Dodger offer to Furcal........

[E.J.]

Offman on the Score just said Furcal would make his decision by sometime tommorow. At least there is an ending in sight to this saga.

[Guest]

The problem, is there are NO FA OF's, right now worth any value. The Cubs have plenty of money to spend anyway. Why not sign Furcal, then get an OF via trade?

 

Plenty of money? Not when you throw 3M at Eyre, 4M at Howry, 3M at Rusch, and 3M at Neifi. Throw in Furcal at 10-13M and we're looking at Jockstrap Jones or Burnitz.

 

Your numbers are off, according to Cot's Contracts. Your numbers account for 13 Million. Cot has the numbers at 2.5 for Howry, 2.7 for Eyre, 2.5 for Neifi, and 2.75 for Rusch. That is 10.45 million. 2.5 million is nothing to sneeze at.

I have no idea about the non-neifi signing bonuses, but you can't forget his million

$1.5M bonus to Howry, $1M bonus each to Eyre and Dempster. I'm not sure how the Cubs pay out these bonuses or how they treat them with regards to payroll. The CBA prorates them evenly over the life of the contract when determining a club's effective payroll for the luxury tax, but that doesn't mean the Trib does the same when signing the paychecks.

[jmajew]

Offman on the Score just said Furcal would make his decision by sometime tommorow. At least there is an ending in sight to this saga.

 

I'm happy Furcal is atleast showing that kind of respect to these teams. If we don't sign him we will have the full time at the GM meetings to work on Plan B.

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

The problem, is there are NO FA OF's, right now worth any value. The Cubs have plenty of money to spend anyway. Why not sign Furcal, then get an OF via trade?

 

Plenty of money? Not when you throw 3M at Eyre, 4M at Howry, 3M at Rusch, and 3M at Neifi. Throw in Furcal at 10-13M and we're looking at Jockstrap Jones or Burnitz.

 

Your numbers are off, according to Cot's Contracts. Your numbers account for 13 Million. Cot has the numbers at 2.5 for Howry, 2.7 for Eyre, 2.5 for Neifi, and 2.75 for Rusch. That is 10.45 million. 2.5 million is nothing to sneeze at.

 

Those numbers don't account for the signing bonuses and incentives. I don't know if those bonuses are evenly prorated or not.

 

signing bonuses and incentives:

Eyre - 1M (signing bonus) + 2.8M (incentives)

Howry - 1.5M (signing bonus)

Neifi - ?

Rusch - 1M (incentives)

 

even if Eyre doesn't collect any of his incentives (unlikely that he'll close with both Dempster and Howry), he'll probably make his appearance incentives, totaling 0.9M (.3M/year over contract life). add in the signing bonuses prorated and we have a grand total of 1.5M in incentives/bonuses for 2006.

 

that's a whopping 1M difference from your calcs. No big deal.

Edited December 3, 2005 by Meat&PotatoesMan

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

Offman on the Score just said Furcal would make his decision by sometime tommorow. At least there is an ending in sight to this saga.

 

Excellent.

[USSoccer]

Offman on the Score just said Furcal would make his decision by sometime tommorow. At least there is an ending in sight to this saga.

 

Excellent.

 

If he signs with us, I owe everyone that actually believed it beforehand here a Coke.

 

I'm serious. I'll mail everyone here a Coke if he signs here.

[E.J.]

Offman on the Score just said Furcal would make his decision by sometime tommorow. At least there is an ending in sight to this saga.

 

Excellent.

 

If he signs with us, I owe everyone that actually believed it beforehand here a Coke.

 

I'm serious. I'll mail everyone here a Coke if he signs here.

 

That's a lot of cokes. Can I get a Cherry Coke if it happens? :lol:

[USSoccer]

Offman on the Score just said Furcal would make his decision by sometime tommorow. At least there is an ending in sight to this saga.

 

Excellent.

 

If he signs with us, I owe everyone that actually believed it beforehand here a Coke.

 

I'm serious. I'll mail everyone here a Coke if he signs here.

 

That's a lot of cokes. Can I get a Cherry Coke if it happens? :lol:

 

Only if 11 other people want a Cherry Coke. Make it a little easy on me.

[XZero771679666304]

Offman on the Score just said Furcal would make his decision by sometime tommorow. At least there is an ending in sight to this saga.

 

Excellent.

 

If he signs with us, I owe everyone that actually believed it beforehand here a Coke.

 

I'm serious. I'll mail everyone here a Coke if he signs here.

 

That's a lot of cokes. Can I get a Cherry Coke if it happens? :lol:

 

Ewww, coke. How about a Pepsi?

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

How about a beer? I'll need it after watching the cubs dish out that many years.

[USSoccer]

Offman on the Score just said Furcal would make his decision by sometime tommorow. At least there is an ending in sight to this saga.

 

Excellent.

 

If he signs with us, I owe everyone that actually believed it beforehand here a Coke.

 

I'm serious. I'll mail everyone here a Coke if he signs here.

 

That's a lot of cokes. Can I get a Cherry Coke if it happens? :lol:

 

Ewww, coke. How about a Pepsi?

 

See my above post. It has to be in groups of 12.

[E.J.]

Offman on the Score just said Furcal would make his decision by sometime tommorow. At least there is an ending in sight to this saga.

 

Excellent.

 

If he signs with us, I owe everyone that actually believed it beforehand here a Coke.

 

I'm serious. I'll mail everyone here a Coke if he signs here.

 

That's a lot of cokes. Can I get a Cherry Coke if it happens? :lol:

 

Only if 11 other people want a Cherry Coke. Make it a little easy on me.

 

In all seriousness, it's pretty obvious Furcal is going where the money is. He's salivating at making $13 million a year.

[USSoccer]

I think Furcal used the Cubs and Dodgers to milk extra cash out of Atlanta.

[CubbieRich]

Furcal is asking too much for my taste. As much as we need a leadoff man and a steady SS, that's far too much and far too long to commit. I would rather trade prospects and pitching to Tampa, Pittsburgh and get back Gomes, Wilson, etc..

[CubinNY]

I think Furcal used the Cubs and Dodgers to milk extra cash out of Atlanta.

 

I hope so

[E.J.]

Furcal is asking too much for my taste. As much as we need a leadoff man and a steady SS, that's far too much and far too long to commit. I would rather trade prospects and pitching to Tampa, Pittsburgh and get back Gomes, Wilson, etc..

 

Why would you want Wilson? The guy had a .299 OBP last year. Might as well put Neifi at SS.

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

Furcal is asking too much for my taste. As much as we need a leadoff man and a steady SS, that's far too much and far too long to commit. I would rather trade prospects and pitching to Tampa, Pittsburgh and get back Gomes, Wilson, etc..

 

Why would you want Wilson? The guy had a .299 OBP last year. Might as well put Neifi at SS.

 

2B/SS. It doesn't matter. Neifi is a real team player. he'll start in whatever MIF position you want.

[Blueheart05]

Offman on the Score just said Furcal would make his decision by sometime tommorow. At least there is an ending in sight to this saga.

 

At noon tomorrow.

[Jehrico]

Offman on the Score just said Furcal would make his decision by sometime tommorow. At least there is an ending in sight to this saga.

 

Excellent.

 

If he signs with us, I owe everyone that actually believed it beforehand here a Coke.

 

I'm serious. I'll mail everyone here a Coke if he signs here.

 

That's a lot of cokes. Can I get a Cherry Coke if it happens? :lol:

 

Ewww, coke. How about a Pepsi?

 

Fugedaboudit. I'm high maintenance. I want an IBC Root Beer.

[UK1679666180]

I'll save you some money by requesting RC.

 

RC>Coke/Pepsi

[Careless]

Offman on the Score just said Furcal would make his decision by sometime tommorow. At least there is an ending in sight to this saga.

 

Excellent.

 

If he signs with us, I owe everyone that actually believed it beforehand here a Coke.

 

I'm serious. I'll mail everyone here a Coke if he signs here.

 

That's a lot of cokes. Can I get a Cherry Coke if it happens? :lol:

 

Ewww, coke. How about a Pepsi?

 

Fugedaboudit. I'm high maintenance. I want an IBC Root Beer.

Does that come in 12 packs?

[Jehrico]

Furcal is asking too much for my taste. As much as we need a leadoff man and a steady SS, that's far too much and far too long to commit. I would rather trade prospects and pitching to Tampa, Pittsburgh and get back Gomes, Wilson, etc..

 

Why would you want Wilson? The guy had a .299 OBP last year. Might as well put Neifi at SS.

 

Aramis had a great 2001 with our AAAA team, but digressed in '02, and wasn't doing too hot either in '03 with them. Then he caught fire with us. Think Wilson could follow the same path? I wouldn't be disappointed if Hendry took a gamble on him if we missed out on Furcal. With Neifi, you know what you're going ot get. With Wilson, there's a chance to get a whole lot more, and we'd be buying low instead of high (like with Aramis).

[Jehrico]

Offman on the Score just said Furcal would make his decision by sometime tommorow. At least there is an ending in sight to this saga.

 

Excellent.

 

If he signs with us, I owe everyone that actually believed it beforehand here a Coke.

 

I'm serious. I'll mail everyone here a Coke if he signs here.

 

That's a lot of cokes. Can I get a Cherry Coke if it happens? :lol:

 

Ewww, coke. How about a Pepsi?

 

Fugedaboudit. I'm high maintenance. I want an IBC Root Beer.

Does that come in 12 packs?

 

6s only, as far as I'm aware. He'd only need 5 other people who dring IBC vs 11 cherry coke or pepsi drinkers.

[UK1679666180]

Furcal is asking too much for my taste. As much as we need a leadoff man and a steady SS, that's far too much and far too long to commit. I would rather trade prospects and pitching to Tampa, Pittsburgh and get back Gomes, Wilson, etc..

 

Why would you want Wilson? The guy had a .299 OBP last year. Might as well put Neifi at SS.

 

Aramis had a great 2001 with our AAAA team, but digressed in '02, and wasn't doing too hot either in '03 with them. Then he caught fire with us. Think Wilson could follow the same path? I wouldn't be disappointed if Hendry took a gamble on him if we missed out on Furcal. With Neifi, you know what you're going ot get. With Wilson, there's a chance to get a whole lot more, and we'd be buying low instead of high (like with Aramis).

 

I think it's the exact opposite of Ramirez, Ramirez had several productive season in the minors as well as his breakout year before his regression.

 

Wilson in his 3 years prior to his "breakout" season had OBPs of .255, .306, .303, then his .335 breakout, and back down to .299. OBP isn't everything, but it was his only season above.700 OPS as well.

[Jehrico]

Furcal is asking too much for my taste. As much as we need a leadoff man and a steady SS, that's far too much and far too long to commit. I would rather trade prospects and pitching to Tampa, Pittsburgh and get back Gomes, Wilson, etc..

 

Why would you want Wilson? The guy had a .299 OBP last year. Might as well put Neifi at SS.

 

Aramis had a great 2001 with our AAAA team, but digressed in '02, and wasn't doing too hot either in '03 with them. Then he caught fire with us. Think Wilson could follow the same path? I wouldn't be disappointed if Hendry took a gamble on him if we missed out on Furcal. With Neifi, you know what you're going ot get. With Wilson, there's a chance to get a whole lot more, and we'd be buying low instead of high (like with Aramis).

 

I think it's the exact opposite of Ramirez, Ramirez had several productive season in the minors as well as his breakout year before his regression.

 

Wilson in his 3 years prior to his "breakout" season had OBPs of .255, .306, .303, then his .335 breakout, and back down to .299. OBP isn't everything, but it was his only season above.700 OPS as well.

 

Wow, I didn't realize Wilson's numbers in the minors were so shoddy. Nevermind then....sounds like his rookie year was a fluke, and the league figured him out after that.