Another opportunity for A-Rod?

[SAMMYWHO]

One thing I forgot. If the Marlins feel there getting the short end of the stick try to get Gordon to Florida. My first response was going with Vance's idea of the Marlins shedding payroll.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I would not trade ARam to get ARod, but I would offer the following:

 

Patterson

Pinto or Nolasco

Williams

Walker (pick up option and trade him)

 

and I'd take back

 

ARod

Gordon

 

 

.

 

I don't think that deal stands a snowball's chance in hell of getting done. The Yankees are going to want a name player to give up Arod.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

How about Wood, Pierre and Lowell to the Yankees.

Patterson, Cedeno, Walker, Welly to the Marlins and

Arod, Encarnacion, Castillo, and throw in Mota to the Cubs.

Let Nomar walk because as much as I'd like to keep him I think his price will be to high for Hendry based on post injury offensive production.

 

So we would get Arod, Castillo, Mota, and Encarnacion for Wood, Cedeno, Walker and Welly. That looks nice...but let's see...

 

The Yankees end up giving Arod for Pierre, Wood, and Lowell. They might do that.

 

The Marlins give up Encarnacion, Castillo, Pierre, Lowell, and Mota and only get Patterson (bust and even a worse hitter in Dolphin Stadium), Cedeno (good), Walker (ok), and Welly (?). Even with shedding payroll, the Marlins could do ten times better if they wanted to unload that much. No way that deal happens.

[USSoccer]

I would not trade ARam to get ARod, but I would offer the following:

 

Patterson

Pinto or Nolasco

Williams

Walker (pick up option and trade him)

 

and I'd take back

 

ARod

Gordon

 

 

.

 

I don't think that deal stands a snowball's chance in hell of getting done. The Yankees are going to want a name player to give up Arod.

 

Only if Stein and his cabal are calling the shots. If Cashman is, well, ARod is not the most popular Yankee, and he knows that they need some young, cheap pitching. I think it's a deal that could be considered.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

I would not trade ARam to get ARod, but I would offer the following:

 

Patterson

Pinto or Nolasco

Williams

Walker (pick up option and trade him)

 

and I'd take back

 

ARod

Gordon

 

 

.

 

I don't think that deal stands a snowball's chance in hell of getting done. The Yankees are going to want a name player to give up Arod.

 

Only if Stein and his cabal are calling the shots. If Cashman is, well, ARod is not the most popular Yankee, and he knows that they need some young, cheap pitching. I think it's a deal that could be considered.

 

When it involves marquis players, Stein is always calling the shots.

[goonys evil twin]

I would not trade ARam to get ARod, but I would offer the following:

Patterson

Pinto or Nolasco

Williams

Walker (pick up option and trade him)

and I'd take back

ARod

Gordon

.

I don't think that deal stands a snowball's chance in hell of getting done. The Yankees are going to want a name player to give up Arod.

Only if Stein and his cabal are calling the shots. If Cashman is, well, ARod is not the most popular Yankee, and he knows that they need some young, cheap pitching. I think it's a deal that could be considered.

When it involves marquis players, Stein is always calling the shots.

 

I could see Stein turning sour on ARod and demanding he be traded, with or without a name coming back in return. In fact, any deal involving ARod would almost certainly demand that type of action.

[USSoccer]

I would not trade ARam to get ARod, but I would offer the following:

 

Patterson

Pinto or Nolasco

Williams

Walker (pick up option and trade him)

 

and I'd take back

 

ARod

Gordon

 

 

.

 

I don't think that deal stands a snowball's chance in hell of getting done. The Yankees are going to want a name player to give up Arod.

 

Only if Stein and his cabal are calling the shots. If Cashman is, well, ARod is not the most popular Yankee, and he knows that they need some young, cheap pitching. I think it's a deal that could be considered.

 

When it involves marquis players, Stein is always calling the shots.

 

His health is failing him, though, and perhaps the 5 title-less years might be enough to get him to let his GM do his job.

[stitchface]

I really want ARod to be the Cubs SS the next 5 years. I've already come to grips with losing Wood after next season. I just don't want to have to deal Ramirez.

 

I wouldn't want to give up Prior or Zambrano either. I think Prior's trade value has about bottomed out (lets hope). What the thought out there goony? Are the Yankees going to go young or are they looking for more all-stars? I guess I could live with:

 

Murton LF

Walker 2b

ARod SS

Lee 1b

Ramirez 3b

Burnitz RF

Hairston CF

Barrett C

 

or some such variety.

[SAMMYWHO]

What do you think needs to happen Vance? One of our big prospects be part of the deal. When I thought of the trade I looked at the fact that either us or the Marlins would need to sign Encarnacion because he's a free agent. Pierre is a free agent after next year. Lowell and Mota are both coming off terrible years. The only cream of the crop leaving Florida would be Castillo and in my opinion there best piece they would be getting would be Walker and he's alot cheaper than Castillo. That is where I came up with my trade and your right alot of it depends on where the Marlins payroll is projected to be and which direction do they want to go.

[goonys evil twin]

I really want ARod to be the Cubs SS the next 5 years. I've already come to grips with losing Wood after next season. I just don't want to have to deal Ramirez.

 

I wouldn't want to give up Prior or Zambrano either. I think Prior's trade value has about bottomed out (lets hope). What the thought out there goony? Are the Yankees going to go young or are they looking for more all-stars?

 

People expected a big change to more speed and defense after the 2003 WS loss to Florida, didn't happen. People expected a pretty significant move after the 2004 loss to Boston. In a way, that did happen, since pitching was acquired in great quantity. But they hardly made any lineup changes, and still relied on the same arms that failed them in the past.

 

Right now the mood is a cross between stunned silence and acceptance of the inevitable. People are not up in arms for change, but they are very frustrated, and I believe expecting a major overhaul, but not with a bunch of kids. I could see them dealing ARod without getting back name players in that deal, rather signing or trading for those names in follow up moves.

 

I think their inability to fix the problems that have been a hindrance the past couple years (no dominant pitching, poor defense, and a lack of "true yankees") may be reaching a boiling point.

[MeatampPotatoesMan]

No. A healthy Prior is worth more to us than a stud SS (or 3B).

 

Hasn't that been the problem?

 

I guess we could have the age old argument about how Prior's injuries were flukes... :?

[David]

Actually the yankees need pitching bad and a lot of fans still believe that a-rod will never be a yankee, I believe they would consider pulling a deal and getting Prior plus several other pitchers that need another team for a fresh start or trade material to other teams.

Yes, prior is a stud but what is the most wins has he had since he has been in the bigs????, now is the time to move him also

 

The answer to that question is 18, and that was in a season in which he missed over a month of starts. Not that I think wins are any kind of measure, but since you asked, I thought I would share. An 18 win season by measure of wins is pretty damn good. I don't think you trade Prior, even for Rodriguez, and you especially don't trade Prior and other players for Rodriguez.

 

I really wish you hadn't beaten me to this... It's exactly what I was thinking as I read that comment... :D

[Magnetic Curses]

why on earth would we think that arod would save this team?

 

without prior or zambrano, this pitching staff isn't anything special, the lineup certainly isn't in the same universe as the yankees', why would this help us again?

 

we need outfield help.

[David]

why on earth would we think that arod would save this team?

 

without prior or zambrano, this pitching staff isn't anything special, the lineup certainly isn't in the same universe as the yankees', why would this help us again?

 

we need outfield help.

 

Exactly.. what we need is one more starting pitcher..TWO (if not three) new outfielders who can get on base and hit for power.. and an assortment of relievers...

 

There are a variety of ways to resolve the middle infield, including leaving it as is...(be it Ronny or Nomar at SS)

 

Trading for ARod, especially while giving up the names cited here, would be like taking 3 steps forward and then two steps back...

[goonys evil twin]

why on earth would we think that arod would save this team?

 

without prior or zambrano, this pitching staff isn't anything special, the lineup certainly isn't in the same universe as the yankees', why would this help us again?

 

we need outfield help.

 

I have no interest in trading Prior or Z for ARod. But ARod is an MVP candidate playing SS. The improvement from last year's production at SS to ARod at SS would be greater than anything we've been talking about in the OF. You'd still have to get something in the OF, but ARod would change much of the existing problem.

[SAMMYWHO]

With my idea I would make Loften, yes Kenny Lofton my number one prioritie as far as signing free agents. I just don't believe that Brian Giles will play anywhere but where Marcus does or he'll just stay put. Plus I look at the Yankees and all there multi year/million dollar deals to older players and I just don't think you win that way. No matter how much you have to spend. I also wouldn't let Nomar walk if he would play in the outfield. My lineup would be,

 

Lofton CF

Castillo 2B

Arod SS

Lee 1B

Aramis 3B

Nomar LF

Murton RF

Barrett C

 

Yes, everyone is going to kill me with the rotation we would have but that offense is extremely potent. Plus Loften doesn't block Pie and eases him into the big leagues. We would still need a bullpen guy and a rotation guy like Millwood or via trade. Let me know what you think.

[vance_the_cubs_fan]

What do you think needs to happen Vance? One of our big prospects be part of the deal. When I thought of the trade I looked at the fact that either us or the Marlins would need to sign Encarnacion because he's a free agent. Pierre is a free agent after next year. Lowell and Mota are both coming off terrible years. The only cream of the crop leaving Florida would be Castillo and in my opinion there best piece they would be getting would be Walker and he's alot cheaper than Castillo. That is where I came up with my trade and your right alot of it depends on where the Marlins payroll is projected to be and which direction do they want to go.

 

First of all, I doubt the Marlins would trade Castillo and Pierre just to move Lowell. Remove Castillo from the deal and it might happen. Of course, the Cubs would not give up that much talent not to get Castilla. I proposed a deal that I felt was feasable, depending on how much you can build up Lowell's value to the Yankees.

[Magnetic Curses]

why on earth would we think that arod would save this team?

 

without prior or zambrano, this pitching staff isn't anything special, the lineup certainly isn't in the same universe as the yankees', why would this help us again?

 

we need outfield help.

 

I have no interest in trading Prior or Z for ARod. But ARod is an MVP candidate playing SS. The improvement from last year's production at SS to ARod at SS would be greater than anything we've been talking about in the OF. You'd still have to get something in the OF, but ARod would change much of the existing problem.

 

yes, but he hasn't helped the yankees go any farther than they had without him. my point is that even WITH ARod, our lineup isn't close to the yankees' and without prior or z, we're taking a huge step back. this wouldn't help us at all.

 

if the yankees wouldn't require either of those two, i'd be fine with a deal.

[goonys evil twin]

yes, but he hasn't helped the yankees go any farther than they had without him. my point is that even WITH ARod, our lineup isn't close to the yankees' and without prior or z, we're taking a huge step back. this wouldn't help us at all.

 

I don't buy the "he hasn't helped Team X win a ring, how will he help our team?" argument. A lot of that same stuff was said about Pudge in Texas.

 

What matters to me is production, and ARod's production is enormous.

[CardsFanInChiTown]

If I were a Cubs fan I'd give up Ramirez and Wood in a second for ARod. I mean with Wood's contact how much trade value does he really have? Ramirez is an excellent player on the field however he's no ARod. Plus, Ramirez isn't as durable. ARod is a top 3 (if not the best) player in baseball. That trade would be a steal for the Cubs.

[stitchface]

If I were a Cubs fan I'd give up Ramirez and Wood in a second for ARod. I mean with Wood's contact how much trade value does he really have? Ramirez is an excellent player on the field however he's no ARod. Plus, Ramirez isn't as durable. ARod is a top 3 (if not the best) player in baseball. That trade would be a steal for the Cubs.

 

Hardly. Consider the contracts. Compare runs produced by ARod and Ramirez and runs prevented by Wood. I'm not saying there isn't matter to it but to say its a steal is hyperbole. I would be ok with Murton and Burnitz at the OF corners if ARod was at SS and Ramirez at 3b.

[rawaction]

If I were a Cubs fan I'd give up Ramirez and Wood in a second for ARod. I mean with Wood's contact how much trade value does he really have? Ramirez is an excellent player on the field however he's no ARod. Plus, Ramirez isn't as durable. ARod is a top 3 (if not the best) player in baseball. That trade would be a steal for the Cubs.

 

Hardly. Consider the contracts. Compare runs produced by ARod and Ramirez and runs prevented by Wood. I'm not saying there isn't matter to it but to say its a steal is hyperbole. I would be ok with Murton and Burnitz at the OF corners if ARod was at SS and Ramirez at 3b.

 

Wouldn't be a steal, but I'd do that deal.

[CardsFanInChiTown]

If I were a Cubs fan I'd give up Ramirez and Wood in a second for ARod. I mean with Wood's contact how much trade value does he really have? Ramirez is an excellent player on the field however he's no ARod. Plus, Ramirez isn't as durable. ARod is a top 3 (if not the best) player in baseball. That trade would be a steal for the Cubs.

 

Hardly. Consider the contracts. Compare runs produced by ARod and Ramirez and runs prevented by Wood. I'm not saying there isn't matter to it but to say its a steal is hyperbole. I would be ok with Murton and Burnitz at the OF corners if ARod was at SS and Ramirez at 3b.

 

ARod @ 15-18 mil a year is a good contract. I believe Wood making about 12 mil next year. Ramirez is at 8. The Cubs would save money in the near term on this deal. A steal might have been a bit of hyperbole, but not that far off.

[CuseCubFan69]

What about Pie, Williams and Wood for ARod?

[USSoccer]

What about Pie, Williams and Wood for ARod?

 

I'd do it.