10/8 College Football

[adamb0719]

any speculation on the new top 10? I would not be suprised to see PSU make an appearance, but they would have to jump alot of teams. OSU and Tennessee and California will be out leaving room for either LSU/PSU/ND/TT/and maybe UCLA, at least in the coaches poll where they are ahead of PSU.

[TruffleShuffle]

any speculation on the new top 10?

 

1. USC

2. Texas

3. Va Tech

4. UGa

5. F$U

6. Bama

7. Miami

8. LSU

9. PSU

10. Notre Lame

 

11. Texas Tech (ohhhh so lucky)

12. UCLA

[adamb0719]

any speculation on the new top 10?

 

1. USC

2. Texas

3. Va Tech

4. UGa

5. F$U

6. Bama

7. Miami

8. LSU

9. PSU

10. Notre Lame

 

11. Texas Tech (ohhhh so lucky)

12. UCLA

 

Penn State above Notre Dame (you spelt that wrong :wink: )? I could see it happening, but there are about 500 votes between the two right now so it could be close. I think maybe in the AP they will, but not the coaches.

[shnsajax]

I have Penn State at #8 in front of LSU, its a bit of a stretch but after yesterday and seeing their defense for the first time I think they deserve to jump in front of a good 1 loss team. Texas gets some seperation between them and VT. UCLA should be #10, maybe even #9 I just can't see them making a 10+ jump in the rankings.

 

1 USC

2 Texas

3 VT

4 Georgia

5 FSU

6 Bama

7 Miami

8 Penn St.

9 LSU

10 Notre Dame

11 Flroida

12 Texas Tech

13 UCLA

[TruffleShuffle]

Penn State above Notre Dame (you spelt that wrong :wink: )? I could see it happening, but there are about 500 votes between the two right now so it could be close. I think maybe in the AP they will, but not the coaches.

 

 

I was just judging on this weekend's events. Minnesota's win at the Big House makes PSU's blowout of the Gophers look even better, and makes ND's win over the Wolverines less impressive. PSU's win over Northwestern looks better after the Wildcats beat an undefeated Wisconsin team yesterday. The ND wins versus Pitt and Washington are wins over garbage teams, and the win over Purdont looks less impressive since the Boilermakers got thoroughly trashed by Iowa at home yesterday. And the obvious difference, ND has a loss and PSU doesn't.

 

I guess we will get a better view of where they stand when PSU travels to Michigan this week. That will be a very, very tough game for PSU... so much emotional energy went into beating Ohio State, and Michigan will likely be very angry after losing to the Gophers.

[TruffleShuffle]

I have Penn State at #8 in front of LSU, its a bit of a stretch but after yesterday and seeing their defense for the first time I think they deserve to jump in front of a good 1 loss team.

 

I agree with that, since LSU lost at home to Tennessee, which now has two losses... but, my top 12 was based on what I think will happen, not what I think the rankings should be. I would love to see Texas play USC in the Rose Bowl... I think Texas is outstanding. Va Tech is also very, very good this year and may well run the table, and then get screwed out of a shot at the national championship.

 

Of course, PSU in the Rose Bowl would be just fine with me, but I don't see all but 1 of the undefeated teams ahead of them losing.

[adamb0719]

Penn State above Notre Dame (you spelt that wrong :wink: )? I could see it happening, but there are about 500 votes between the two right now so it could be close. I think maybe in the AP they will, but not the coaches.

 

 

I was just judging on this weekend's events. Minnesota's win at the Big House makes PSU's blowout of the Gophers look even better, and makes ND's win over the Wolverines less impressive. PSU's win over Northwestern looks better after the Wildcats beat an undefeated Wisconsin team yesterday. The ND wins versus Pitt and Washington are wins over garbage teams, and the win over Purdont looks less impressive since the Boilermakers got thoroughly trashed by Iowa at home yesterday. And the obvious difference, ND has a loss and PSU doesn't.

 

I guess we will get a better view of where they stand when PSU travels to Michigan this week. That will be a very, very tough game for PSU... so much emotional energy went into beating Ohio State, and Michigan will likely be very angry after losing to the Gophers.

 

Fair analysis. I think the ND's schedule looks a little weaker every week. It doesn't help that the Big 10 keeps beating up on each other.

USA Today Poll just came out

Week 7 USA Today Poll

 

1. USC (57) 5-0 1,544

2. Texas (4) 5-0 1,488

3. Virginia Tech (1) 6-0 1,425

4. Georgia 5-0 1,348

5. Florida State 5-0 1,290

6. Miami 4-1 1,187

7. Alabama 5-0 1,156

8. LSU 3-1 1,049

9. Notre Dame 4-1 998

10. Penn State 6-0 942

11. Texas Tech 5-0 918

12. UCLA 5-0 862

13. Florida 5-1 840

14. Boston College 5-1 657

15. Ohio State 3-2 572

16. California 5-1 563

17. Michigan State 4-1 540

18. Tennessee 3-2 473

19. Louisville 4-1 460

20. Auburn 4-1 444

21. Oregon 5-1 311

22. Minnesota 5-1 303

23. Wisconsin 5-1 293

24. Colorado 4-1 184

25. West Virginia 5-1 91

 

VT closes the gap between them and Texas! ND # 9!

[adamb0719]

Here is the AP poll

 

 

1. USC (58 ) 5-0 1,618

2. Texas (7) 5-0 1,565

3. Virginia Tech 6-0 1,493

4. Florida State 5-0 1,393

5. Georgia 5-0 1,389

6. Alabama 5-0 1,244

7. Miami 4-1 1,205

8. Penn State 6-0 1,096

9. Notre Dame 4-1 1,058

10. LSU 3-1 1,057

11. Florida 5-1 935

12. UCLA 5-0 889

13. Texas Tech 5-0 794

14. Boston College 5-1 656

15. Ohio State 3-2 641

16. Michigan State 4-1 581

17. Tennessee 3-2 538

18. California 5-1 537

19. Louisville 4-1 461

20. Oregon 5-1 456

21. Auburn 4-1 441

22. Minnesota 5-1 321

23. Wisconsin 5-1 241

24. Colorado 4-1 222

25. TCU 5-1 181

 

PSU at #8, impressive.

[Andy]

Penn State above Notre Dame (you spelt that wrong :wink: )? I could see it happening, but there are about 500 votes between the two right now so it could be close. I think maybe in the AP they will, but not the coaches.

 

 

I was just judging on this weekend's events. Minnesota's win at the Big House makes PSU's blowout of the Gophers look even better, and makes ND's win over the Wolverines less impressive. PSU's win over Northwestern looks better after the Wildcats beat an undefeated Wisconsin team yesterday. The ND wins versus Pitt and Washington are wins over garbage teams, and the win over Purdont looks less impressive since the Boilermakers got thoroughly trashed by Iowa at home yesterday. And the obvious difference, ND has a loss and PSU doesn't.

 

I guess we will get a better view of where they stand when PSU travels to Michigan this week. That will be a very, very tough game for PSU... so much emotional energy went into beating Ohio State, and Michigan will likely be very angry after losing to the Gophers.

 

Fair analysis. I think the ND's schedule looks a little weaker every week. It doesn't help that the Big 10 keeps beating up on each other.

USA Today Poll just came out

Week 7 USA Today Poll

 

1. USC (57) 5-0 1,544

2. Texas (4) 5-0 1,488

3. Virginia Tech (1) 6-0 1,425

4. Georgia 5-0 1,348

5. Florida State 5-0 1,290

6. Miami 4-1 1,187

7. Alabama 5-0 1,156

8. LSU 3-1 1,049

9. Notre Dame 4-1 998

10. Penn State 6-0 942

11. Texas Tech 5-0 918

12. UCLA 5-0 862

13. Florida 5-1 840

14. Boston College 5-1 657

15. Ohio State 3-2 572

16. California 5-1 563

17. Michigan State 4-1 540

18. Tennessee 3-2 473

19. Louisville 4-1 460

20. Auburn 4-1 444

21. Oregon 5-1 311

22. Minnesota 5-1 303

23. Wisconsin 5-1 293

24. Colorado 4-1 184

25. West Virginia 5-1 91

 

VT closes the gap between them and Texas! ND # 9!

People were calling Pitt and Michigan overrated teams as soon as ND beat them, and ever since they have made excuses for every ND win, so I'm not surprised. I'd be shocked if even one presser picks ND to beat the Trojans next week even though USC has looked mediocre in their last three first halves and ND has thoroughly dominated all their opponents except for the Spartans.

[CaliforniaRaisin]

UCLA at 12? Boo!

[CaliforniaRaisin]

Penn State above Notre Dame (you spelt that wrong :wink: )? I could see it happening, but there are about 500 votes between the two right now so it could be close. I think maybe in the AP they will, but not the coaches.

 

 

I was just judging on this weekend's events. Minnesota's win at the Big House makes PSU's blowout of the Gophers look even better, and makes ND's win over the Wolverines less impressive. PSU's win over Northwestern looks better after the Wildcats beat an undefeated Wisconsin team yesterday. The ND wins versus Pitt and Washington are wins over garbage teams, and the win over Purdont looks less impressive since the Boilermakers got thoroughly trashed by Iowa at home yesterday. And the obvious difference, ND has a loss and PSU doesn't.

 

I guess we will get a better view of where they stand when PSU travels to Michigan this week. That will be a very, very tough game for PSU... so much emotional energy went into beating Ohio State, and Michigan will likely be very angry after losing to the Gophers.

 

Fair analysis. I think the ND's schedule looks a little weaker every week. It doesn't help that the Big 10 keeps beating up on each other.

USA Today Poll just came out

Week 7 USA Today Poll

 

1. USC (57) 5-0 1,544

2. Texas (4) 5-0 1,488

3. Virginia Tech (1) 6-0 1,425

4. Georgia 5-0 1,348

5. Florida State 5-0 1,290

6. Miami 4-1 1,187

7. Alabama 5-0 1,156

8. LSU 3-1 1,049

9. Notre Dame 4-1 998

10. Penn State 6-0 942

11. Texas Tech 5-0 918

12. UCLA 5-0 862

13. Florida 5-1 840

14. Boston College 5-1 657

15. Ohio State 3-2 572

16. California 5-1 563

17. Michigan State 4-1 540

18. Tennessee 3-2 473

19. Louisville 4-1 460

20. Auburn 4-1 444

21. Oregon 5-1 311

22. Minnesota 5-1 303

23. Wisconsin 5-1 293

24. Colorado 4-1 184

25. West Virginia 5-1 91

 

VT closes the gap between them and Texas! ND # 9!

People were calling Pitt and Michigan overrated teams as soon as ND beat them, and ever since they have made excuses for every ND win, so I'm not surprised. I'd be shocked if even one presser picks ND to beat the Trojans next week even though USC has looked mediocre in their last three first halves and ND has thoroughly dominated all their opponents except for the Spartans.

 

Who cares what the press thinks? The press is going to predict USC wins every game until they actually lose one - it's the safe bet. Yes, even in a game in Notre Dame against a top-10 Notre Dame.

[Transmogrified Tiger]

People were calling Pitt and Michigan overrated teams as soon as ND beat them, and ever since they have made excuses for every ND win, so I'm not surprised. I'd be shocked if even one presser picks ND to beat the Trojans next week even though USC has looked mediocre in their last three first halves and ND has thoroughly dominated all their opponents except for the Spartans.

 

I don't think you can argue with calling those teams overrated since Pitt, Michigan, and Purdue all have lost 2 games aside from losing to ND. Heck, Michigan has the best record of ND wins, and they're just .500.

 

Also, I think that USC is going to stomp on Notre Dame. USC seems to be playing to the level of their opponents, and I feel that they're going to find another level with all the people saying that this is a possible upset.

[adamb0719]

Penn State above Notre Dame (you spelt that wrong :wink: )? I could see it happening, but there are about 500 votes between the two right now so it could be close. I think maybe in the AP they will, but not the coaches.

 

 

I was just judging on this weekend's events. Minnesota's win at the Big House makes PSU's blowout of the Gophers look even better, and makes ND's win over the Wolverines less impressive. PSU's win over Northwestern looks better after the Wildcats beat an undefeated Wisconsin team yesterday. The ND wins versus Pitt and Washington are wins over garbage teams, and the win over Purdont looks less impressive since the Boilermakers got thoroughly trashed by Iowa at home yesterday. And the obvious difference, ND has a loss and PSU doesn't.

 

I guess we will get a better view of where they stand when PSU travels to Michigan this week. That will be a very, very tough game for PSU... so much emotional energy went into beating Ohio State, and Michigan will likely be very angry after losing to the Gophers.

 

Fair analysis. I think the ND's schedule looks a little weaker every week. It doesn't help that the Big 10 keeps beating up on each other.

USA Today Poll just came out

Week 7 USA Today Poll

 

1. USC (57) 5-0 1,544

2. Texas (4) 5-0 1,488

3. Virginia Tech (1) 6-0 1,425

4. Georgia 5-0 1,348

5. Florida State 5-0 1,290

6. Miami 4-1 1,187

7. Alabama 5-0 1,156

8. LSU 3-1 1,049

9. Notre Dame 4-1 998

10. Penn State 6-0 942

11. Texas Tech 5-0 918

12. UCLA 5-0 862

13. Florida 5-1 840

14. Boston College 5-1 657

15. Ohio State 3-2 572

16. California 5-1 563

17. Michigan State 4-1 540

18. Tennessee 3-2 473

19. Louisville 4-1 460

20. Auburn 4-1 444

21. Oregon 5-1 311

22. Minnesota 5-1 303

23. Wisconsin 5-1 293

24. Colorado 4-1 184

25. West Virginia 5-1 91

 

VT closes the gap between them and Texas! ND # 9!

People were calling Pitt and Michigan overrated teams as soon as ND beat them, and ever since they have made excuses for every ND win, so I'm not surprised. I'd be shocked if even one presser picks ND to beat the Trojans next week even though USC has looked mediocre in their last three first halves and ND has thoroughly dominated all their opponents except for the Spartans.

 

Pitt and UM were overrated. There is no way around that. No way UM should have been #3. ND did not dominate them either, that was a close game that could have gone either way. I am a die-hard ND team, and did not agree that they were overrated at first, but after 6 weeks, it is pretty obvious that they were.

 

USC is favored by 13 points and have much more talent than ND. They should win. I don't think they will, but they should. True everyone does make an excuse for the ND wins, but I am used to that by now. For everyone that loves ND there is someone who hates them. It has been like that my whole life. Herbstreit may pick them to win though, and Lou already said they would. Maybe if ND beats USC, then some of the criticism will finally go away. There is only one way to silence those who still don't believe the Irish are for real, and that is on the field.

[Jon]

Saying Pitt was overrated is like saying Wanny isn't quite the best coach in the country. They've beaten Youngstown State at home and Cincy at home with losses to Notre Dame, Ohio, Nebraska, and Rutgers.

 

That win shouldn't mean anything for Notre Dame.

[adamb0719]

Saying Pitt was overrated is like saying Wanny isn't quite the best coach in the country. They've beaten Youngstown State at home and Cincy at home with losses to Notre Dame, Ohio, Nebraska, and Rutgers.

 

That win shouldn't mean anything for Notre Dame.

 

Maybe Pitt was so upset by getting blown away by ND at home, in a primetime slot, that thay lost all confidence. They lost all moral and just don't believe in themselves anymore. Not only did they lose the football game but they lost their spirit. Same thing with Michigan, suffering their first loss at home to ND, and getting ripped by all the media. They just haven't been the same since.

 

That is quite a reach, and I am not being serious when I say that, but you never know... :wink:

[Andy]

I know that now, but the press was saying Pitt was overrated by halftime of ND's win over them. Of course Disney gainfully employs Mark May despite his disastrous prediction that the Irish would start 0-6.

 

I think ND can beat USC...I have no clue whether they will but I will say that Weis has overwhelmed all the defenses except for UM so far...not that this means much, but I think he's got something special planned this week.

[adamb0719]

I know that now, but the press was saying Pitt was overrated by halftime of ND's win over them. Of course Disney gainfully employs Mark May despite his disastrous prediction that the Irish would start 0-6.

 

I think ND can beat USC...I have no clue whether they will but I will say that Weis has overwhelmed all the defenses except for UM so far...not that this means much, but I think he's got something special planned this week.

 

I hate Mark May.

ND will win.

[TruffleShuffle]

Well, the weekend turned out even better for PSU than just the result of the game. One fairly highly rated recruit committed shortly after the game, and one of the top OL in the country attended the game and said afterwards that PSU is up on top of his list now:

 

“It was overwhelming, it's hard to put it in words,” Logan-El said. “You have the feelings inside, but you can't get out the words. While those guys wanted it so bad, they wanted it more than Ohio State. Ohio State knew they were good, I think they thought the game was going to come with them. You hear about Penn State fans and they're so dedicated and how it feels to be in front of 100,000 people and everyone knows who you are. Within 10 minutes of whenI was there, everyone knew I was there. That blew me away. People were asking for autographs. They were chanting my name, 'we want Logan-El' and 'who's number one, Logan-El.' That was overwhelming. I'm going to keep my recruiting process going. Penn State is at the top of my list at this point.”

 

Some people were angry at PSU for canceling 4 official visits for this weekend, but it was the right move. Since it was a night game, all day Saturday was taken up by the Ohio State game. Really, they'd only have a couple of hours on Sunday to talk with the recruit and show them around campus before they'd have to leave and head back home. Still, over 30 recruits made unofficial visits and were on the sidelines during the game, and I don't think can underestimate what a game like that can do for recruiting. Close game, national TV, beating a national powerhouse, with 110,000 fans behind you (OK maybe like 105,000, there were some Buckeye fans there). I had chills, and I was up in the stands... I can't imagine how it felt to a 17 or 18 year old high school senior standing and looking up, hearing the roar of the crowd. Hopefully the effects of that game will translate not only into a great rest of this year, but also a great recruiting class that will keep PSU good for years to come.

[adamb0719]

Well, the weekend turned out even better for PSU than just the result of the game. One fairly highly rated recruit committed shortly after the game, and one of the top OL in the country attended the game and said afterwards that PSU is up on top of his list now:

 

“It was overwhelming, it's hard to put it in words,” Logan-El said. “You have the feelings inside, but you can't get out the words. While those guys wanted it so bad, they wanted it more than Ohio State. Ohio State knew they were good, I think they thought the game was going to come with them. You hear about Penn State fans and they're so dedicated and how it feels to be in front of 100,000 people and everyone knows who you are. Within 10 minutes of whenI was there, everyone knew I was there. That blew me away. People were asking for autographs. They were chanting my name, 'we want Logan-El' and 'who's number one, Logan-El.' That was overwhelming. I'm going to keep my recruiting process going. Penn State is at the top of my list at this point.”

 

Some people were angry at PSU for canceling 4 official visits for this weekend, but it was the right move. Since it was a night game, all day Saturday was taken up by the Ohio State game. Really, they'd only have a couple of hours on Sunday to talk with the recruit and show them around campus before they'd have to leave and head back home. Still, over 30 recruits made unofficial visits and were on the sidelines during the game, and I don't think can underestimate what a game like that can do for recruiting. Close game, national TV, beating a national powerhouse, with 110,000 fans behind you (OK maybe like 105,000, there were some Buckeye fans there). I had chills, and I was up in the stands... I can't imagine how it felt to a 17 or 18 year old high school senior standing and looking up, hearing the roar of the crowd. Hopefully the effects of that game will translate not only into a great rest of this year, but also a great recruiting class that will keep PSU good for years to come.

 

Logan-El is the third ranked guard right now. Not too shabby. However he already gave a soft verbal to Maryland, and still has to visit Florida and Tennessee. If he is moving PSU to the top of his list after already verbaling to Maryland, and he still has more visits I would not put a lot of stock into what he says.

 

I see what you are saying about the cancellation of the visits but I thought that was pretty bad for them to do. Why cancel four visits on the biggest home weekend of the year, but still allow others to come unofficially? It seemed to me that if you are trying to sell your football program, why not bring them in for a huge game such as what they had this weekend. However I hope to see PSU get some recruits and build a good program up again. Just get rid of JoePa. :wink:

[Andy]

Well, the weekend turned out even better for PSU than just the result of the game. One fairly highly rated recruit committed shortly after the game, and one of the top OL in the country attended the game and said afterwards that PSU is up on top of his list now:

 

“It was overwhelming, it's hard to put it in words,” Logan-El said. “You have the feelings inside, but you can't get out the words. While those guys wanted it so bad, they wanted it more than Ohio State. Ohio State knew they were good, I think they thought the game was going to come with them. You hear about Penn State fans and they're so dedicated and how it feels to be in front of 100,000 people and everyone knows who you are. Within 10 minutes of whenI was there, everyone knew I was there. That blew me away. People were asking for autographs. They were chanting my name, 'we want Logan-El' and 'who's number one, Logan-El.' That was overwhelming. I'm going to keep my recruiting process going. Penn State is at the top of my list at this point.”

 

Some people were angry at PSU for canceling 4 official visits for this weekend, but it was the right move. Since it was a night game, all day Saturday was taken up by the Ohio State game. Really, they'd only have a couple of hours on Sunday to talk with the recruit and show them around campus before they'd have to leave and head back home. Still, over 30 recruits made unofficial visits and were on the sidelines during the game, and I don't think can underestimate what a game like that can do for recruiting. Close game, national TV, beating a national powerhouse, with 110,000 fans behind you (OK maybe like 105,000, there were some Buckeye fans there). I had chills, and I was up in the stands... I can't imagine how it felt to a 17 or 18 year old high school senior standing and looking up, hearing the roar of the crowd. Hopefully the effects of that game will translate not only into a great rest of this year, but also a great recruiting class that will keep PSU good for years to come.

 

Logan-El is the third ranked guard right now. Not too shabby. However he already gave a soft verbal to Maryland, and still has to visit Florida and Tennessee. If he is moving PSU to the top of his list after already verbaling to Maryland, and he still has more visits I would not put a lot of stock into what he says.

 

I see what you are saying about the cancellation of the visits but I thought that was pretty bad for them to do. Why cancel four visits on the biggest home weekend of the year, but still allow others to come unofficially? It seemed to me that if you are trying to sell your football program, why not bring them in for a huge game such as what they had this weekend. However I hope to see PSU get some recruits and build a good program up again. Just get rid of JoePa. :wink:

JoePa is no longer the problem. The gripe was that he wasn't giving young kids a chance. But now the top three wide receivers on the team are all freshmen. Paterno or not, I think the Nittany Lions tally a championship by the end of the 2007 season.

[adamb0719]

JoePa is no longer the problem. The gripe was that he wasn't giving young kids a chance. But now the top three wide receivers on the team are all freshmen. Paterno or not, I think the Nittany Lions tally a championship by the end of the 2007 season

JoePa is not a problem with that school, but he is still a pompus a$$. Come on, as a ND fan how can you respect that man? He degrades ND any chance he gets, when his players get arrested for drunk driving he says it is not that big of a deal, and they didn't do anything that was really wrong, he gets in fistfights with ND alum in limo's after bashing the school, the whole Dan O'Conner thing (I believe that was his name) and numerous other things that are just wrong for a coach to do IMO. He is a good coach there is no denying that, but as far as a person I have no respect for him.

[CuseCubFan69]

I do not understand why ND is ranked ahead of Penn State in any poll. Voters can't admit they underrated Penn State so they can only move them so far up?

[TruffleShuffle]

JoePa is no longer the problem. The gripe was that he wasn't giving young kids a chance. But now the top three wide receivers on the team are all freshmen. Paterno or not, I think the Nittany Lions tally a championship by the end of the 2007 season

JoePa is not a problem with that school, but he is still a pompus a$$. Come on, as a ND fan how can you respect that man? He degrades ND any chance he gets, when his players get arrested for drunk driving he says it is not that big of a deal, and they didn't do anything that was really wrong, he gets in fistfights with ND alum in limo's after bashing the school, the whole Dan O'Conner thing (I believe that was his name) and numerous other things that are just wrong for a coach to do IMO. He is a good coach there is no denying that, but as far as a person I have no respect for him.

 

Wow, that is about the opposite of everything I've ever heard said about Joe Paterno.

[shnsajax]

I know that now, but the press was saying Pitt was overrated by halftime of ND's win over them. Of course Disney gainfully employs Mark May despite his disastrous prediction that the Irish would start 0-6.

 

I think ND can beat USC...I have no clue whether they will but I will say that Weis has overwhelmed all the defenses except for UM so far...not that this means much, but I think he's got something special planned this week.

 

I hate Mark May.

ND will win.

 

Mark May sat next to Trev Alberts for a couple of years. That made May look like a genius.

[CuseCubFan69]

I know that now, but the press was saying Pitt was overrated by halftime of ND's win over them. Of course Disney gainfully employs Mark May despite his disastrous prediction that the Irish would start 0-6.

 

I think ND can beat USC...I have no clue whether they will but I will say that Weis has overwhelmed all the defenses except for UM so far...not that this means much, but I think he's got something special planned this week.

 

I hate Mark May.

ND will win.

 

Mark May sat next to Trev Alberts for a couple of years. That made May look like a genius.

 

That was good! I wonder how much work these guys actually put into their jobs or do they just show up and yap about whatever comes into their little minds?