Current Pictures of Busch Stadium Destruction

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I said it has more memories. I should have said, more SIGNIFICANT memories.

Not if you are a Cubs fan. It's all relative brah.

 

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[mjohnson71]

Busch Stadium has undoubtedly had a great run, but when you think of pantheon ball parks, Wrigley is at the top of the list with Fenway, Yankee Stadium, Ebbets Field, etc. Busch has a lot of great baseball memories, proud tradition, and I personally grew up there, but let's be honest. It has neither the charm or character of Wrigley Field. Wrigley is in the middle of a residential neighborhood. There are bars, restaurants, stores, and houses surrounding it. It has that real sense of community that no other baseball stadium has. Up until the mid 90's, Busch was essentially a football stadium. Adding real grass, the big scoreboard, and new seats helped a lot, but it was still a cookie cutter that looked like a gigantic ash tray.

 

My statement was in no way a rip at Busch, but to say that it is as historically significant as Wrigley Field is preposterous. Some of you are equating success to history. I would argue that Wrigley Field is more significant because of the Cubs lack of success. What other reason did 30,000 + people have to go watch a game in 98 degree August afternoons when their team was 20 games out of 1st? Wrigley.

 

I didn't say "historically significant", so save your preposterousity for someone else.

 

I said it has more memories. I should have said, more SIGNIFICANT memories. Some of you may not put much value in the historic significance of winning a baseball championships, but I disagree. Bob Gibson's 17 strikeouts in Game 1 of the '68 World Series comes to mind. Lou Brock's record-setting stolen base. Mark McGwire's record-setting home run. Boston's first World Championship since 1918. The fact that it's parked in the shadow of one of our country's most significant man-made features (the Arch), and just blocks from the Mighty Mississippi.

 

Wrigley or Busch? It may be futile to argue one's significance over the other. They're both memorable, for different reasons. Keep in mind that I didn't start this banter. My point is that it's silly to make a post that implies that there would be reason to cry over Wrigley's demise, but not Busch's. THAT, my friend, is "preposterous".

 

Give me a break. :roll: If you go east towards the river from Busch you have it separated by a parking garage, a bland hotel complex that eats up a whole block, 8 lanes of ugly interstate and the Arch grounds.

 

The Arch grounds are nice and then what do you have on the Mississippi riverfront? A few cars parked on cobblestones and a few lame-a** attractions on barges. Look across the river to East St. Louis Illinois and what do you have? A grain elevator and an ugly casino.

 

Look at Pittsburgh and how great they integrate PNC park with their rivers. Granted the Reds don't have much on the Ohio side of the river. But walk across the bridge over to Covington KY and there are a number of restaurants and bars on the river.

[J.R.]

World Series: 1918, '29, '32, '35, '38, '45

 

Dang! The Cubs look like they had a near dynasty in the 30s.

 

Cubs NL titles prior to 1918: 1876, 1880, 1881, 1882, 1885, 1886, 1906, 1907, 1908 and 1910.

 

Must have been fun, though I bet people were pissed about that 20-year drought from 1886-1906.

[Chris]

World Series: 1918, '29, '32, '35, '38, '45

 

Dang! The Cubs look like they had a near dynasty in the 30s.

 

Cubs NL titles prior to 1918: 1876, 1880, 1881, 1882, 1885, 1886, 1906, 1907, 1908 and 1910.

 

Must have been fun, though I bet people were pissed about that 20-year drought from 1886-1906.

 

yikes

[wolf stansson]

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[Chris]

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[wolf stansson]

I'm a poor college student though.

[Chris]

I'm a poor college student though.

 

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[cubssox fan]

World Series: 1918, '29, '32, '35, '38, '45

 

Dang! The Cubs look like they had a near dynasty in the 30s.

 

Cubs NL titles prior to 1918: 1876, 1880, 1881, 1882, 1885, 1886, 1906, 1907, 1908 and 1910.

 

Must have been fun, though I bet people were pissed about that 20-year drought from 1886-1906.

 

Its not to have all those winning years but it isnt like there were that many teams back than either.

[J.R.]

World Series: 1918, '29, '32, '35, '38, '45

 

Dang! The Cubs look like they had a near dynasty in the 30s.

 

Cubs NL titles prior to 1918: 1876, 1880, 1881, 1882, 1885, 1886, 1906, 1907, 1908 and 1910.

 

Must have been fun, though I bet people were pissed about that 20-year drought from 1886-1906.

 

Its not to have all those winning years but it isnt like there were that many teams back than either.

 

Only a Sox fan would talk trash about stuff from the 1800s.

[CubinNY]

World Series: 1918, '29, '32, '35, '38, '45

 

Dang! The Cubs look like they had a near dynasty in the 30s.

 

Cubs NL titles prior to 1918: 1876, 1880, 1881, 1882, 1885, 1886, 1906, 1907, 1908 and 1910.

 

Must have been fun, though I bet people were pissed about that 20-year drought from 1886-1906.

 

Its not to have all those winning years but it isnt like there were that many teams back than either.

 

Only a Sox fan would talk trash about stuff from the 1800s.

 

It is to laugh,

 

In addition, I think at least a few of those teams where called "the White Stockings".

[J.R.]

I think at least a few of those teams where called "the White Stockings".

 

Chicago Cubs (1902-present)

Chicago Orphans (1898-1901)

Chicago Colts (1890-1897)

Chicago White Stockings (1870-1889)

 

The Sox picked up the Cubs' old name in an effort to glean some of the fan affection for the successful late 1800s ballclubs.

[SouthSideRyan]

Some of you may not put much value in the historic significance of winning a baseball championships

 

I don't know how I missed this obnoxiousness the first time around. Just because there are some world series memories in a park it makes it historic? Does Jack Morris's 10 inning shutout and Kirby Puckett's walk off HR make the Metrodome a historic ballpark?

[snoodmonger]

Here are a few of the truly historical events that occurred in Wrigley (most courtesy of wikipedia)

 

•Babe's called shot.

•Homer in the gloaming.

•Pete Rose tied Ty Cobb's record.

•Sosa surpassed Maris

•Wood's 20K game

•Lou Gehrig hits grand slam to win high school all-star game.

•Gayle Sayers rushes for six touchdowns.

•3 all-star games

•8/8/88--Cubs are the last team to install lights.

•The other first night game--7/1/43--All-American Girls Professional Baseball League plays night baseball in Wrigley.

•The Bartman game.

[treebird]

Some of you may not put much value in the historic significance of winning a baseball championships

 

I don't know how I missed this obnoxiousness the first time around. Just because there are some world series memories in a park it makes it historic? Does Jack Morris's 10 inning shutout and Kirby Puckett's walk off HR make the Metrodome a historic ballpark?

 

the bob and pro player are also hugely historic.

[E.J.]

Looks like they won't complete the demolition of Old Busch stadium until June 2006.

 

Busch Demolition will take Months

 

After Monday, demolition will continue for months, taking 60 days to level the south side. That will create enough room to finish the new stadium, which the team announced earlier this week will open for regular season play April 10.

 

Dismantling the rest of the stadium will continue until the 2006 baseball season, wrapping up at the end of June, a week and half before the all-star game break.

 

Seems pretty stupid to me that they decided to demolish it this way. Couldn't they have saved a bunch of time by just blowing the thing up? Why do it this way when it's going to continue into the 2006 season? Stupid.

[KatJ]

They planned to implode Busch II but will now be using a wrecking ball. Someone I know in the commercial property insurance business said the insurers of the surrounding buildings got their panties in a bind and demanded the Cardinals not use explosives.

 

Oh for crying out loud - the Kingdome was in at least as tight a space. They imploded it with no problems whatsoever. Silly people.

[mjohnson71]

They planned to implode Busch II but will now be using a wrecking ball. Someone I know in the commercial property insurance business said the insurers of the surrounding buildings got their panties in a bind and demanded the Cardinals not use explosives.

 

Oh for crying out loud - the Kingdome was in at least as tight a space. They imploded it with no problems whatsoever. Silly people.

 

The Kingdome was well away from anything else. I think Three Rivers was very close to Heinz Field and they imploded it.

 

I don't think the tightness is the major problem in St. Louis. A number of tunnels nearby and the fact that an extremely large water main runs directly under the current Busch prevents the implosion option.

[K-Town]

I said it has more memories. I should have said, more SIGNIFICANT memories.

 

 

Not if you are a Cubs fan. It's all relative brah.

 

 

Bingo.

 

 

It's too bad you didn't get that point when you made your original post. It would have saved me the trouble of explaining it to you.

[CubinNY]

I said it has more memories. I should have said, more SIGNIFICANT memories.

 

 

Not if you are a Cubs fan. It's all relative brah.

 

 

Bingo.

 

 

It's too bad you didn't get that point when you made your original post. It would have saved me the trouble of explaining it to you.

 

Double bingo.

 

It's to bad you didn't end your post with "to me." then we wouldn't have spent time reading your ridiciulus argumetns why Busch stadium has more memories.

[K-Town]

I said it has more memories. I should have said, more SIGNIFICANT memories.

 

 

Not if you are a Cubs fan. It's all relative brah.

 

 

Bingo.

 

 

It's too bad you didn't get that point when you made your original post. It would have saved me the trouble of explaining it to you.

 

Double bingo.

 

It's to bad you didn't end your post with "to me." then we wouldn't have spent time reading your ridiciulus argumetns why Busch stadium has more memories.

 

The original post didn't end with "to me", so I responded in kind, just to make a point.

[wolf stansson]

I said it has more memories. I should have said, more SIGNIFICANT memories.

 

 

Not if you are a Cubs fan. It's all relative brah.

 

 

Bingo.

 

 

It's too bad you didn't get that point when you made your original post. It would have saved me the trouble of explaining it to you.

So you're saying I'm right? Because yes, in the championship department, the Cardinals organization has been more successful, but this wasn't about which has been the most "successful" organization, its about the fact that Busch isn't as important or historic of a ballpark as Wrigley.

 

Are you actually reading these posts or do you just like to tell yourself that everyone agrees with you?

 

Just asking.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I said it has more memories. I should have said, more SIGNIFICANT memories.

 

 

Not if you are a Cubs fan. It's all relative brah.

 

 

Bingo.

 

 

It's too bad you didn't get that point when you made your original post. It would have saved me the trouble of explaining it to you.

So you're saying I'm right? Because yes, in the championship department, the Cardinals organization has been more successful, but this wasn't about which has been the most "successful" organization, its about the fact that Busch isn't as important or historic of a ballpark as Wrigley.

 

Are you actually reading these posts or do you just like to tell yourself that everyone agrees with you?

 

Just asking.

 

Don't worry, Wolf. It's just his subtle trolling which he has made a habit of doing. He's done it before and he'll do it again. When called on it, he'll try to backpedal and make excuses, but his true colors are evident.

[K-Town]

I said it has more memories. I should have said, more SIGNIFICANT memories.

 

 

Not if you are a Cubs fan. It's all relative brah.

 

 

Bingo.

 

 

It's too bad you didn't get that point when you made your original post. It would have saved me the trouble of explaining it to you.

So you're saying I'm right? Because yes, in the championship department, the Cardinals organization has been more successful, but this wasn't about which has been the most "successful" organization, its about the fact that Busch isn't as important or historic of a ballpark as Wrigley.

 

Are you actually reading these posts or do you just like to tell yourself that everyone agrees with you?

 

Just asking.

 

 

The original post implied that it was stupid to cry about Busch being demolished, but it wouldn't be stupid to cry about Wrigley being demolished. I took issue with THAT. From a Cardinals' perspective, there's every bit as much reason (or more) to cry about Busch being demolished. Why? Because many of us have fond memories from that stadium. Some folks want to bring up the "memories of Babe Ruth", as if they remember sitting in Wrigley Field, watching Babe Ruth point to........... something. I seriously doubt if anybody on this board was there for most of the World Series' at Wrigley Field, Gayle Sayers rushing for six touchdowns, etc.

 

When people move out of their house, they don't cry because the house is "old", or because the house is in a memorable neighborhood. They cry because of the fond memories of thing that happened IN that house.

 

 

From a historical perspective, Wrigley Field is significant. From a perspective of memories that might make someone emotional (which was the context of your original post, and mine), there's no reason to think that Wrigley is anymore significant than Busch.

[K-Town]

I said it has more memories. I should have said, more SIGNIFICANT memories.

 

 

Not if you are a Cubs fan. It's all relative brah.

 

 

Bingo.

 

 

It's too bad you didn't get that point when you made your original post. It would have saved me the trouble of explaining it to you.

So you're saying I'm right? Because yes, in the championship department, the Cardinals organization has been more successful, but this wasn't about which has been the most "successful" organization, its about the fact that Busch isn't as important or historic of a ballpark as Wrigley.

 

Are you actually reading these posts or do you just like to tell yourself that everyone agrees with you?

 

Just asking.

 

Don't worry, Wolf. It's just his subtle trolling which he has made a habit of doing. He's done it before and he'll do it again. When called on it, he'll try to backpedal and make excuses, but his true colors are evident.

 

I've never backpedaled, and I've never made one excuse for anything. I'd love it if you could give us an example of me "making a habit" of doing so.

 

This board is monitored (closely) by Cubs' fans. If I were "trolling", I'd be gone. Fortunately, the moderators are sharp enough to realize that simply having a different perspective isn't "trolling".

 

And you're right, my true colors are evident. I've never attempted to hide them. There's nothing "subtle" about what I post.