darling. He was simply a guy people were willing to live so that the team could spend money on actual players. I was actually one of his bigger supporters on the board, but I never envisioned an OF of Dubois, Hollandsworth, Burnitz and Patterson. Dubois was just a body to fill a spot. Had they gone after a real corner OF, perhaps they could have lived with Dubois numbers. As it turns out, he never even came close to fulfilling the rather small expectations people actually had for him.
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I'm not all that opposed to Pie leading off. I'd like him around the 7th spot, if only to remove pressure and expectations from the fans, who would interpret Pie in the leadoff spot as needing to be great right off the bat. I am completely undecided on Pie. I wouldn't be upset if they traded him for value, but I think if he's on the roster, they pretty much have to go with him in center. Putting him at leadoff is a risk, but it's not an insanely huge risk. If he struggles, it's not like you have to give him 725 PA atop the lineup, which would hurt the team. You can still keep playing him after bumping him down. Plus, it would be a way to get a lefty near the top, assuming Fukudome hits 3rd or 4th (Hendry spoke of needing a LH bat to breakup Lee and Ramirez, so I assume that is where he'll bat). Pie Lee Fukudome Ramirez Soriano DeRosa Soto Theriot wouldn't kill me.
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I like the idea of Cameron, but if you trade Pie, who plays CF for 25 games? I don't think it's likely they put Fukudome there for the start and then move him back. Even with Pie, Marmol, Marshall (which is a decent deal), that's not enough if the Reds are offering Bailey and Hamilton as has been rumored. My impression of the Reds farm system is that it is extremely top heavy (but awesome at the top). Whereas we have quanity over quality, with much of the more intriguing players in the lower levels. What I'm trying to get at is that given the 40 man roster crunch, we might be able to throw in a few non-40 man guys that MacPhail could be very interested in that might put us over the edge in comparison to the Reds. The 40 man roster crunch also makes it more intriguing to go after 1-2 blue chippers rather than settle for 3-4 second rate guys.
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there's nothing worth paying attention to
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The Untouchable Sam Fuld? I hear his poop is considered currency in Argentina. That doesn't sound all that intriguing to me (the Fuld in CF for 25 games thing, not the poop money part).
