Furcal Sets Price at 50 million

[JeffH]

Vesting options cannot be based on any sort of statistical performance criteria other than games played, games started, pitching appearances, games finished (as a pitcher), etc.

 

Things like OPS, OBP, SLG, HR, RBI, hits, run scored, etc. are off limits.

[fearthecubs]

No team will give him 5/50 guaranteed, but what about this scenario?

 

4/36, 5th year option for 14 million which automatically vests with a certain criteria (say, .850 OPS plus an average of over 130 games started over those 4 years). If the option doesn't vest, the team has a $12 million option or a $2 million buyout, and the player has an $8 million option.

 

That gives them the "5 year 50 million" contract to hype, but only puts us on the hook for $38 guaranteed.

 

last time I checked you cant put statistical clauses into contractual agreements

[Wheelimus]

well rats

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

How about a "No DUI" clause?

[CardsFanInChiTown]

How about a "No DUI" clause?

 

There are plenty of cabs in Chicago.

[jmajew]

How about a "No DUI" clause?

 

There are plenty of cabs in Chicago.

 

That still doesn't change the fact that he would be hungover for the games. The reason Farnsworth wasn't a stud in Chicago was because he was hungover all the time. I can see Furcal doing the same thing.

 

With all that said if we can get Furcal for 4years at 36 million I would think about it, but there is no chance i'd go any higher.

Edited November 13, 2005 by jmajew

[CubinNY]

The reason Farnsworth wasn't a stud in Chicago was because he was hungover all the time.

 

I've seen that written several times. Does anyone know if this is true? Or is it urban legend?

Edited November 12, 2005 by CubinNY

[Transmogrified Tiger]

The reason Farnsworth wasn't a stud in Chicago was because he was hungover all the time.

 

I've seen that written several times. Does anyone know if this is true? Or is it urban legen?

 

No, no one knows if that's true. At best it's speculation, at worst it's ridiculous slander.

[RockTheIvy]

The reason Farnsworth wasn't a stud in Chicago was because he was hungover all the time.

 

I've seen that written several times. Does anyone know if this is true? Or is it urban legen?

 

No, no one knows if that's true. At best it's speculation, at worst it's ridiculous slander.

 

I would say at best it's true. But I guess knowing that one of the Cubs pitchers was pitching in a hungover state, that could be "at worst?" :-s

[David]

Watch the language, jmajew.

[jmajew]

Watch the language, jmajew.

 

Yeah that slipped... I apologize.

[biittner77]

I'm waiting for the update where Kinzer says that the Mets have offered his client a Pony.

 

5/50 million? I believe the response is You can go Pound Sand.

[tncub]

According to the trib. the report of a 5/50 million contract demand are not true.

[RockTheIvy]

According to the trib. the report of a 5/50 million contract demand are not true.

 

Yeah here's the link for that:

http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/cs-051112cubs,1,7925414.story?coll=cs-home-headlines

[E.J.]

Man, if I'm Furcal I fire Kinzer immediately. He's making Furcal look like a fool.

[RockTheIvy]

Man, if I'm Furcal I fire Kinzer immediately. He's making Furcal look like a fool.

 

Yeah really. I mean Furcal is very good but is he that much better than Jimmy Rollins or Edgar Renteria? I just don't understand some of these agents sometimes.

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

Supposedly Hendry is set to give Furcal a 5 year offer. :-&

 

Cubs GM Jim Hendry is poised to satisfy Rafael Furcal's five-year contract demand, which probably means Braves GM John Schuerholz is going to have to do some more deft maneuvering to keep his streak of division titles intact. Schuerholz is prepared to go with Wilson Betemit at shortstop next year, but finding a leadoff hitter to replace Furcal will be a tall task.

 

NY Daily News

[E.J.]

Supposedly Hendry is set to give Furcal a 5 year offer. :-&

 

Cubs GM Jim Hendry is poised to satisfy Rafael Furcal's five-year contract demand, which probably means Braves GM John Schuerholz is going to have to do some more deft maneuvering to keep his streak of division titles intact. Schuerholz is prepared to go with Wilson Betemit at shortstop next year, but finding a leadoff hitter to replace Furcal will be a tall task.

 

NY Daily News

 

Looks like the Daily News is making up stories again...

[Guest]

Supposedly Hendry is set to give Furcal a 5 year offer. :-&

 

Cubs GM Jim Hendry is poised to satisfy Rafael Furcal's five-year contract demand, which probably means Braves GM John Schuerholz is going to have to do some more deft maneuvering to keep his streak of division titles intact. Schuerholz is prepared to go with Wilson Betemit at shortstop next year, but finding a leadoff hitter to replace Furcal will be a tall task.

 

NY Daily News

 

Looks like the Daily News is making up stories again...

Let's hope.

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

Supposedly Hendry is set to give Furcal a 5 year offer. :-&

 

Cubs GM Jim Hendry is poised to satisfy Rafael Furcal's five-year contract demand, which probably means Braves GM John Schuerholz is going to have to do some more deft maneuvering to keep his streak of division titles intact. Schuerholz is prepared to go with Wilson Betemit at shortstop next year, but finding a leadoff hitter to replace Furcal will be a tall task.

 

NY Daily News

 

Looks like the Daily News is making up stories again...

Let's hope.

 

how is it fair to give Furcal 5 years and Ramirez 4? i thought you had to earn things in this organization.

[E.J.]

Supposedly Hendry is set to give Furcal a 5 year offer. :-&

 

Cubs GM Jim Hendry is poised to satisfy Rafael Furcal's five-year contract demand, which probably means Braves GM John Schuerholz is going to have to do some more deft maneuvering to keep his streak of division titles intact. Schuerholz is prepared to go with Wilson Betemit at shortstop next year, but finding a leadoff hitter to replace Furcal will be a tall task.

 

NY Daily News

 

Looks like the Daily News is making up stories again...

Let's hope.

 

how is it fair to give Furcal 5 years and Ramirez 4? i thought you had to earn things in this organization.

 

I don't think there's any way Hendry gives Furcal a 5 year contract. Maybe a 4 year contract with a team option for a 5th, but that would be the max.

[Gunned]

Man, if I'm Furcal I fire Kinzer immediately. He's making Furcal look like a fool.

 

Yeah really. I mean Furcal is very good but is he that much better than Jimmy Rollins or Edgar Renteria? I just don't understand some of these agents sometimes.

 

Well, since you asked:

 

Furcal:

03: 292/352/443/25 steals (93 percent success)

04: 279/345/414/29 steals (83 percent success)

05: 284/348/429/46 steals (82 percent success)

 

Rollins:

03: 263/320/387/20 steals (63 percent success)

04: 289/348/455/30 steals (77 percent success)

05: 290/338/431/41 steals (87 percent success)

 

Renteria:

03: 330/394/480/34 steals (83 percent success)

04: 287/327/401/17 steals (61 percent success)

05: 276/335/385/9 steals (69 percent success)

 

First, Renteria is mired in an awful decline. That signing is only going to get worse and worse for Boston. Second, Rollins and Furcal are amazingly similar players -- Rollins' numbers are encouraging (for Phillies fans, I guess) because he still appears to be improving, while Furcal has been pretty consistent.

 

I'd probably give the edge to Furcal since he gets on base more, and we all know that's what a leadoff man should really be doing. Rollins got a 5 year/$40 million deal, so Furcal is probably worth (in market value, at least) a bit more than that.

[RockTheIvy]

Man, if I'm Furcal I fire Kinzer immediately. He's making Furcal look like a fool.

 

Yeah really. I mean Furcal is very good but is he that much better than Jimmy Rollins or Edgar Renteria? I just don't understand some of these agents sometimes.

 

Well, since you asked:

 

Furcal:

03: 292/352/443/25 steals (93 percent success)

04: 279/345/414/29 steals (83 percent success)

05: 284/348/429/46 steals (82 percent success)

 

Rollins:

03: 263/320/387/20 steals (63 percent success)

04: 289/348/455/30 steals (77 percent success)

05: 290/338/431/41 steals (87 percent success)

 

Renteria:

03: 330/394/480/34 steals (83 percent success)

04: 287/327/401/17 steals (61 percent success)

05: 276/335/385/9 steals (69 percent success)

 

First, Renteria is mired in an awful decline. That signing is only going to get worse and worse for Boston. Second, Rollins and Furcal are amazingly similar players -- Rollins' numbers are encouraging (for Phillies fans, I guess) because he still appears to be improving, while Furcal has been pretty consistent.

 

I'd probably give the edge to Furcal since he gets on base more, and we all know that's what a leadoff man should really be doing. Rollins got a 5 year/$40 million deal, so Furcal is probably worth (in market value, at least) a bit more than that.

 

You're right he is better, I agree. But let's look at another SS:

 

Tejada:

2003: .278/.336/.472

2004: .311/.360/.534

2005: .304/.349/.515

 

In 2005 Tejada made 10mil and change. He is slated to make 12 million the next 3 seasons I believe. My point is that Furcal is more like Rollins and Renteria (better, but not better like Tejada), and is not deserving of an extra year at 10 mil per, which is only 2 million short of Tejada. I think the lines of Rollins, Renteria and Furcal, with the exception of their SBs, could easily be produced by Cedeno, and for far less.

[UK1679666180]

http://chicagosports.chicagotribune.com/sports/baseball/cubs/cs-051112cubs,1,7925414.story?coll=cs-cubs-headlines

 

There appears to be some dispute between the report and Furcal's agent as far as the dollar amount and not the years. I see the years being a greater hurdle than the dollars. I feel comfortable with Cedeno starting at SS as well. I don't know the leash he'd put on if he gets off to a slow start, but if he's the 8th best hitter everyday that Blanco isn't out there, you'll score some runs.

 

Glad to see Corey working with the best hitting instructor in the system (Joshua).

[Illini Iceman]

Man, if I'm Furcal I fire Kinzer immediately. He's making Furcal look like a fool.

 

Yeah really. I mean Furcal is very good but is he that much better than Jimmy Rollins or Edgar Renteria? I just don't understand some of these agents sometimes.

 

Well, since you asked:

 

Furcal:

03: 292/352/443/25 steals (93 percent success)

04: 279/345/414/29 steals (83 percent success)

05: 284/348/429/46 steals (82 percent success)

 

Rollins:

03: 263/320/387/20 steals (63 percent success)

04: 289/348/455/30 steals (77 percent success)

05: 290/338/431/41 steals (87 percent success)

 

Renteria:

03: 330/394/480/34 steals (83 percent success)

04: 287/327/401/17 steals (61 percent success)

05: 276/335/385/9 steals (69 percent success)

 

First, Renteria is mired in an awful decline. That signing is only going to get worse and worse for Boston. Second, Rollins and Furcal are amazingly similar players -- Rollins' numbers are encouraging (for Phillies fans, I guess) because he still appears to be improving, while Furcal has been pretty consistent.

 

I'd probably give the edge to Furcal since he gets on base more, and we all know that's what a leadoff man should really be doing. Rollins got a 5 year/$40 million deal, so Furcal is probably worth (in market value, at least) a bit more than that.

 

Good think Epstein jumped ship before he had to answer for the big money long term deals he gave to Clement and Renteria. I know Boston doesn't seem to worry too much about budgets but I still think they are going to regret those contracts.