Predict the Apology

[Chris]

Because he knew it was an out.

 

He assumed wrong then didn't he?

 

I just can't fathom how that is assuming wrong when the umpire called him out.

[K-Town]

So if an OF thinks he caught a ball cleanly that was boarderline close to the ground he should roll the ball in?

 

It doesn't matter. If that outfielder thinks he caught the ball, and the umpire calls the batter "out", but the batter continues to run to first base, should the batter be safe? Of course not. Out is out.

 

But...he has to see or hear him call him out before he does anything with the ball. Paul rolled the ball to the mound before the out was called.

 

No, he doesn't have to see or hear ANYTHING before he does anything with the ball. If the fielder is certain that he caught the ball, then he probably won't even look at the umpire.

 

You are kidding right? You can not assume things like that.

 

 

Sure you can. It happens 99% of the time. Fielders rarely look at the umpire for the call, because they know what the call will be.

 

I don't know about 99% of the time but they should always make sure. It's a game with humans and they make mistakes and it's the jobs of the players to do what they can to avoid it being a multiple mistake.

 

No, it's the players' job to play the game by the rules, to the best of their ability.

 

It's the umpire's job to apply the rules. The rules weren't applied. It wasn't a "mistake" by the umpire. He got the call right, and then changed his call, which is unheard of. It was a blatant violation of the rules by an umpire........... you can't put that on the players, no matter how you twist it.

[K-Town]

I'm curious...doesn't the ump always put up his right hand for a strike? We all know it was a strike but did he call him out too?

The right hand going up indicates there was no contact between the bat and the ball. In other words, it's not a foul.

 

A foul ball had nothing to do with it though and since you can run on a ball in the dirt after a 3rd strike that to me is where the probelm is. Again, why did Paul roll the ball before AJ was called out?

 

Because he knew it was an out.

 

He assumed wrong then didn't he?

 

No, he didn't assume wrong. It was an out. The umpire called the out. What more do you want?

[CuseCubFan69]

Again, why did Paul roll the ball before AJ was called out?

 

When I watch the replay on MLB.com I see the fist and then the ball thrown on the field.

 

I thought I saw Paul going toward the bench and rolling the ball just before the "out" call. If not, why would Paul not even think of throwing the ball if he saw AJ running because AJ took off when he saw the ump delay between the stright arm out and then the pump with the right hand up.

 

After watching the clip I think MLB.com has every possible angle of the play. A person can also slow the speed of the reel which is a cool feature. From the camera angle behind the play you see AJ look at the umpire and see the hand to the right and he took off, which was the smart play. However, as the umpire signals out the catcher throws the ball back on the field. In fact, the call and the throw are about as simultaneous as it could get. As far as why Paul didn't throw when he saw AJ running is another question. The way I view it is that regardless of whether or not Paul throws to first the umpire has called no contact as well as the out. With that being said, the inning was over.

 

I have not been able to see it in slow speed. let me ask you if what Paul is doing the whole time? Is he ready to throw the ball to first at any time or is he moving towards the bench and rolling the ball as the ump calls AJ out. Also, what was the pitcher and the other infielders doing while this was happening?

[CuseCubFan69]

I'm curious...doesn't the ump always put up his right hand for a strike? We all know it was a strike but did he call him out too?

The right hand going up indicates there was no contact between the bat and the ball. In other words, it's not a foul.

 

A foul ball had nothing to do with it though and since you can run on a ball in the dirt after a 3rd strike that to me is where the probelm is. Again, why did Paul roll the ball before AJ was called out?

 

Because he knew it was an out.

 

He assumed wrong then didn't he?

 

No, he didn't assume wrong. It was an out. The umpire called the out. What more do you want?

 

If he called him out why was AJ safe at first?

[Andy]

I'm curious...doesn't the ump always put up his right hand for a strike? We all know it was a strike but did he call him out too?

The right hand going up indicates there was no contact between the bat and the ball. In other words, it's not a foul.

 

A foul ball had nothing to do with it though and since you can run on a ball in the dirt after a 3rd strike that to me is where the probelm is. Again, why did Paul roll the ball before AJ was called out?

 

Because he knew it was an out.

 

He assumed wrong then didn't he?

 

No, he didn't assume wrong. It was an out. The umpire called the out. What more do you want?

 

If he called him out why was AJ safe at first?

Simple. Eddings reversed his own "out" call.

 

Does it sound absolutely ludicrous that an umpire would reverse his own call without consulting any of the other umps?

 

Good. Because that is why this is causing such an uproar.

[K-Town]

I'm curious...doesn't the ump always put up his right hand for a strike? We all know it was a strike but did he call him out too?

The right hand going up indicates there was no contact between the bat and the ball. In other words, it's not a foul.

 

A foul ball had nothing to do with it though and since you can run on a ball in the dirt after a 3rd strike that to me is where the probelm is. Again, why did Paul roll the ball before AJ was called out?

 

Because he knew it was an out.

 

He assumed wrong then didn't he?

 

No, he didn't assume wrong. It was an out. The umpire called the out. What more do you want?

 

If he called him out why was AJ safe at first?

 

Because the umpire changed his call.

[CuseCubFan69]

So if an OF thinks he caught a ball cleanly that was boarderline close to the ground he should roll the ball in?

 

It doesn't matter. If that outfielder thinks he caught the ball, and the umpire calls the batter "out", but the batter continues to run to first base, should the batter be safe? Of course not. Out is out.

 

But...he has to see or hear him call him out before he does anything with the ball. Paul rolled the ball to the mound before the out was called.

 

No, he doesn't have to see or hear ANYTHING before he does anything with the ball. If the fielder is certain that he caught the ball, then he probably won't even look at the umpire.

 

You are kidding right? You can not assume things like that.

 

 

Sure you can. It happens 99% of the time. Fielders rarely look at the umpire for the call, because they know what the call will be.

 

I don't know about 99% of the time but they should always make sure. It's a game with humans and they make mistakes and it's the jobs of the players to do what they can to avoid it being a multiple mistake.

 

No, it's the players' job to play the game by the rules, to the best of their ability.

 

It's the umpire's job to apply the rules. The rules weren't applied. It wasn't a "mistake" by the umpire. He got the call right, and then changed his call, which is unheard of. It was a blatant violation of the rules by an umpire........... you can't put that on the players, no matter how you twist it.

 

Really? So if one ump calls it an out and the other calls it a hit the OF should always assume it's an out? There is no clock in this game so what's the hurry to get a 3rd out? You have to make sure it's an out and if you assume you have a chance of getting burnt.

[CuseCubFan69]

I'm curious...doesn't the ump always put up his right hand for a strike? We all know it was a strike but did he call him out too?

The right hand going up indicates there was no contact between the bat and the ball. In other words, it's not a foul.

 

A foul ball had nothing to do with it though and since you can run on a ball in the dirt after a 3rd strike that to me is where the probelm is. Again, why did Paul roll the ball before AJ was called out?

 

Because he knew it was an out.

 

He assumed wrong then didn't he?

 

No, he didn't assume wrong. It was an out. The umpire called the out. What more do you want?

 

If he called him out why was AJ safe at first?

Simple. Eddings reversed his own "out" call.

 

Does it sound absolutely ludicrous that an umpire would reverse his own call without consulting any of the other umps?

 

Good. Because that is why this is causing such an uproar.

 

I saw him talking with another ump after the play.

[CuseCubFan69]

If he called him out why was AJ safe at first?

 

Because the umpire changed his call.

 

Which they can do.

[K-Town]

I'm curious...doesn't the ump always put up his right hand for a strike? We all know it was a strike but did he call him out too?

The right hand going up indicates there was no contact between the bat and the ball. In other words, it's not a foul.

 

A foul ball had nothing to do with it though and since you can run on a ball in the dirt after a 3rd strike that to me is where the probelm is. Again, why did Paul roll the ball before AJ was called out?

 

Because he knew it was an out.

 

He assumed wrong then didn't he?

 

No, he didn't assume wrong. It was an out. The umpire called the out. What more do you want?

 

If he called him out why was AJ safe at first?

Simple. Eddings reversed his own "out" call.

 

Does it sound absolutely ludicrous that an umpire would reverse his own call without consulting any of the other umps?

 

Good. Because that is why this is causing such an uproar.

 

I saw him talking with another ump after the play.

 

Eddings said after the game that he (not another umpire) deemed the runner to be safe. Then, the replay showed that he (Eddings) clearly called the runner out.

 

Eddings blew it, and then lied about it. That's not Paul's fault.

[K-Town]

If he called him out why was AJ safe at first?

 

Because the umpire changed his call.

 

Which they can do.

 

Really? How so? Do you have any examples?

[adamb0719]

I'm curious...doesn't the ump always put up his right hand for a strike? We all know it was a strike but did he call him out too?

The right hand going up indicates there was no contact between the bat and the ball. In other words, it's not a foul.

 

A foul ball had nothing to do with it though and since you can run on a ball in the dirt after a 3rd strike that to me is where the probelm is. Again, why did Paul roll the ball before AJ was called out?

 

Because he knew it was an out.

 

He assumed wrong then didn't he?

 

No, he didn't assume wrong. It was an out. The umpire called the out. What more do you want?

 

If he called him out why was AJ safe at first?

 

That is the whole problem. Why did he call him out and let him stay at first? That is what is so confusing, and makes the call ridiculous. There is no way to argue that he was not called out. Every replay shows he used the same motions as every other third strike called out. When the balls were in the ground, he did not pump his fist until a tag or throw to first. In this situation he did what he does for a third strike out. To me the problem lies in the fact that Eddings said he was watching Paul to see what he did, and he did not say the ball was dropped. Why does it matter what Paul or A.J. did? The call was out and Eddings did not take control of the situation. He just let A.J. run after calling him out.

[Chris]

 

I have not been able to see it in slow speed. let me ask you if what Paul is doing the whole time? Is he ready to throw the ball to first at any time or is he moving towards the bench and rolling the ball as the ump calls AJ out. Also, what was the pitcher and the other infielders doing while this was happening?

 

It's actually an amusing replay in regards to the camera shot from behind home. However, from that angle you can't really tell if Paul is watching the runner or the umpire. The infielders are all walking off the field until they realize what is going on. All of them are doing the same out gesture that the umpire made. The other umpires (1st and the right field line) are walking to the infield until they see something is happening and then they come in. The security is coming on the field to take their place. Even the on deck batter has turned around and is walking to the dugout.

[K-Town]

Really? So if one ump calls it an out and the other calls it a hit the OF should always assume it's an out? There is no clock in this game so what's the hurry to get a 3rd out? You have to make sure it's an out and if you assume you have a chance of getting burnt.

 

No....... if you recall, I said that 99% of the time, the fielder can assume the out.

 

The example that you're talking about happens probably less than 1% of the time. Furthermore, it didn't happen last night.

[CuseCubFan69]

Eddings said after the game that he (not another umpire) deemed the runner to be safe. Then, the replay showed that he (Eddings) clearly called the runner out.

 

Eddings blew it, and then lied about it. That's not Paul's fault.

 

It looked to me that the other ump said he couldn't see what happened for sure and thus making it Eddings call.

 

Who is the crew chief for this group?

[CuseCubFan69]

Really? So if one ump calls it an out and the other calls it a hit the OF should always assume it's an out? There is no clock in this game so what's the hurry to get a 3rd out? You have to make sure it's an out and if you assume you have a chance of getting burnt.

 

No....... if you recall, I said that 99% of the time, the fielder can assume the out.

 

The example that you're talking about happens probably less than 1% of the time. Furthermore, it didn't happen last night.

 

You came up with the 99% not me. Do you have the actual numbers to back that up or are you assuming?

[goonys evil twin]

Eddings said after the game that he (not another umpire) deemed the runner to be safe. Then, the replay showed that he (Eddings) clearly called the runner out.

 

Eddings blew it, and then lied about it. That's not Paul's fault.

 

It looked to me that the other ump said he couldn't see what happened for sure and thus making it Eddings call.

 

Who is the crew chief for this group?

 

Enrico Polatzo.

[Chris]

Eddings said after the game that he (not another umpire) deemed the runner to be safe. Then, the replay showed that he (Eddings) clearly called the runner out.

 

Eddings blew it, and then lied about it. That's not Paul's fault.

 

It looked to me that the other ump said he couldn't see what happened for sure and thus making it Eddings call.

 

Who is the crew chief for this group?

 

Enrico Polatzo.

 

:lol:

[CuseCubFan69]

If he called him out why was AJ safe at first?

 

That is the whole problem. Why did he call him out and let him stay at first? That is what is so confusing, and makes the call ridiculous. There is no way to argue that he was not called out. Every replay shows he used the same motions as every other third strike called out. When the balls were in the ground, he did not pump his fist until a tag or throw to first. In this situation he did what he does for a third strike out. To me the problem lies in the fact that Eddings said he was watching Paul to see what he did, and he did not say the ball was dropped. Why does it matter what Paul or A.J. did? The call was out and Eddings did not take control of the situation. He just let A.J. run after calling him out.

 

If Eddings watched Paul then why din't he call AJ out because it was obvious that Paul thought he caught the ball.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

whether the ball hit the dirt or not isn't the issue.

 

the ump clearly signaled out. it's the same out call that 5 year olds recognize in tee ball.

 

the right thing to do is for MLB to pick the game up in the top of the next inning.

 

will they? hell no, they'll puss out like they always do.

 

This post summarizes my feelings. The players respond to the calls on the field, so if the umpire signals out, the batter is out. It is clear that Eddings is signaling out here. If he's not, he surely should change the way he makes his call.

[K-Town]

Really? So if one ump calls it an out and the other calls it a hit the OF should always assume it's an out? There is no clock in this game so what's the hurry to get a 3rd out? You have to make sure it's an out and if you assume you have a chance of getting burnt.

 

No....... if you recall, I said that 99% of the time, the fielder can assume the out.

 

The example that you're talking about happens probably less than 1% of the time. Furthermore, it didn't happen last night.

 

You came up with the 99% not me. Do you have the actual numbers to back that up or are you assuming?

 

I don't have actual numbers, and don't need them, because your point is irrelevant. The fact that Paul rolled the ball to the mound is your way of trying to divert from the real issue. The real issue is this:

 

The batter was out.

 

The umpire CALLED the batter out.

 

The batter was allowed to stay on first base base, despite being called out.

 

 

If you want to fault Paul for that, then you're simply missing the point.

[CuseCubFan69]

Eddings said after the game that he (not another umpire) deemed the runner to be safe. Then, the replay showed that he (Eddings) clearly called the runner out.

 

Eddings blew it, and then lied about it. That's not Paul's fault.

 

It looked to me that the other ump said he couldn't see what happened for sure and thus making it Eddings call.

 

Who is the crew chief for this group?

 

Enrico Polatzo.

 

:D You may not be far off.

[K-Town]

If he called him out why was AJ safe at first?

 

That is the whole problem. Why did he call him out and let him stay at first? That is what is so confusing, and makes the call ridiculous. There is no way to argue that he was not called out. Every replay shows he used the same motions as every other third strike called out. When the balls were in the ground, he did not pump his fist until a tag or throw to first. In this situation he did what he does for a third strike out. To me the problem lies in the fact that Eddings said he was watching Paul to see what he did, and he did not say the ball was dropped. Why does it matter what Paul or A.J. did? The call was out and Eddings did not take control of the situation. He just let A.J. run after calling him out.

 

If Eddings watched Paul then why din't he call AJ out because it was obvious that Paul thought he caught the ball.

 

 

He DID call AJ out. :roll:

[CuseCubFan69]

Really? So if one ump calls it an out and the other calls it a hit the OF should always assume it's an out? There is no clock in this game so what's the hurry to get a 3rd out? You have to make sure it's an out and if you assume you have a chance of getting burnt.

 

No....... if you recall, I said that 99% of the time, the fielder can assume the out.

 

The example that you're talking about happens probably less than 1% of the time. Furthermore, it didn't happen last night.

 

You came up with the 99% not me. Do you have the actual numbers to back that up or are you assuming?

 

I don't have actual numbers, and don't need them, because your point is irrelevant. The fact that Paul rolled the ball to the mound is your way of trying to divert from the real issue. The real issue is this:

 

The batter was out.

 

The umpire CALLED the batter out.

 

The batter was allowed to stay on first base base, despite being called out.

 

 

If you want to fault Paul for that, then you're simply missing the point.

 

My point is that Paul rolled the ball before the out was called and I do find fault with that. I am not saying what the ump did was right but Paul took a chance and lost.