Would you.....

[Backtobanks]

Lee to NY, Beltran to Boston, Manny to the Cubs. Mets send us some cash over the next several years.

 

Lee for Manny? No thanks. The Cubs spend a whole lot more money, and don't get any better than the 2005 team.

 

Depends on how much money you get from the Mets. Whether or not you improve from the 2005 team or not, Manny is a likely step up from what Lee will provide offensively next season. Just throwing it out there. Our best chance for landing an impact bat might be trading Lee + prospects for said impact bat and another quality player.

 

Lee is an impact bat. I don't think he'll repeat his numbers, but I think he'll be a 900+ OPS hitter. That "quality player" would have to be another 900+ OPS hitter to justify a deal. This team needs to get better than they were in 2005. They couldn't take advantage of that career year by Lee, I don't see any way they'd win if they simply traded Lee for another impact bat, without acquiring a 2nd impact bat.

 

Think of it this way. Once Giles is gone, the quality bats in the OF are nonexistent. So if the Cubs were to trade Lee and prospects for Manny and say, Milton Bradley(not a .900 OPS guy, and I have no idea of how that trade would work out), then they still have money to go out and sign Konerko to play 1B. So now they have someone who's just about Lee's equal offensively next year, plus Manny and Bradley, and the only real tradeoff is prospects plus the increase in salary.

Just trying to explore all the possiblities here.

 

First, Konerko is going to look for $50 million over 4 years and secondly, the only way he is Lee's equal is if Lee regresses to his previous career averages.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

Lee to NY, Beltran to Boston, Manny to the Cubs. Mets send us some cash over the next several years.

 

Lee for Manny? No thanks. The Cubs spend a whole lot more money, and don't get any better than the 2005 team.

 

Depends on how much money you get from the Mets. Whether or not you improve from the 2005 team or not, Manny is a likely step up from what Lee will provide offensively next season. Just throwing it out there. Our best chance for landing an impact bat might be trading Lee + prospects for said impact bat and another quality player.

 

Lee is an impact bat. I don't think he'll repeat his numbers, but I think he'll be a 900+ OPS hitter. That "quality player" would have to be another 900+ OPS hitter to justify a deal. This team needs to get better than they were in 2005. They couldn't take advantage of that career year by Lee, I don't see any way they'd win if they simply traded Lee for another impact bat, without acquiring a 2nd impact bat.

 

Think of it this way. Once Giles is gone, the quality bats in the OF are nonexistent. So if the Cubs were to trade Lee and prospects for Manny and say, Milton Bradley(not a .900 OPS guy, and I have no idea of how that trade would work out), then they still have money to go out and sign Konerko to play 1B. So now they have someone who's just about Lee's equal offensively next year, plus Manny and Bradley, and the only real tradeoff is prospects plus the increase in salary.

Just trying to explore all the possiblities here.

 

First, Konerko is going to look for $50 million over 4 years and secondly, the only way he is Lee's equal is if Lee regresses to his previous career averages.

 

I think it's much more likely Lee regresses to his career averages than him going over a 1000 OPS again. The point I'm trying to get across is that Lee has a very high perceived value, and he's really likely to not be worth that value again.

[BigbadB]

Lee to NY, Beltran to Boston, Manny to the Cubs. Mets send us some cash over the next several years.

 

Lee for Manny? No thanks. The Cubs spend a whole lot more money, and don't get any better than the 2005 team.

 

Depends on how much money you get from the Mets. Whether or not you improve from the 2005 team or not, Manny is a likely step up from what Lee will provide offensively next season. Just throwing it out there. Our best chance for landing an impact bat might be trading Lee + prospects for said impact bat and another quality player.

 

Lee is an impact bat. I don't think he'll repeat his numbers, but I think he'll be a 900+ OPS hitter. That "quality player" would have to be another 900+ OPS hitter to justify a deal. This team needs to get better than they were in 2005. They couldn't take advantage of that career year by Lee, I don't see any way they'd win if they simply traded Lee for another impact bat, without acquiring a 2nd impact bat.

 

Think of it this way. Once Giles is gone, the quality bats in the OF are nonexistent. So if the Cubs were to trade Lee and prospects for Manny and say, Milton Bradley(not a .900 OPS guy, and I have no idea of how that trade would work out), then they still have money to go out and sign Konerko to play 1B. So now they have someone who's just about Lee's equal offensively next year, plus Manny and Bradley, and the only real tradeoff is prospects plus the increase in salary.

Just trying to explore all the possiblities here.

 

First, Konerko is going to look for $50 million over 4 years and secondly, the only way he is Lee's equal is if Lee regresses to his previous career averages.

 

I think it's much more likely Lee regresses to his career averages than him going over a 1000 OPS again. The point I'm trying to get across is that Lee has a very high perceived value, and he's really likely to not be worth that value again.

 

I don't think you can call a guy who had a career year and only has one year remaining on his contract a very high perceived value.

[Andy]

I don't think you can call a guy who had a career year and only has one year remaining on his contract a very high perceived value.

I agree. I think we're all overrating DLee's tradeability right now. There are plenty of teams right now looking at him and saying "What a tremendous year, but he better keep it up for us to have any interest." Regardless, I don't think there's anyone we could get for DLee that would be better than him without giving up something else substantial.

[BigbadB]

I don't think you can call a guy who had a career year and only has one year remaining on his contract a very high perceived value.

I agree. I think we're all overrating DLee's tradeability right now. There are plenty of teams right now looking at him and saying "What a tremendous year, but he better keep it up for us to have any interest." Regardless, I don't think there's anyone we could get for DLee that would be better than him without giving up something else substantial.

 

There aren't many deals out there I would make for Lee right now. He has speed, he has power, he hits for a good average and he plays tremendous defense, which is a necessity with Nomar and Aramis on the left side of the infield. If he turns in another year like he did this past season, he won't come cheap in 2007, but I'd look to lock him up for 3 or 4 more years before the season closes. Actually, as decent as he was prior to this year, I'd consider trying to get him locked up now. He won't cost anymore next year, so lock him up and close the door on a potential hole at 1b after '06.

 

Just to add one more tangible to Lee's resume', he's one classy guy who the rest of the team should not only respect, but emulate.

[TheDude]

I don't think your deal looks right. I'd have to see the other minor league pieces of the deal.

 

My answer would be, maybe.

 

And is it really too difficult to put any sort of indication what your thread is about in the title?

Well, that is a title of a THREAD which is where you go to have DISCUSSION about a topic-thank you for intriging and enlightening jolt into the discussion- I am just like many fans out there who are begging for the Sox to sweap so we can get on with the offseason-just trying to pose questions for discussion- In the future I will outline a descriptive analysis in the thread title so you may determine your availability to interact-

 

Prospects I don't believe are the rub of a deal like this-it is all about money and the right situation- The Sox want Manny and his contract gone, the Mets want Manny but would be fiscally responsible with both Beltran and Manny, and the Cubs need offense and heave money to absorb some contracts-

 

But prospects are critical to the deal. You have the Cubs and Mets landing superstars, and the Red Sox landing two players who shared part-time duty last year. The Red Sox would be looking for some serious talent compensation, and names like Pie alter people's opinion of the deal.

 

All I am basically saying is the the deal you outlined is too incomplete to give a definitive thumbs up or down. Others have run with more detailed idea since.

 

And BTW - I wasn't asking for a detailed analysis of your topic idea. Just a hint about the topic. "Would you" as a topic title could be about dancing naked in a lily field singing Free Bird.

[LoneStarCubFan]

If you're going to trade for Beltran, what do you do with Pie in 2007?

[Houston_Cub_Fan]

If we did a deal for Beltran, Pie would be expendable. That's reason enough in my mnd not to do the deal. I'm happy waiting for Felix and either sticking with Corey for one more year or signing Lofton short term.

 

I was as intoxicated with Beltran as everyone else after 04, but a closer look at his numbers (even excluding 05) sobered me up. He's certainly not worth what the Mets paid or even what the Astros offered. If it's true that Hendry offered something in the mid $90M range, then he too would have overpaid. The Cubs original offer of $85M was dead on if you ask me. The Mets would have to pick up more than a couple million a year to get it down to a reasonable range and make it worth the innevitable trade of Pie - no matter what he brought in return.