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[abuck1220]

Unfreakin believable. The Stros are offering Backe and that's "aggressive"? We can offer more than that. DO IT JIM!!!!

 

williams + novoa/wuertz probably isn't as good as backe + qualls...but if the cubs throw in both novoa and wuertz (or perhaps ohman, who i think is expendable) + prospects, they could match/beat houston's offer.

 

if the phils are looking for something along the lines of clement + trot, i don't know if the cubs can put together a similar package.

[Drew Doughty]

Ugh, I hate Harold Reynolds.

 

Well, jesus, these teams that are building for now AREN'T GOING TO BE THERE WHEN THE MARLINS GET GOOD AGAIN! That's 4 years away smart guy. Ravech, who isn't a brain surgeon himself, just went over this 2 seconds ago.

 

I don't think Reynolds even reads what he's supposed to anymore.

 

Ugh.

[hawkeyecub]

Unfreakin believable. The Stros are offering Backe and that's "aggressive"? We can offer more than that. DO IT JIM!!!!

 

williams + novoa/wuertz probably isn't as good as backe + qualls...but if the cubs throw in both novoa and wuertz (or perhaps ohman, who i think is expendable) + prospects, they could match/beat houston's offer.

 

if the phils are looking for something along the lines of clement + trot, i don't know if the cubs can put together a similar package.

 

That's what I was thinking. We can't match Trot + Clement, but we could probably match Backe + Qualls. What I couldn't figure out was when Stark said that Trot + Clement may not be enough.

 

I still can't figure out why they have Reynolds and Kruk hosting this thing. After Kurkjian said the Marlins are doing a better job of rebuilding with this fire sale than they did after '97, Reynolds said no way. His reasoning was that Lee, Lowell, Looper, Preston Wilson were all franchise type players. None of these guys have proven anything yet besides minor league numbers. Hmmm, Harold, did you forget that most of those guys hadn't proven much at the point the Marlins acquired them also?

[RynoRules]

Unfreakin believable. The Stros are offering Backe and that's "aggressive"? We can offer more than that. DO IT JIM!!!!

 

williams + novoa/wuertz probably isn't as good as backe + qualls...but if the cubs throw in both novoa and wuertz (or perhaps ohman, who i think is expendable) + prospects, they could match/beat houston's offer.

 

if the phils are looking for something along the lines of clement + trot, i don't know if the cubs can put together a similar package.

 

You could be right re that Sox deal. But I think we can exceed Backe and Qualls with room to spare, and if they don't want it, go knock on the Reds' door and bring me Dunn.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

If the Astros are pursuing Abreu this strongly, I'm starting to think Clemens isn't coming back next season. The Astros have 64 million tied up in five players: Pettitte (17.5 million), Bagwell (17 million), Oswalt (11 million), Berkman (14.5 million) and Biggio (4 million). The Astros played with a payroll around 87 million last season. Adding Abreu's 13 million would have the Astros at 77 million and that wouldn't include Lidge, Ensberg, and Everett. I don't see them fitting Clemens in there as well unless McClain plans to spend a good deal more this season.

 

If the Astros trade for Abreu without getting any salary relief, I believe it signals Clemens's retirement.

[goonys evil twin]

Unfreakin believable. The Stros are offering Backe and that's "aggressive"? We can offer more than that. DO IT JIM!!!!

 

williams + novoa/wuertz probably isn't as good as backe + qualls...but if the cubs throw in both novoa and wuertz (or perhaps ohman, who i think is expendable) + prospects, they could match/beat houston's offer.

 

if the phils are looking for something along the lines of clement + trot, i don't know if the cubs can put together a similar package.

 

That's what I was thinking. We can't match Trot + Clement, but we could probably match Backe + Qualls. What I couldn't figure out was when Stark said that Trot + Clement may not be enough.

 

Trot is a platoon guy in the OF right now. He can't hit lefties, at all, and he hasn't been a full time starter for a full season since 2002. The Cubs don't have an exact replica, but Walker would give him a run for his money in terms of production (unfortunately, they don't need a 2B, but they do need 3B) and he's significantly cheaper. Likewise, Clement is an extremely expensive average pitcher. Yes, we all know he has the stuff, but we have to stop pretending he's a top of the rotation starter. Again, I think Jerome Williams compares favorably to Matt. No, he doesn't have the same stuff, but, from what I can tell, his ERA+ is right there, his career ERA compares favorably. And it's not like you can give Clement the nod on durability either, as he's failed to throw 200 innings for 2 straight years, and he's maddeningly inconsistent.

 

If you can tie in a 3rd team, I see no reason why you can't throw together Walker (going to the 3rd team - who would send similar value back to Philly), Williams, Mitre, Wuertz/Novoa and a prospect and be considered along a Nixon/Clement deal. Philly saves money with the Cubs offer, gets, at worst, a slight downgrade in pitcher quality, but a significant upgrade in quantity, and fills multiple holes.

 

3 team deal

Cubs get:

Abreu

Soriano

 

Philly gets:

Williams

Mitre (sinker in Philly is a must)

Wuertz/Novoa

Mench/Dellucci

 

Texas gets:

Walker

Matt Craig

Cubs pitching prospect

 

Texas frees payroll, gets similar production from 2B, might need more from Cubs pitching depth.

Philly frees payroll, fills rotation spots with cheap innings eaters, fills a bullpen spot and gets a decent OF bat.

Cubs fill RF hole, replace Walker's production with similar bat, take on salary and free up some 40 man roster space.

[E.J.]

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[YearofDaCubs]

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[E.J.]

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I'll try. Gammons just said the A's aren't going to trade for Bradley and they aren't going to deal Zito to the Dodgers, but they are trying to sign Frank Thomas. That's a surprise.

[E.J.]

-Two team race for Trevor Hoffman between the Indians and the Padres. The Indians are miles ahead of the Padres though for his services.

 

-Mentioned in passing the Prior for Abreu article and basically laughed it off. Said it would never happen.

 

-Talked at length about AJ Burnett. Burnett has a clause in his new contract with the Blue Jays that he can opt out of his contract after 3 years if he wants to. Toronto had to overpay for him because players don’t want to go to Toronto.

[hawkeyecub]

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I'll try. Gammons just said the A's aren't going to trade for Bradley and they aren't going to deal Zito to the Dodgers, but they are trying to sign Frank Thomas. That's a surprise.

 

 

Nice.

[Neuby]

Unfreakin believable. The Stros are offering Backe and that's "aggressive"? We can offer more than that. DO IT JIM!!!!

 

williams + novoa/wuertz probably isn't as good as backe + qualls...but if the cubs throw in both novoa and wuertz (or perhaps ohman, who i think is expendable) + prospects, they could match/beat houston's offer.

 

if the phils are looking for something along the lines of clement + trot, i don't know if the cubs can put together a similar package.

 

That's what I was thinking. We can't match Trot + Clement, but we could probably match Backe + Qualls. What I couldn't figure out was when Stark said that Trot + Clement may not be enough.

 

Trot is a platoon guy in the OF right now. He can't hit lefties, at all, and he hasn't been a full time starter for a full season since 2002. The Cubs don't have an exact replica, but Walker would give him a run for his money in terms of production (unfortunately, they don't need a 2B, but they do need 3B) and he's significantly cheaper. Likewise, Clement is an extremely expensive average pitcher. Yes, we all know he has the stuff, but we have to stop pretending he's a top of the rotation starter. Again, I think Jerome Williams compares favorably to Matt. No, he doesn't have the same stuff, but, from what I can tell, his ERA+ is right there, his career ERA compares favorably. And it's not like you can give Clement the nod on durability either, as he's failed to throw 200 innings for 2 straight years, and he's maddeningly inconsistent.

 

If you can tie in a 3rd team, I see no reason why you can't throw together Walker (going to the 3rd team - who would send similar value back to Philly), Williams, Mitre, Wuertz/Novoa and a prospect and be considered along a Nixon/Clement deal. Philly saves money with the Cubs offer, gets, at worst, a slight downgrade in pitcher quality, but a significant upgrade in quantity, and fills multiple holes.

 

3 team deal

Cubs get:

Abreu

Soriano

 

Philly gets:

Williams

Mitre (sinker in Philly is a must)

Wuertz/Novoa

Mench/Dellucci

 

Texas gets:

Walker

Matt Craig

Cubs pitching prospect

 

Texas frees payroll, gets similar production from 2B, might need more from Cubs pitching depth.

Philly frees payroll, fills rotation spots with cheap innings eaters, fills a bullpen spot and gets a decent OF bat.

Cubs fill RF hole, replace Walker's production with similar bat, take on salary and free up some 40 man roster space.

 

I think Texas needs to get a lot more in that deal your probably looking at Patterson goinng to them in that deal also.

[Andy]

Gammons is now saying that the only uniform Clemens will wear in 2006, should he play, is Houston's. Also said that he's 'only coming back if Ausmus is', which is interesting.

[E.J.]

-Clemen’s agent said if Clemens had to make a decision today he would retire. We’ll find out soon enough. Astros are handcuffed waiting for Clemens’ decision. They can’t do anything until he decides. They are wondering if they should offer him arbitration before Thursday. Basically, right now the Astros are sitting on their hands doing nothing while they wait until Clemens makes his decision. Gammons said if he comes back he’ll only come back to play for the Astros. With all the arbitration eligible players the Astros payroll will be around $90 million. If Clemens comes back they will be over $100. Doesn't sound too good for the Astros.

[hawkeyecub]

Gammons said the Reds are talking to the Cubs and some AL teams about Kearns. He thinks they'll move some guys to get young pitching, so the Cubs would be a good fit.

[Andy]

Gammons says that the Cubs could easily land Kearns due to all their young pitchers in the minor league system. Wily Mo Pena rumored to be available, Gammons mentioned the Nats as a possible destination. Griffey is probably staying, Casey may stay.

[Blueheart05]

Gammons said the Reds are talking to the Cubs and some AL teams about Kearns. He thinks they'll move some guys to get young pitching, so the Cubs would be a good fit.

 

I don't agree with his "two or three" young pitchers for Kearns. Yes, low prospects maybe.

[Proven Veteran]

Not interested in Kearns.

[Blueheart05]

Prior's a risk??? Give me a break! How the heck is Prior a risk? :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: Edited December 6, 2005 by Blueheart05

[Andy]

Steve Phillips is right that we shouldn't give up Prior, but his rationale (White Sox just won with pitching) is out of whack. Phillips doesn't think Abreu for Prior is realistic for either side due to Prior's injuries.

[B]

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It's not worth relaying. They are complete idiots.

[da bears]

Does Steve Phillips, or anyone for that matter at ESPN, actually research what theyre talking about. What the hell does Prior have injury wise that is existing? If the Cubs trade Prior, by the way, I'm done with this team.

[abuck1220]

phillips says that prior is a bigger risk than burnett because burnett's had his problems 'fixed' and prior hasn't.

 

dumbest thing ever said on cable tv?

[CubbieSouthpaw]

Gammons said the Reds are talking to the Cubs and some AL teams about Kearns. He thinks they'll move some guys to get young pitching, so the Cubs would be a good fit.

 

I could handle Kearns and Bradley with Murton in left.

MLB/Home Plate is still saying that Bradley might be headed to the A's.

[sweetpeteman]

Steve Phillips is right that we shouldn't give up Prior, but his rationale (White Sox just won with pitching) is out of whack. Phillips doesn't think Abreu for Prior is realistic for either side due to Prior's injuries.

 

Harold Reynolds just got a bit of my respect for calling Phillips on that...