Gut feeling: Are we headed for a worst-case scenario?

[Magnetic Curses]

 

Or is every single MLB GM "crappy"?

 

You would think so according to this site.

 

I think Hendry's had an awful two years though, but I won't go as far as to call him "crappy". I've been very dissappointed with him the last two years.

 

nobody has done less with as much payroll, i'm not judging hendry based on nothing here.

 

he didn't significantly upgrade OBP and refuses to even acknowledge that it was a problem.

[badger1679666666]

 

what, throwing out a blanket statement to counter mine?

 

i think it's a bigger stretch to say giles wasn't going anywhere than to say he could be had for a large overbid.

 

I merely threw it out to show you that it makes criticisms of Hendry much easier when you just say:

 

Giles would be a Cub if Hendry offered 3/13, believe it.

 

Believe me, I'm not a fan of Hendry's off season, but I don't believe that we really had any shot at all at Giles. I certainly don't believe 3/13 would have gotten it done, Giles loves SoCal. I thought that was well known.

 

I am more angry with Hendry not making a really strong push for someone like Wilkerson, who we KNEW we had a strong chance it than for Hendry wasting time trying to court someone who was just posturing and wanted to stay in Chicago.

 

Jocketty must be stupid too, for taking Encarnacion and not sniffing giles because they had a hole in RF as well? Correct?

[Magnetic Curses]

think it's a bigger stretch to say giles wasn't going anywhere than to say he could be had for a large overbid.

 

So you wanted a large overbid to get him? 5\75?

 

i assume that no one was offering 3/39. i could be wrong, but that would appear to be a large overbid.

[CardsFanInChiTown]

think it's a bigger stretch to say giles wasn't going anywhere than to say he could be had for a large overbid.

 

So you wanted a large overbid to get him? 5\75?

 

i assume that no one was offering 3/39. i could be wrong, but that would appear to be a large overbid.

 

I'm pretty sure he could have gotten more years and money from the Blue Jays.

[badger1679666666]

think it's a bigger stretch to say giles wasn't going anywhere than to say he could be had for a large overbid.

 

So you wanted a large overbid to get him? 5\75?

 

i assume that no one was offering 3/39. i could be wrong, but that would appear to be a large overbid.

 

Did any other team offer anything? Just curious as to what numbers were thrown out for Giles (yanks and cards)

[badger1679666666]

think it's a bigger stretch to say giles wasn't going anywhere than to say he could be had for a large overbid.

 

So you wanted a large overbid to get him? 5\75?

 

i assume that no one was offering 3/39. i could be wrong, but that would appear to be a large overbid.

 

I'm pretty sure he could have gotten more years and money from the Blue Jays.

 

Wasn't there a non offical offer of 5 for 55 for giles from toronto or something like that?

[UK1679666180]

Sanders is not a better option btw.

 

How he is not better? Better contract, better player.

 

There's no chance that Jones will outproduce Sanders, none. It'll take some sort of fluke year from Jones that hasn't happened in about 3 years for him to get close to Sanders.

 

I'd love to see how Jones was a better option.

 

It doesn't exist. Defense doesn't make up that difference.

[CardsFanInChiTown]

think it's a bigger stretch to say giles wasn't going anywhere than to say he could be had for a large overbid.

 

So you wanted a large overbid to get him? 5\75?

 

i assume that no one was offering 3/39. i could be wrong, but that would appear to be a large overbid.

 

I'm pretty sure he could have gotten more years and money from the Blue Jays.

 

Wasn't there a non offical offer of 5 for 55 for giles from toronto or something like that?

 

I thought they offered 4 yrs but nothing was confirmed.

[goonys evil twin]

Well, the fact that he resigned w/ SD is pretty significant, and he ended the free agency process pretty early when he could have gotten more.

 

That's not significant at all. The talk all along was 3/30. There was talk of the Yanks at 3/30. And the Toronto talk was shot down quicker than the Zambrano/Prior for Abreu talk. He didn't end much quicker than others (same as Ryan). The elite free agents usually sign early.

[goonys evil twin]

Jocketty must be stupid too, for taking Encarnacion and not sniffing giles because they had a hole in RF as well? Correct?

 

Completely different. He didn't have the money, or the glaring hole that Hendry had. STL has the benefit of already being a great team, with recent history of significant success, and a solid lineup. Yes they needed a RFer, but not nearly as bad as the Cubs needed a RFer. And again, Hendry had more money to throw at his problems.

[SAMMYWHO]

Hendry's in a lose/lose situation. Sign Giles now for a contract similar to 3/39 and watch him regress at the end when he's 38. No one would be happy. I like Giles but to me he'll be like Larry Walker when he's 38 and he's not worth 13 mil.

[goonys evil twin]

Hendry's in a lose/lose situation. Sign Giles now for a contract similar to 3/39 and watch him regress at the end when he's 38. No one would be happy. I like Giles but to me he'll be like Larry Walker when he's 38 and he's not worth 13 mil.

 

Walker has been banged up throughout his career.

 

What makes you think nobody would be happy? I realize the risk that he wouldn't fulfill the last year of a 3 year deal. But this is a team that needs to win now. Giles makes their lineup so much better right now. This isn't a lazy and inconsistent Alou with inflated Enron numbers we're talking about. Giles has been a consistently great player year after year.

[BigbadB]

Hendry's in a lose/lose situation. Sign Giles now for a contract similar to 3/39 and watch him regress at the end when he's 38. No one would be happy. I like Giles but to me he'll be like Larry Walker when he's 38 and he's not worth 13 mil.

 

A 3 year deal for Giles would have ended during his 37th year on Earth, not 38.

 

He'll be 35 in January. That makes him 35 in 2006, 36 in 2007 and 37 in 2008. I could care less how he plays when he's 38.

[CubfaninCA]

 

Or is every single MLB GM "crappy"?

 

You would think so according to this site.

 

I think Hendry's had an awful two years though, but I won't go as far as to call him "crappy". I've been very dissappointed with him the last two years.

 

nobody has done less with as much payroll, i'm not judging hendry based on nothing here.

 

he didn't significantly upgrade OBP and refuses to even acknowledge that it was a problem.

 

I guess Pierre's no upgrade over Patterson or Neifi leading off??

[HoopsCubs]

 

Or is every single MLB GM "crappy"?

 

You would think so according to this site.

 

I think Hendry's had an awful two years though, but I won't go as far as to call him "crappy". I've been very dissappointed with him the last two years.

 

nobody has done less with as much payroll, i'm not judging hendry based on nothing here.

 

he didn't significantly upgrade OBP and refuses to even acknowledge that it was a problem.

 

I guess Pierre's no upgrade over Patterson or Neifi leading off??

 

For right or wrong, my issue with the Pierre trade was what Hendry gave up vs. what Minnesota gave up to get Luis Castillo.

[Mizzou]

Do we have to discuss Giles everyday? Sorry, but it just gets a little old reading the same arguments over and over.

[UK1679666180]

For right or wrong, my issue with the Pierre trade was what Hendry gave up vs. what Minnesota gave up to get Luis Castillo.

 

They could've likely had Jason Michaels as well for what they gave Florida. :)

 

(I haven't forgotten)

[CubfaninCA]

Sanders is not a better option btw.

 

How he is not better? Better contract, better player.

 

There's no chance that Jones will outproduce Sanders, none. It'll take some sort of fluke year from Jones that hasn't happened in about 3 years for him to get close to Sanders.

 

I'd love to see how Jones was a better option.

 

It doesn't exist. Defense doesn't make up that difference.

 

Those 90some games Sanders played last year don't impress me whatsoever, and Cardinal numbers are as inflated as Coors numbers.

[YearofDaCubs]

With a little creativity Hendry probably could have gotten a better RFer for us. Look what we gave up for Pierre? I bet you a lot of teams would jump on those players and give us a RF. Bottom line Jacque Jones was NOT the best option for us in RF.

[UK1679666180]

Sanders is not a better option btw.

 

How he is not better? Better contract, better player.

 

There's no chance that Jones will outproduce Sanders, none. It'll take some sort of fluke year from Jones that hasn't happened in about 3 years for him to get close to Sanders.

 

I'd love to see how Jones was a better option.

 

It doesn't exist. Defense doesn't make up that difference.

 

Those 90some games Sanders played last year don't impress me whatsoever, and Cardinal numbers are as inflated as Coors numbers.

 

He broke his leg on a collision.

 

I'd love to hear how his Cardinal numbers are as inflated as Coors. Did they bring the fences in to Little League dimensions during his ABs?

 

Those numbers are something that Jones will likely never see in a Cubs uniform.

[goonys evil twin]

Do we have to discuss Giles everyday? Sorry, but it just gets a little old reading the same arguments over and over.

 

Giles is just one of many options Hendry could have taken to signifcantly improve the team, not selectively improve certain areas of the team. The only time he's discussed at length is when people try and act as if there was no chance whatsoever to get him. Other than that he's just another in a long list of names that Hendry has missed out on.

[SAMMYWHO]

Hendry's in a lose/lose situation. Sign Giles now for a contract similar to 3/39 and watch him regress at the end when he's 38. No one would be happy. I like Giles but to me he'll be like Larry Walker when he's 38 and he's not worth 13 mil.

 

Walker has been banged up throughout his career.

 

What makes you think nobody would be happy? I realize the risk that he wouldn't fulfill the last year of a 3 year deal. But this is a team that needs to win now. Giles makes their lineup so much better right now. This isn't a lazy and inconsistent Alou with inflated Enron numbers we're talking about. Giles has been a consistently great player year after year.

 

You're right Goony in that we need to win now. I'll agree Giles is a way better option than J Jones but I myself and others would argue that at the end of his contract he wouldn't be worth it. No one knows how much he'll regress, nobody knows if he'd even sign a 3 yr deal with the Cubs but I'll also argue with anybody on the topic that unless your a fly on the wall in Mr. Hendry's office you have no idea what it would take to get Giles away from San Diego. If it's the weather or family or whatever the reason he signed with the Padres for so cheap, nobody knows. I'll agree the push for him to sign with the Cubs wasn't Hendry's best effort but who knows why Giles didn't test the market a little more.

[SAMMYWHO]

Hendry's in a lose/lose situation. Sign Giles now for a contract similar to 3/39 and watch him regress at the end when he's 38. No one would be happy. I like Giles but to me he'll be like Larry Walker when he's 38 and he's not worth 13 mil.

 

A 3 year deal for Giles would have ended during his 37th year on Earth, not 38.

 

He'll be 35 in January. That makes him 35 in 2006, 36 in 2007 and 37 in 2008. I could care less how he plays when he's 38.

 

Thanks for the correction, still at 13 million a big gamble. And that's if he'd even sign for 3/39.

[ShawonOmeter12]

gooney i am curious to how you think st louis has a solid lineup? compare position to position and i feel we are better.

C. barrett >Molina

1B. Lee<=Pujols pujols is slightly better

2B walker>spivey

SS Cedeno =eckstein

3B Aramis=Rolen both good but injury prone

LF Murton>taguchi

CF pierre

RF Jones> whoever they throw out there

 

just curios as to what makes them so much better and how they dont have a glaring hole in RF.

[goonys evil twin]

gooney i am curious to how you think st louis has a solid lineup? compare position to position and i feel we are better.

just curios as to what makes them so much better and how they dont have a galring hole in RF.

 

They've been significantly better year after year. They haven't regressed enough, and the Cubs haven't improved enough to make up the difference. Jones is not better than whoever they throw out there in right, Encarnacion is very similar, and quite possibly better since he's younger and coming off a better season in a pitchers park. Pujols is likely going to be much better than Lee this year. Lee is probably going to regress from last year a bit, with Pujols staying the same (although he has a shot to be even better). I'm not about to guarantee Cedeno will hit as well as Eckstein, and besides, Neifi will get a lot of time out there, and guarantee less production than Eck. Likewise, Murton, and whatever hack veteran Dusty replaces him with are not guarantees to outproduce STL LF.

 

You can't compare offenses with simple ><= looks at each position.