Phil Rogers is on the dope

[USSoccer]

I just tuned in for a minute to see what they were saying. They were talking about how Zito could cause trouble in the clubhouse because he's "such a weirdo" because he does yoga and crap. They also were talking about how Dusty couldn't control Pierzynski when they both were in San Francisco. Last I checked Dusty wasn't the manager when Pierzynski played for the Giants. Morans!!!!

 

Wow. That's just stupid. How could the 3rd biggest media market have so many bad sports journalists?

 

 

I wish Bruce Miles had his own show.

[Blueheart05]

Looks like the talk of trading Wood, hit a nerve in many posters.

 

Well, it's not really that. It's that people talk about trading Wood like it's easy. First off, he's coming fof a shoulder surgery. He doesn't have all that much value right now. Why would you trade low like that? Also, ignoring the NTC is stupid and lazy journalism. His wife is from Waukegan, they're expecting their first child, so why would he waive it and move his family to Texas?

 

That's what it is.

 

Exactly!

[CUBZ99]

Looks like the talk of trading Wood, hit a nerve in many posters.

 

Well, it's not really that. It's that people talk about trading Wood like it's easy. First off, he's coming fof a shoulder surgery. He doesn't have all that much value right now. Why would you trade low like that? Also, ignoring the NTC is stupid and lazy journalism. His wife is from Waukegan, they're expecting their first child, so why would he waive it and move his family to Texas?

 

That's what it is.

 

I just look at it as a trade rumor . No need to take shots at Phil Rogers or the Score, they are simply doing the same thing many of us do on the board everyday, which is to speculate or discuss trade ideas.

 

The idea of trading Wood to the Rangers is one that has been floating around for awhile, presumably because Wood is from Texas and Texas needs pitching.

[oldcubsfan]

Is anybody else listening to the Score? They just said the Cubs may have finally found a taker for Kerry Wood. Does this mean they have been actively shopping him in the offseason? They make it sound like more than just Phil Roger's fantasy.

 

Wonder if Bruce has the inside scoop?

 

Typical from the score, I just read the article and there is nothing in it about a trade. Phil says that the Cubs MAY make a pitch for Burnett, which would then possibly make Wood available. He's speculating on that, then it says Beane might be interested in Soriano and then the Cubs could possibly trade him for Zito. The damn score didn't even buy the paper!!

 

You read the article that's not in the paper until tomorrow :?: :!: :?: :!: :?:

 

Maybe where YOU live they don't sell the early edition of the Sunday paper on Saturday, he here in the big city, it comes out Saturday morning.

[USSoccer]

Looks like the talk of trading Wood, hit a nerve in many posters.

 

Well, it's not really that. It's that people talk about trading Wood like it's easy. First off, he's coming fof a shoulder surgery. He doesn't have all that much value right now. Why would you trade low like that? Also, ignoring the NTC is stupid and lazy journalism. His wife is from Waukegan, they're expecting their first child, so why would he waive it and move his family to Texas?

 

That's what it is.

 

I just look at it as a trade rumor . No need to take shots at Phil Rogers or the Score, they are simply doing the same thing many of us do on the board everyday, which is to speculate or discuss trade ideas.

 

The idea of trading Wood to the Rangers is one that has been floating around for awhile, presumably because Wood is from Texas and Texas needs pitching.

 

First, if you're going to speculate, do at least the bare minimum of research if you're hosting a radio show. That's what they are paid to do, and that's what should be expected of them. Next, just because Wood is from Texas and Texas needs pitching doesn't mean beans. Everyone needs pitching, and no one on our roster is from Chicago except for Hairston. Are there ill informed rumors about them?

 

People have had it out for Wood for a few years in this town. I'm not shocked that people would pick up on such an obviously stupid rumor and run with it, but professionals should know better than to spout ignorant and poorly educated opinions.

[UK1679666180]

I wouldn't exclude a trade with Texas, they have two cheaper and less productive options at two positions the Cubs need most right now (CF with Matthews Jr/Nix and Rf with Mench), but I can't see Wood as part of that equation.

 

I don't want any of those 3 players, but I wouldn't put it past the Cubs.

[CUBZ99]

Looks like the talk of trading Wood, hit a nerve in many posters.

 

Well, it's not really that. It's that people talk about trading Wood like it's easy. First off, he's coming fof a shoulder surgery. He doesn't have all that much value right now. Why would you trade low like that? Also, ignoring the NTC is stupid and lazy journalism. His wife is from Waukegan, they're expecting their first child, so why would he waive it and move his family to Texas?

 

That's what it is.

 

I just look at it as a trade rumor . No need to take shots at Phil Rogers or the Score, they are simply doing the same thing many of us do on the board everyday, which is to speculate or discuss trade ideas.

 

The idea of trading Wood to the Rangers is one that has been floating around for awhile, presumably because Wood is from Texas and Texas needs pitching.

 

First, if you're going to speculate, do at least the bare minimum of research if you're hosting a radio show. That's what they are paid to do, and that's what should be expected of them. Next, just because Wood is from Texas and Texas needs pitching doesn't mean beans. Everyone needs pitching, and no one on our roster is from Chicago except for Hairston. Are there ill informed rumors about them?

 

People have had it out for Wood for a few years in this town. I'm not shocked that people would pick up on such an obviously stupid rumor and run with it, but professionals should know better than to spout ignorant and poorly educated opinions.

 

Sorry, but I don't see this rumor as being any worse than some of the other garbage reported this off season. It is not beyond the realm of possibility that the Cubs are shopping Wood. If Wood has a NTC, they would have to at least send him to a team they thought he would accept a trade to (which Texas is probably one of them). BTW is Wood's trade clause a full no trade or a partial no trade?

[USSoccer]

Looks like the talk of trading Wood, hit a nerve in many posters.

 

Well, it's not really that. It's that people talk about trading Wood like it's easy. First off, he's coming fof a shoulder surgery. He doesn't have all that much value right now. Why would you trade low like that? Also, ignoring the NTC is stupid and lazy journalism. His wife is from Waukegan, they're expecting their first child, so why would he waive it and move his family to Texas?

 

That's what it is.

 

I just look at it as a trade rumor . No need to take shots at Phil Rogers or the Score, they are simply doing the same thing many of us do on the board everyday, which is to speculate or discuss trade ideas.

 

The idea of trading Wood to the Rangers is one that has been floating around for awhile, presumably because Wood is from Texas and Texas needs pitching.

 

First, if you're going to speculate, do at least the bare minimum of research if you're hosting a radio show. That's what they are paid to do, and that's what should be expected of them. Next, just because Wood is from Texas and Texas needs pitching doesn't mean beans. Everyone needs pitching, and no one on our roster is from Chicago except for Hairston. Are there ill informed rumors about them?

 

People have had it out for Wood for a few years in this town. I'm not shocked that people would pick up on such an obviously stupid rumor and run with it, but professionals should know better than to spout ignorant and poorly educated opinions.

 

Sorry, but I don't see this rumor as being any worse than some of the other garbage reported this off season. It is not beyond the realm of possibility that the Cubs are shopping Wood. If Wood has a NTC, they would have to at least send him to a team they thought he would accept a trade to (which Texas is probably one of them). BTW is Wood's trade clause a full no trade or a partial no trade?

 

As far as I know, it's a full NTC.

[oldcubsfan]

Looks like the talk of trading Wood, hit a nerve in many posters.

 

Well, it's not really that. It's that people talk about trading Wood like it's easy. First off, he's coming fof a shoulder surgery. He doesn't have all that much value right now. Why would you trade low like that? Also, ignoring the NTC is stupid and lazy journalism. His wife is from Waukegan, they're expecting their first child, so why would he waive it and move his family to Texas?

 

That's what it is.

 

I just look at it as a trade rumor . No need to take shots at Phil Rogers or the Score, they are simply doing the same thing many of us do on the board everyday, which is to speculate or discuss trade ideas.

 

The idea of trading Wood to the Rangers is one that has been floating around for awhile, presumably because Wood is from Texas and Texas needs pitching.

 

First, if you're going to speculate, do at least the bare minimum of research if you're hosting a radio show. That's what they are paid to do, and that's what should be expected of them. Next, just because Wood is from Texas and Texas needs pitching doesn't mean beans. Everyone needs pitching, and no one on our roster is from Chicago except for Hairston. Are there ill informed rumors about them?

 

People have had it out for Wood for a few years in this town. I'm not shocked that people would pick up on such an obviously stupid rumor and run with it, but professionals should know better than to spout ignorant and poorly educated opinions.

 

Sorry, but I don't see this rumor as being any worse than some of the other garbage reported this off season. It is not beyond the realm of possibility that the Cubs are shopping Wood. If Wood has a NTC, they would have to at least send him to a team they thought he would accept a trade to (which Texas is probably one of them). BTW is Wood's trade clause a full no trade or a partial no trade?

 

I think the main thing is the surgery. Why trade for someone if you don't even know if he can throw yet?

[CUBZ99]

Looks like the talk of trading Wood, hit a nerve in many posters.

 

Well, it's not really that. It's that people talk about trading Wood like it's easy. First off, he's coming fof a shoulder surgery. He doesn't have all that much value right now. Why would you trade low like that? Also, ignoring the NTC is stupid and lazy journalism. His wife is from Waukegan, they're expecting their first child, so why would he waive it and move his family to Texas?

 

That's what it is.

 

I just look at it as a trade rumor . No need to take shots at Phil Rogers or the Score, they are simply doing the same thing many of us do on the board everyday, which is to speculate or discuss trade ideas.

 

The idea of trading Wood to the Rangers is one that has been floating around for awhile, presumably because Wood is from Texas and Texas needs pitching.

 

First, if you're going to speculate, do at least the bare minimum of research if you're hosting a radio show. That's what they are paid to do, and that's what should be expected of them. Next, just because Wood is from Texas and Texas needs pitching doesn't mean beans. Everyone needs pitching, and no one on our roster is from Chicago except for Hairston. Are there ill informed rumors about them?

 

People have had it out for Wood for a few years in this town. I'm not shocked that people would pick up on such an obviously stupid rumor and run with it, but professionals should know better than to spout ignorant and poorly educated opinions.

 

Sorry, but I don't see this rumor as being any worse than some of the other garbage reported this off season. It is not beyond the realm of possibility that the Cubs are shopping Wood. If Wood has a NTC, they would have to at least send him to a team they thought he would accept a trade to (which Texas is probably one of them). BTW is Wood's trade clause a full no trade or a partial no trade?

 

I think the main thing is the surgery. Why trade for someone if you don't even know if he can throw yet?

 

Texas may be desperate for pitching, so much that they would take a chance with Wood at $6M. Don't forget according to the rumor they would actually get an upgrade at 2B.

[Blueheart05]

Looks like the talk of trading Wood, hit a nerve in many posters.

 

Well, it's not really that. It's that people talk about trading Wood like it's easy. First off, he's coming fof a shoulder surgery. He doesn't have all that much value right now. Why would you trade low like that? Also, ignoring the NTC is stupid and lazy journalism. His wife is from Waukegan, they're expecting their first child, so why would he waive it and move his family to Texas?

 

That's what it is.

 

I just look at it as a trade rumor . No need to take shots at Phil Rogers or the Score, they are simply doing the same thing many of us do on the board everyday, which is to speculate or discuss trade ideas.

 

The idea of trading Wood to the Rangers is one that has been floating around for awhile, presumably because Wood is from Texas and Texas needs pitching.

 

First, if you're going to speculate, do at least the bare minimum of research if you're hosting a radio show. That's what they are paid to do, and that's what should be expected of them. Next, just because Wood is from Texas and Texas needs pitching doesn't mean beans. Everyone needs pitching, and no one on our roster is from Chicago except for Hairston. Are there ill informed rumors about them?

 

People have had it out for Wood for a few years in this town. I'm not shocked that people would pick up on such an obviously stupid rumor and run with it, but professionals should know better than to spout ignorant and poorly educated opinions.

 

Sorry, but I don't see this rumor as being any worse than some of the other garbage reported this off season. It is not beyond the realm of possibility that the Cubs are shopping Wood. If Wood has a NTC, they would have to at least send him to a team they thought he would accept a trade to (which Texas is probably one of them). BTW is Wood's trade clause a full no trade or a partial no trade?

 

It is a full NTC for 2006 and that is the point. Lou Canelis said "send him anywhere that will take him." That's not how it works buddy! Even rumors have to be plausible.

[oldcubsfan]

What upgrade at 2nd? Walker? Don't think that is an upgrade.

[USSoccer]

If Texas wanted a Cubs pitcher in a trade, in order, it would probably go:

 

Z

Prior

Williams

Hill

Wood

 

Why would they trade players and take that kind of risk on Wood when they could trade the same players for a pitcher that's cheaper, will be there longer and is much less of an injury risk? Or, why wouldn't they throw money at Washburn or Weaver?

[E.J.]

The only good thing about getting Mench is that he has much better numbers during day games than night games. That's all I got. :shrug:

[CUBZ99]

What upgrade at 2nd? Walker? Don't think that is an upgrade.

 

It is certainly not much of a drop, I don't have the stats in front of me but i'm pretty certain Walker gets on base at a better clip than Soriano and their defense is probably equal.

[ConstableRabbit]

 

I wish Bruce Miles had his own show.

 

No one would listen because he wouldn't report bogus and "exciting" trade proposals.

 

The Score always has these stupid reports which force people to listen.

 

NSBB Poster: The Score just reported (insert trade so ridiculous, you'd have to hear it to believe it was actually reported)

Us: No way! I'm gonna listen! (Tune in)... That's so stupid!

 

It's gotta be some brilliant marketing strategy :lol:

[Guest]

What upgrade at 2nd? Walker? Don't think that is an upgrade.

 

It is certainly not much of a drop, I don't have the stats in front of me but i'm pretty certain Walker gets on base at a better clip than Soriano and their defense is probably equal.

I'd say that's about right. Walker will probably give you 30-40 more points of OBP while Soriano will have a 50-60 point advantage in SLG. Neither is a defensive wizard, and teams have talked about shifting Soriano to the OF on more than one occasion. Throw in the fact that Walker costs less than a third as much and I see no reason to want Soriano.

Edited December 3, 2005 by Anonymous

[oldcubsfan]

What upgrade at 2nd? Walker? Don't think that is an upgrade.

 

It is certainly not much of a drop, I don't have the stats in front of me but i'm pretty certain Walker gets on base at a better clip than Soriano and their defense is probably equal.

And Soriano knocks in more runs, scores more runs and hits more homers. OBP is not the only thing in baseball, unless you bat 1st or 2nd. You need run producers to knock in the OBP guys. Even billy Beane acknowledges that.

[Drew Doughty]

What upgrade at 2nd? Walker? Don't think that is an upgrade.

 

It is certainly not much of a drop, I don't have the stats in front of me but i'm pretty certain Walker gets on base at a better clip than Soriano and their defense is probably equal.

 

Walker gets on at a significantly better clip than Soriano and I would argue that his defense is slightly better, though Soriano probably has better range. The power is a drop off, but Walker's isn't bad.

 

Walker also hits for a higher average by quite a fair margin.

[USSoccer]

What upgrade at 2nd? Walker? Don't think that is an upgrade.

 

It is certainly not much of a drop, I don't have the stats in front of me but i'm pretty certain Walker gets on base at a better clip than Soriano and their defense is probably equal.

And Soriano knocks in more runs, scores more runs and hits more homers. OBP is not the only thing in baseball, unless you bat 1st or 2nd. You need run producers to knock in the OBP guys. Even billy Beane acknowledges that.

 

It's not a very good comparison. Soriano is more of a 6th hitter, where his SLG% and power numbers help the offense best. Walker is more of a 2 hole guy. Both are average at best defensively.

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

What upgrade at 2nd? Walker? Don't think that is an upgrade.

 

It is certainly not much of a drop, I don't have the stats in front of me but i'm pretty certain Walker gets on base at a better clip than Soriano and their defense is probably equal.

And Soriano knocks in more runs, scores more runs and hits more homers. OBP is not the only thing in baseball, unless you bat 1st or 2nd. You need run producers to knock in the OBP guys. Even billy Beane acknowledges that.

 

I wasn't aware that this team had an SLG problem.

 

edit:

 

In 2005 we ranked 2/16 in SLG and 11/16 in OBP among NL teams. I'm pretty sure our problems lie more with OBP than SLG.

Edited December 3, 2005 by Meat&PotatoesMan

[HoopsCubs]

It is a full NTC for 2006 and that is the point. Lou Canelis said "send him anywhere that will take him." That's not how it works buddy! Even rumors have to be plausible.

 

While the rumor could be far fetched or even bogus, let's not forget there are always ways that teams can get players to waive their no trade clauses.

 

In one of the the "dumbest" moves ever in recent times , Andy MacPhail agreed to give Fred McGriff an extra year if he would waive his NTC.

 

In recent years, I recall Shawn Green, Jim Thome and several others who did waive.

 

Texas or anybody else for that matter could agree to pick up Wood's 2007 option as an example of how to get him to waive his clause. That option is something like $13.5M - Wood might find it hard to turn that down, especially if he believes the Cubs have no intention of picking it up.

[CubbieRich]

The Score is saying that Phil Rogers has a report in the Sunday edition of the paper that the Cubs have a 3-way going with Oakland and Texas in which they trade Wood, Walker, $6million, and prospects and will end up with Zito, Mench and Soriano.

 

Discuss.

 

At no time did The Score report that Soriano was coming to the Cubs. In fact, they never mentioned Soriano's name at all. Certainly someone in Sugar Land can look into your computer for the source of these imaginary reports.

[Jehrico]

I'd be shocked if that was anything more than lazy journalism by Rogers. There's not a Cub on the 25 man that has less value than the recently operated on Wood.

 

I think you're waaaaay off base on Wood's value. Maybe in other years, but there aren't any aces on the market this year on the FA market. If Wood was put on the market (and if there wasn't any issues with his NTC), I'm sure there would be several pitching-desperate teams that woudl be willing to overpay for him. The only other top notch name I've heard on the market is Zito, and although he's more consistant and has been injury free, he's not on the same level as Wood when both are healthy. Wood at his best is WAY better than Zito at his best.

[Blueheart05]

It is a full NTC for 2006 and that is the point. Lou Canelis said "send him anywhere that will take him." That's not how it works buddy! Even rumors have to be plausible.

 

While the rumor could be far fetched or even bogus, let's not forget there are always ways that teams can get players to waive their no trade clauses.

 

In one of the the "dumbest" moves ever in recent times , Andy MacPhail agreed to give Fred McGriff an extra year if he would waive his NTC.

 

In recent years, I recall Shawn Green, Jim Thome and several others who did waive.

 

Texas or anybody else for that matter could agree to pick up Wood's 2007 option as an example of how to get him to waive his clause. That option is something like $13.5M - Wood might find it hard to turn that down, especially if he believes the Cubs have no intention of picking it up.

 

That's not what I'm saying. Also, I haven't read Rogers column so he may have mentioned the NTC. I only know about what was said on the radio. From my perspective, it has to be mentioned anytime trade talk comes up about Wood...

 

I called there (The Score) to comment on the NTC and the phone screener told me it wasn't true and hung up on me. It's like he didn't want to put me on the air to disseminate misinformation. :roll: