So What happens if Wood performs like he did 2001-2003?

[CubfaninCA]

1. The Cubs make the playoffs and possibly take it all.

 

2. The Cubs gotta pick up the option.

[A New Era]

Can someone please tell me how Kerry is just supposed to "alter" his mechanics without any guidance from anyone? He should just tinker with his arm so it totally falls off? I for one don't want him changing his mechanics without someone who actually KNOWS something about it helping him.

 

This mechanics crap is going too far IMO.,

Totally agree. Stone opens his mouth and everybody runs with it. It's like becoming left handed after being a righty your entire life.

 

Well when Wood hurts his arm again next year, you please come back here and tell me why, besides bad mechanics/throwing slightly accross his body, what else is it?

[Careless]

 

This mechanics crap is going too far IMO.,

Totally agree. Stone opens his mouth and everybody runs with it. It's like becoming left handed after being a righty your entire life.

 

Well when Wood hurts his arm again next year, you please come back here and tell me why, besides bad mechanics/throwing slightly accross his body, what else is it?

Not to get into what the probable reasons are, but you can always come up with alternative reasons. He could simply have a genetic/developmental defect resulting in poor tensile strength in ligaments, for example. If I sawed your arm into 8 pieces, all the perfect mechanics in the world probably wouldn't be enough to keep you healthy

[A New Era]

 

This mechanics crap is going too far IMO.,

Totally agree. Stone opens his mouth and everybody runs with it. It's like becoming left handed after being a righty your entire life.

 

Well when Wood hurts his arm again next year, you please come back here and tell me why, besides bad mechanics/throwing slightly accross his body, what else is it?

Not to get into what the probable reasons are, but you can always come up with alternative reasons. He could simply have a genetic/developmental defect resulting in poor tensile strength in ligaments, for example. If I sawed your arm into 8 pieces, all the perfect mechanics in the world probably wouldn't be enough to keep you healthy

 

Ok fair enough. I still think Stone is right in how he evaluated Wood's reaccuring injuries. But I'll get off that now. I actually want Wood to be dominant in 06. If he was, picking up his option will be the least of our thoughts. We'd probably be in the post season seriously contending if he did. And we wouldn't really care about any of that until the PS was over.

[NCCubFan]

So What happens if Wood performs like he did 2001-2003?

 

Hell freezes over?

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[David]

EDIT - double post Edited November 26, 2005 by David

[David]

For Cubzfan64 and CubbieRich,

 

I would be willing to bet my gonads that he will not waive his no-trade clause in the middle of next year, if he's pitching those numbers. 1) with Z and Prior as 1 and 2, we'll probably have a realiztic chance of making the playoffs if all 3 pitch to their potential, and I'm not worried about Z or Prior.

 

So in THIS situation trading is not an option.

 

My question is do you let him go without getting anything in return, or do you pick up the 2007 option - only two realistic choices if the above numbers are true.

 

I believe the Cubs hold a buyout of about $3.5 million for 2007 and the Cubs should do that. They simply can not afford to pay him so much, especially for a #3 starter at best.

 

If Kerry posts a 3.20 ERA, 11.35 K/9, and a 2.03 BAA in 32 starts, he'll be a lot better than a number three starter. That's ace material there.

 

For those who didn't realize it, those were Kerry's numbers from 2003. Apparently, in CR's mind, "at best" has nothing to do with what Kerry has actually done in his career. Moreover, as we all know, he's had a few seasons like 2003, it was no fluke.

[Mark Priors Calves]

Wanted to bump this thread up because of a comment made at the Winter Meetings from Dusty Baker.

 

"At this point, I don't think we realistically can [count on Wood]," Baker said about his Opening Day rotation. "Idealistically, I am. The guy's making great progress. I'm in contact with our fitness therapy people all the time. They say he's in great shape, working hard, great range of motion. I'd like to depend on him.

 

Nobody should forget the ridiculous joke that was Kerry Wood unnecessarily pitching out of the bullpen when the Cubs were out of the wild card race in August of 2005.

[don_kessinger_was_good]

Beat me to it, MPC. And The Kerry Wood Era goes out with a whimper, rather than a bang. Guess we need another starting pitcher after all.

[frostwyrm]

My expectations are now down to the point that whatever we get out of Kerry is a bonus in my eyes.

[CubbieRich]

'IF Healthy' Wood will never be an ace here. Aces don't consider a 14 win season as their peak. He has become an unreliable $12 million drain on the roster. He is a right-handed Danny Jackson. Sorry Danny, I didn't mean to demean you. At least you won 20 games and a Cy Young.

[badger1679666666]

'IF Healthy' Wood will never be an ace here. Aces don't consider a 14 win season as their peak. He has become an unreliable $12 million drain on the roster. He is a right-handed Danny Jackson. Sorry Danny, I didn't mean to demean you. At least you won 20 games and a Cy Young.

 

You continually make me laugh at the stupidity of considering wins a marker for the efficacy and success of a pitcher.

 

IF you were smart, you'd rip on his lack of IP as more of an indictment of his mediocrity, than his win totals. Because I'll take the 14 win 2003 Kerry Wood EVERY year for the next 10 years if he puts up those peripherals.

 

What are you going to say when he goes somewhere else and becomes a perennial ace? That you were incredibly short-sighted? If so then continue on with your ridiculous, ignorant ramblings about how to judge starting pitchers.

 

Must be all those characters from the Score rubbing off on you, at least I can only hope so.

[erik316wttn]

Guess the news today about Woody missing Opening Day makes this thread kinda irrelevant.

[badger1679666666]

Guess the news today about Woody missing Opening Day makes this thread kinda irrelevant.

 

Is this actually news? Wasn't it dusty repeating the Rothschild jargon that he doesn't expect him to be ready? Shouldn't we wait for medical staff to give us reports?

[CubbieRich]

'IF Healthy' Wood will never be an ace here. Aces don't consider a 14 win season as their peak. He has become an unreliable $12 million drain on the roster. He is a right-handed Danny Jackson. Sorry Danny, I didn't mean to demean you. At least you won 20 games and a Cy Young.

 

You continually make me laugh at the stupidity of considering wins a marker for the efficacy and success of a pitcher.

 

IF you were smart, you'd rip on his lack of IP as more of an indictment of his mediocrity, than his win totals. Because I'll take the 14 win 2003 Kerry Wood EVERY year for the next 10 years if he puts up those peripherals.

 

What are you going to say when he goes somewhere else and becomes a perennial ace? That you were incredibly short-sighted? If so then continue on with your ridiculous, ignorant ramblings about how to judge starting pitchers.

 

Must be all those characters from the Score rubbing off on you, at least I can only hope so.

 

Kerry Wood? A Gamer? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: This guy only shows up regularly to cash his bloated paycheck. As to pitching, he shows only he isn't smart enough to change his delivery and stay healthy.

 

There's an old joke that a man goes to the doctor, makes a pitching motion and says "It hurts when I do that." The doctor says "Don't do that." Oft-injured Kerry hasn't taken the advice.

 

Despite your constant attacks and obvious lack of baseball knowledge, Badger, I still want you to get a good job and succeed. I'm betting that you will do so. I'm also confident that Wood will never be an ace anywhere or win 14 games for 10 straight years.

[badger1679666666]

Despite obvious lack of baseball knowledge, .

 

Keep it up. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

 

This coming from a man who continues to judge pitching prowess based on wins, when pretty much every sabrematrician, baseball guru, statistical expert, baseball expert indicates that wins are the worst method of judging a pitcher.

 

I still want you to get a good job and succeed. I'm betting that you will do so.

 

Thanks.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

If I had a desk job, and I typed my whole life using the same finger placement and such, then I got carpal tunnel(sorry if misspelled). After I returned to my job, my boss doesn't say anything to me about changing my hand placement to prevent this. So, apparently, it's entirely up to me to change the way I've done this task(that is my livelihood) my entire life. That would be very difficult, maybe even unreasonable. I don't know what's causing it, making it very difficult to diagnose what to change as well.

[Mark_R]

If I had a desk job, and I typed my whole life using the same finger placement and such, then I got carpal tunnel(sorry if misspelled). After I returned to my job, my boss doesn't say anything to me about changing my hand placement to prevent this. So, apparently, it's entirely up to me to change the way I've done this task(that is my livelihood) my entire life. That would be very difficult, maybe even unreasonable.

 

This isn't very realistic. Are you as efficient or as good at your job as before? If you are, then that's fine. But Wood has to have someone work with him (before I get all the buzzards on me about just him changing himself ;) ) if he's going to take that next step. I truly believe that.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

 

Kerry Wood? A Gamer? :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: This guy only shows up regularly to cash his bloated paycheck. As to pitching, he shows only he isn't smart enough to change his delivery and stay healthy.

 

There's an old joke that a man goes to the doctor, makes a pitching motion and says "It hurts when I do that." The doctor says "Don't do that." Oft-injured Kerry hasn't taken the advice.

 

Despite your constant attacks and obvious lack of baseball knowledge, Badger, I still want you to get a good job and succeed. I'm betting that you will do so. I'm also confident that Wood will never be an ace anywhere or win 14 games for 10 straight years.

 

It's nice that you make a lot of points completely devoid of facts or reasoning. I don't know what Kerry did to make you blind to his achievements. I haven't seen such ignorant diatribes against one player since the days of Auggiedoggie.

 

For example, in 2002 and 2003, Wood averaged 212 innings pitched. That's quite a workload. In comparison, the "great" A.J. Burnett has never reached that number of innings pitched who was just rewarded with quite a large contract.

 

Wood has only had 2 seasons in which his ERA was over 4. One of those was last season and the other 2000 when he was still recovering from TJS.

 

While people want to attack Wood for his "lack" of wins, one should realize that he has only had one season with a losing record which was last year in which he went 3-4. In his two healthy seasons in 2002-2003, Wood started 33 and 32 games respectively.

 

In the last five seasons, Wood's BAA has been 215, 244, 203, 221, and 202. Those are awesome numbers.

 

Furthermore, wins are perhaps the worst possible metric which to measure a SP. Once again, Burnett has only won 12 games in his career, so even as bad as Wood is, he's much better than Burnett right?

 

I'm kind of hoping CubbieRich responds so I can laugh some more.

[USSoccer]

Guys, it's obvious that Kerry Wood is one subject that CubbieRich and others (like myself) will never see eye to eye on.

[Mark_R]

Guys, it's obvious that Kerry Wood is one subject that CubbieRich and others (like myself) will never see eye to eye on.

 

No kidding. Its annoying as hell to see the same silly argument every 2 weeks.

[fallingpieces]

Guys, it's obvious that Kerry Wood is one subject that CubbieRich and others (like myself) will never see eye to eye on.

 

No kidding. Its annoying as hell to see the same silly argument every 2 weeks.

 

I will agree.

[CubinNY]

My expectations are now down to the point that whatever we get out of Kerry is a bonus in my eyes.

 

I agree. I am expecting 10-12 starts with a very good ERA and about 4 wins (Not necessairly Woods fault).