BigSlick

I think this is a product of the era he played in. Regardless of whether or not you think Sheffield took steroids, the fact remains that this is an offensive era and stats that would guarantee a person to be a first ballot HOFer don't mean as much anymore. I think Sheffield will get in, I just don't think he'll be a first ballot HOFer. When players from this era start becoming eligible for the Hall, it will be interesting to see how the votes go. One thing that bothers me about Sheff, and may not for the rest of you, or the Hall, is that he's somewhat of a journeyman. The Yanks are, I believe, his 7th professional team, and I dunno... I just romanticize the day when people actually played for one team most of their career. Thats how most HOF'ers are anyway.

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akljasdf;jkasdnasldfnsadkljnf freddie bynum can't even get the ball over the infield, heck, out of the catchers mitt. Nice job. I'm just rooting for the cubs when zambrano is pitching. by my logic, he can win the cy young, and they can lose every other game.

I'm glad they are scoring runs for Zambrano. He's the only one who deserves it. :lol:

And the Cubs have the lead!

W00T! I WAS RIGHT

Jones and Aram next? For shame if they dont get a run.

Yay!

Bynum and Neifi Perez on the field at the same time creates a negative run vortex that sucks everyone in.

You know your a cubs fan when no one complains with this lineup.

actually nevermind.

I don't know, but he's riding pine on my fantasy league right now. :lol:

You should add a level above White Sox World Series... Cardinals World Series...(although we know it'll never happen, gotta love those chokers! :lol: )

I think Giambi makes it before Sheffield.

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But even the people that think he's older realize that at most he's 28. That means he likely has at least 7 more years to torment the NL Central barring injury. Our only hope is that the Yankees somehow offer him $35 million per season. Probably more than 10. He's the type of anti-Cub player that'll just keep ticking and ticking forever. (Like Brett Favre as the anti-Bear) I dunno if this has been mentioned...but what about Dontrelle Willis + Cabrera for Zambrano-somebody and some minor leaguers (Pie, buncha others) Whoa, ever thought about THAT. I dunno.....

that's what it says on their world series trophies probably - you kids are a disgrace. this is a discussion about 2006. I wouldn't call the Marlins awful. And they are a whole lot more fun to watch than the Cubs right now. Those kids are playing for their major league careers and they are all getting quality major league experience that will be quite beneficial when Florida adds role players to turn the team into another potential World Series champion in a small handful of years. You wouldn't want Hanley Ramirez, Jeremy Hermida, Josh Willingham, Dan Uggla on your team? While the Cubs continue spinning their wheels in mediocrity, Florida will rebuild and crush the Cubs in a few years. Heck, they're crushing the Cubs now. They aren't going to make much noise w/ that itty bitty budget of their's. Florida might not even win 50 games this year. The Cubs are probably in for a poor season, but Lee's return should push them over 70 wins, at least. If Prior's back, 75+. Woohoo. :) What? Thats not even good. Thats like saying you'll settle for 7-9 every season with your football team. Its better than being 4-12 right? Well except that 4-12 team might turn it around the next year and win the Super Bowl. I'd rather we bomb and get a better draft pick, shake up the organization...drop some players...etc. Being mediocre is exactly whats wrong with this team. And fans, like you, who are happy with a 70 win season is exactly what we don't need. What you failed to mention is dropping down to a $15 million budget. Baker might win 1 game out of 162 w/ that. I'm confused...shouldn't they be commended for doing so much with so little? no. they should leave florida. ok leaving now. :) Yet they arguably have a brighter future with a 15 million dollar payroll than the Cubs and their 95 million. I find it interesting how we can come to completely different conclusions from this discussion. Amazing how the human mind works. I trust you'll read this later: The Marlins are going to be horrid this year. I'd be very surprised if they get 60 wins. However, they likely will have the rookie of the year on their team, and have positively robbed some teams (The Cubs, The Red Sox....etc.) of some very promising prospects. The point is. They are spending 15 million dollars...their fans are pissed...they are going to be terrible this year - yet their future is much brighter than the Cubs'. They have some sort of direction. They've done this before, and if they stay in Florida...they likely will do it again. They will stock up, reload, and take another shot at the postseason. The Cubs will keep spinning in the toilet of 65-85 wins...either because our manager can't force himself to pull the trigger, or because they just truly don't care about winning a championship.

Does that count for OBP?

that's what it says on their world series trophies probably - you kids are a disgrace. this is a discussion about 2006. I wouldn't call the Marlins awful. And they are a whole lot more fun to watch than the Cubs right now. Those kids are playing for their major league careers and they are all getting quality major league experience that will be quite beneficial when Florida adds role players to turn the team into another potential World Series champion in a small handful of years. You wouldn't want Hanley Ramirez, Jeremy Hermida, Josh Willingham, Dan Uggla on your team? While the Cubs continue spinning their wheels in mediocrity, Florida will rebuild and crush the Cubs in a few years. Heck, they're crushing the Cubs now. They aren't going to make much noise w/ that itty bitty budget of their's. Florida might not even win 50 games this year. The Cubs are probably in for a poor season, but Lee's return should push them over 70 wins, at least. If Prior's back, 75+. Woohoo. :) What? Thats not even good. Thats like saying you'll settle for 7-9 every season with your football team. Its better than being 4-12 right? Well except that 4-12 team might turn it around the next year and win the Super Bowl. I'd rather we bomb and get a better draft pick, shake up the organization...drop some players...etc. Being mediocre is exactly whats wrong with this team. And fans, like you, who are happy with a 70 win season is exactly what we don't need. What you failed to mention is dropping down to a $15 million budget. Baker might win 1 game out of 162 w/ that. I'm confused...shouldn't they be commended for doing so much with so little?

yes. perhaps they should just lose every game tho.. :? Why?

:shock: Evidently if we make the second out in the 8th inning (which is and of itself not a given) we also finish off the game, and beat those pansy Yankees. We know how weak a team they usually field. :roll:

that's what it says on their world series trophies probably - you kids are a disgrace. this is a discussion about 2006. I wouldn't call the Marlins awful. And they are a whole lot more fun to watch than the Cubs right now. Those kids are playing for their major league careers and they are all getting quality major league experience that will be quite beneficial when Florida adds role players to turn the team into another potential World Series champion in a small handful of years. You wouldn't want Hanley Ramirez, Jeremy Hermida, Josh Willingham, Dan Uggla on your team? While the Cubs continue spinning their wheels in mediocrity, Florida will rebuild and crush the Cubs in a few years. Heck, they're crushing the Cubs now. Its really the only way (and the best way) for the team to eventually field a championship contender. They trade away all their quality veterans they no longer can pay for, stock up on young talent, groom 'em, and when its all set and ready, stock up on some free agent role players and make a run. Its allowed them to steal away 2 World Series trophies in little over a decade of existence. Considering how small market the team is, its pretty darn impressive. It certainly is more impressive than the wheel of mediocrity that is turned every year here in Chicago. Every year we trade away promising talent from our farm system, stock up on mediocre free agents over the hill and past a prime that wasn't...and well, you know the rest. The Cubs were a Bartman interference away from taking it in 2003. Huzienga spent like a fiend in 1997. Iirc they spent like crazy on free agents. The Trib would never allow that. They took their shot. They saw they were on the brink, and pushed themselves over the edge. Bartman or not, they won the World Series after beating us and the Yankees. You can't steal the trophy away from them. The Cubs will never win because this organization is too afraid of pulling the trigger. (I.E. taking an actual risk instead of risking oh so much more on terrible players)

that's what it says on their world series trophies probably - you kids are a disgrace. this is a discussion about 2006. I wouldn't call the Marlins awful. And they are a whole lot more fun to watch than the Cubs right now. Those kids are playing for their major league careers and they are all getting quality major league experience that will be quite beneficial when Florida adds role players to turn the team into another potential World Series champion in a small handful of years. You wouldn't want Hanley Ramirez, Jeremy Hermida, Josh Willingham, Dan Uggla on your team? While the Cubs continue spinning their wheels in mediocrity, Florida will rebuild and crush the Cubs in a few years. Heck, they're crushing the Cubs now. They aren't going to make much noise w/ that itty bitty budget of their's. Florida might not even win 50 games this year. The Cubs are probably in for a poor season, but Lee's return should push them over 70 wins, at least. If Prior's back, 75+. Woohoo. :) What? Thats not even good. Thats like saying you'll settle for 7-9 every season with your football team. Its better than being 4-12 right? Well except that 4-12 team might turn it around the next year and win the Super Bowl. I'd rather we bomb and get a better draft pick, shake up the organization...drop some players...etc. Being mediocre is exactly whats wrong with this team. And fans, like you, who are happy with a 70 win season is exactly what we don't need.

Me and my friends were high-fiving about our off-season earlier in the year. We were so innocent then...

that's what it says on their world series trophies probably - you kids are a disgrace. this is a discussion about 2006. I wouldn't call the Marlins awful. And they are a whole lot more fun to watch than the Cubs right now. Those kids are playing for their major league careers and they are all getting quality major league experience that will be quite beneficial when Florida adds role players to turn the team into another potential World Series champion in a small handful of years. You wouldn't want Hanley Ramirez, Jeremy Hermida, Josh Willingham, Dan Uggla on your team? While the Cubs continue spinning their wheels in mediocrity, Florida will rebuild and crush the Cubs in a few years. Heck, they're crushing the Cubs now. Its really the only way (and the best way) for the team to eventually field a championship contender. They trade away all their quality veterans they no longer can pay for, stock up on young talent, groom 'em, and when its all set and ready, stock up on some free agent role players and make a run. Its allowed them to steal away 2 World Series trophies in little over a decade of existence. Considering how small market the team is, its pretty darn impressive. It certainly is more impressive than the wheel of mediocrity that is turned every year here in Chicago. Every year we trade away promising talent from our farm system, stock up on mediocre free agents over the hill and past a prime that wasn't...and well, you know the rest.